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 #1805179


Senshokukiba
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 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

We’ve banned bull baiting and dog fighting, yet we still allow feral hog hunting with dogs. Why is this?

I don’t get how people can look at the pictures below and find this typing of hunting fun and, or enjoyable.


























07/22/08  02:44pm

 #1805277


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805179


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

It sure looks like it should be banned



07/22/08  04:16pm

 #1805364


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805179


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

That’s very sad . Where is this legal?



07/22/08  05:37pm

 #1805389


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  Message To: Skullkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1805364


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

It is quite sad on the victimised animal

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That’s very sad . Where is this legal?



Some place’s in Europa



07/22/08  05:55pm

 #1805438


Senshokukiba
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  Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 1805389


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

It’s legal in many states, including Texas. It’s become more popular since Texas’s problem with feral hogs. They’ve been wrecking crops, killing livestock, and harassing other animals. People usually support it because it’s exciting and thrilling to them. Some other states that allow this type of hunting are Ohio, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and even Florida. Those are just a few.



07/22/08  06:33pm

 #1805477


Ghastly
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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805438


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

Have to admitt it is sad but quite intresting to watch in an awfully sick and twisted way



07/22/08  07:05pm

 #1805501


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805179


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

very sad but it’s one of those hunting forms like trapping it’s a very sad idea but it’s legal.



07/22/08  07:30pm

 #1805502


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  Message To: No_glory   In reference to Message Id: 1805501


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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very sad but it’s one of those hunting forms like trapping it’s a very sad idea but it’s legal.



You mean when you start the dog off?
Or using traps like bear traps?



07/22/08  07:31pm

 #1805530


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  Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 1805502


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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You mean when you start the dog off?
Or using traps like bear traps?



Yes, like beaver,bear,wolf and coyote traps



07/22/08  07:52pm

 #1805535


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  Message To: No_glory   In reference to Message Id: 1805530


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

Oh right i thought you were on about starts
They are harsh but sometimes called?



07/22/08  07:55pm

 #1805596


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  Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 1805535


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

I see it as a form of enrichment. Like......its having them go back to there roots and hunt like wolves. I guess....



07/22/08  08:47pm

 #1805605


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  Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 1805389


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

I have been reading up on the wild hog hunting. Looks like there are places in the US like Florida and Texas that it is legal . From what I have read it is mainly people getting rid of wild hogs on their farm land or grazing land .

Now I know this is going to start off anther nasty debate but here goes . I do not see any thing wrong with killing a wild bore if it is damaging your farm land or killing your live stock . They can be very mean and dangerous animals . Just like I do not see anything wrong with killing a wolf ,a bear , a coyote or mountain lion if it is killing your live stock . But I would not want it to be done for sport .I would not want any animal to suffer a long death . I think shooting it would be more humane than using dogs . That seems cruel to me .

Just like I have no problem with trapping an animal on your property if you are going to eat it or if it is causing some damage . But with either a live trap or a trap that will kill it quickly not some thing like a leg hold trap .

I also see the need for hunting of certain animals to avoid over population which can lead to disease and starvation but only in a humane way .

This maybe the case with the wild bores . Pigs have many babies so there maybe a large population of wild pigs in some states . There maybe a need to hunt them and kill them to actually be humane to the wild pigs . To prevent starvation and disease .It jut seem like shooting them could be faster and more humane to me .



07/22/08  08:55pm

 #1805656


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  Message To: Skullkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1805605


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

i have friends that hunt with their dogs. its not something id do but it is interesting. And every pig their dogs kill they take home and feed their dogs. nothing is wasted.


iv only read about it cant really look at graphic pix only because im an animal lover and think the piggies are cute! lol



07/22/08  09:41pm

 #1805670


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  Message To: TurtleBites   In reference to Message Id: 1805656


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

The Native American way is to use evreything from the animal and to give back to the earth . To respect all life .



07/22/08  09:53pm

 #1805727


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  Message To: Skullkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1805605


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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I do not see any thing wrong with killing a wild bore if it is damaging your farm land or killing your live stock . They can be very mean and dangerous animals . Just like I do not see anything wrong with killing a wolf ,a bear , a coyote or mountain lion if it is killing your live stock .


I don’t either, so long as the animal’s taken down humanely.

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But I would not want it to be done for sport .I would not want any animal to suffer a long death . I think shooting it would be more humane than using dogs . That seems cruel to me .


I totally agree.



07/22/08  10:51pm

 #1805731


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  Message To: Breeder   In reference to Message Id: 1805596


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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I see it as a form of enrichment. Like......its having them go back to there roots and hunt like wolves. I guess....



You think that letting a dog tear apart a hog is enrichment? That’s kind of sick.





07/22/08  10:53pm

 #1805733


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805727


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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If you’re like most parents planning a weekend outing for your family, you might take your children camping, to an amusement park or a baseball game.

Not so for many parents in rural Louisiana. Or Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, and a handful of other states where feral pigs roam.

A weekend highlight for some families in these areas is the so-called "hog dog rodeo." If you miss the homemade tin signs—"Hog Dog Rodeo Tonight! Turn here"—posted on trees along dirt roads, you can still find one of these events. Just listen for the squeals of terror and pain from the pigs and cheers from the audience of parents and children.

Hog dogging, hawg dawgin’, hog baiting, hog dog "rodeos": They’re all terms for a bloodsport known as hog dog fighting. An owner leads his trained pit bull into an enclosed pen. She lunges and pulls so hard on the leash that she soon stands erect on her hind legs, her face fixed in a snarl. Her guttural growl erases any doubt that she is unsure of her purpose.

At the other end of the ring, the "handler" shoves a feral pig, or hog, through a chute into the pen. He will use a cattle prod if the hog, who has faced these dogs before, hesitates. And just in case the hog had any notion of trying to defend himself, the handler has already taken the precaution of removing his tusks with bolt cutters.

The pit bull’s owner removes her leash. Before you can count to three-one-thousand, the dog tackles the hog in a cloud of dust. Her jaws tear into the hog’s flesh, maybe ripping his snout, tail, or an ear. The hog expresses his pain and fear through loud squeals that echo off the pen’s tin walls. The crowd is pleased; the dog pins the hog to the ground in a mere seven seconds. As with a wrestling pin, the mandatory three seconds elapse, and the operator declares the dog victorious. Adults and children cheer for the fast, powerful dog.

However, the dog’s jaws remain attached to the hog’s flesh. After what must seem like an eternity to the hog, people casually make their way over to end the match. If the hog struggles, the handler may give him a sharp boot to the head, then dig his heel into the hog’s chest to still him. He then uses a long, wooden blade called a breakstick to pry the dog’s jaws from the hog. It can take up to a minute to release the dog’s grip while the hog continues to writhe in agony and terror.

After the proud owner leads his dog away, the handler may pour apple vinegar into the hog’s wounds. The vinegar supposedly helps the wounds develop scabs so that the hog can be mauled again in a few days.

If enough children attend the hog dog fight, the operator will encourage a game of "catch the pig." In this "kiddie-friendly" game, the handler tapes the hog’s snout closed and encourages children to chase the terrified animal around the pen. At one event, secretly videotaped by Alabama’s NBC-15 station, the announcer remarked that the hog suffered a broken leg, something that failed to dissuade the children from trying to tackle the pathetic, hobbled animal.

At the end of the night, the organizer tallies his profits from admission and dog entry fees. And the owners with the fastest dogs leave with trophies and hundreds of dollars in prize money.



07/22/08  10:55pm

 #1805735


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805727


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

Quote:

If you’re like most parents planning a weekend outing for your family, you might take your children camping, to an amusement park or a baseball game.

Not so for many parents in rural Louisiana. Or Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, and a handful of other states where feral pigs roam.

A weekend highlight for some families in these areas is the so-called "hog dog rodeo." If you miss the homemade tin signs—"Hog Dog Rodeo Tonight! Turn here"—posted on trees along dirt roads, you can still find one of these events. Just listen for the squeals of terror and pain from the pigs and cheers from the audience of parents and children.

Hog dogging, hawg dawgin’, hog baiting, hog dog "rodeos": They’re all terms for a bloodsport known as hog dog fighting. An owner leads his trained pit bull into an enclosed pen. She lunges and pulls so hard on the leash that she soon stands erect on her hind legs, her face fixed in a snarl. Her guttural growl erases any doubt that she is unsure of her purpose.

At the other end of the ring, the "handler" shoves a feral pig, or hog, through a chute into the pen. He will use a cattle prod if the hog, who has faced these dogs before, hesitates. And just in case the hog had any notion of trying to defend himself, the handler has already taken the precaution of removing his tusks with bolt cutters.

The pit bull’s owner removes her leash. Before you can count to three-one-thousand, the dog tackles the hog in a cloud of dust. Her jaws tear into the hog’s flesh, maybe ripping his snout, tail, or an ear. The hog expresses his pain and fear through loud squeals that echo off the pen’s tin walls. The crowd is pleased; the dog pins the hog to the ground in a mere seven seconds. As with a wrestling pin, the mandatory three seconds elapse, and the operator declares the dog victorious. Adults and children cheer for the fast, powerful dog.

However, the dog’s jaws remain attached to the hog’s flesh. After what must seem like an eternity to the hog, people casually make their way over to end the match. If the hog struggles, the handler may give him a sharp boot to the head, then dig his heel into the hog’s chest to still him. He then uses a long, wooden blade called a breakstick to pry the dog’s jaws from the hog. It can take up to a minute to release the dog’s grip while the hog continues to writhe in agony and terror.

After the proud owner leads his dog away, the handler may pour apple vinegar into the hog’s wounds. The vinegar supposedly helps the wounds develop scabs so that the hog can be mauled again in a few days.

If enough children attend the hog dog fight, the operator will encourage a game of "catch the pig." In this "kiddie-friendly" game, the handler tapes the hog’s snout closed and encourages children to chase the terrified animal around the pen. At one event, secretly videotaped by Alabama’s NBC-15 station, the announcer remarked that the hog suffered a broken leg, something that failed to dissuade the children from trying to tackle the pathetic, hobbled animal.

At the end of the night, the organizer tallies his profits from admission and dog entry fees. And the owners with the fastest dogs leave with trophies and hundreds of dollars in prize money.



07/22/08  10:56pm

 #1805743


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805733


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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The pit bull’s owner removes her leash



I don’t like this statement. I do not deny that some of those pics are pits or pit mixes but most are not. I also see a golden retriever, and at least two labs, and a Australian Shepard.

Other then that I would have to say it sounds very much like dog fighting and should be out lawed as well. I can KIND of understand the feral wild pigs being hunted but to place a pig in a ring? That is just cruel.

Randi



07/22/08  11:02pm

 #1805836


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  Message To: Barker   In reference to Message Id: 1805743


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

a lot of different breeds are used for hog hunting (as you can see from the pix) not just pits. i bet mine would be terrified of a big wild hog..lol heck my female Luna is afraid of the ironing board, and Ox is afraid to go up the stairs alone. silly babies



07/23/08  01:43am

 #1806561


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  Message To: TurtleBites   In reference to Message Id: 1805836


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

Well i remember watching Bullmastiff pups being trained up
They were 6month old and was 6 of them
4 of them where rather good at it they didn’t hurt the animal just held it down in position
1 of them just wanted to eat the poo poo’s on the ground and bark at the boar
And well the 6th one WHOA she beat the boys at the boar baiting she was deadly
There was 8 of us trying to get her off this boar in the padock (cruel i know the pig was fenced in)
She had her mouth shut tight on its right ear and the stupid people were tugging on her leash, 2 people on each leg lifting her up and pulling her back when most of us where screaming and/or shouting pry her mouth open which they never needless to say with the boar screeching that loudly you couldn’t hear yourself not others let alone you thinking then the poor boars ear came tearing off still in the she-bullmastiffs mouth poor pig fell too the floor
That was enough to put me off watching for life evan though i went too help my mate out there was clean up’s and well we just thought a little peek wont do much harm and well let alone do hunting i couldn’t ever do that never evan wanted to see a show but hey i did



07/23/08  06:55pm

 #1820024


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  Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 1805731


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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You think that letting a dog tear apart a hog is enrichment? That’s kind of sick.




What do you think dogs did before they were domesticated, look at wolves, very similar to dogs



08/04/08  11:19pm

 #1820482


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  Message To: Scott Young   In reference to Message Id: 1820024


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

If you think about it, their actually putting their dogs in danger because those hogs could very easily rip those pups to pieces.



08/05/08  12:29pm

 #1820494


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  Message To: Scott Young   In reference to Message Id: 1820024


 Why is it still legal to hunt hogs with dogs?

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You think that letting a dog tear apart a hog is enrichment? That’s kind of sick.


The proper way to hunt boars with dogs is with the dog cornering the boar and then the owner shoots the boar. There are some owners who let the dogs attack the boar. Sometimes it is more humane one way and then other times it is more humane another way. Thats how I see it.



08/05/08  12:42pm


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