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 #2067186


Ghastly
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 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

What is YOUR opinion on smacking a dog?
I know it can be a sensitive topic to dog owners & i have not started thisfor people to have a arguement with eachother but to see eachothers point of view on this subject

this subject does not included dog beating but smacks on there bum or on there face (dependswhere you smack your dog if you do)

i personally have no problem with smackinga dog on his/her bum when he/shedoes wrong
my very first dog Sacha a DobermannRottweiler mix got smacked when she done wrong it never made her show aggression nor did she cower to me or my family but sheknew when shedone wrong as she never attempted to do the bad thing again
were as my family dog Cassie a chocolate Labrador very well behaved but if she does something wrong she gets a loud AHAH but sometimes trys to repeat thebadthing

Obviously i dont have a problem smacking a dog aslong as it isnt in a punch nor kick way or as i have seen people do hit there dog with a nylon/leather/chain leash but a gentle yet firm smack

So what are your opinion on this topic?
Please hear eachother out and try and not argue andjust try to respect eachothers opinions as we are all friends here:)



09/03/09  03:03pm

 #2067242


FutureVet123
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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2067186


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I don’t necessarily agree with it, personally. I am in no way saying that you or anyone else who smacks their dog is a bad owner or trainer by any means. Obviously your dogs are well behaved, so this method works for you. HOWEVER, from my stand point, when I had my dog, I took the leadership role as being that I would guide her, not FORCE her. I don’t believe in punishment, only correction. I read a report that a professional dog trainer had written about how dog’s memories are different than ours. Even if you smack them right after they do the bad thing, they are unable to associate between the punishment and the thing they did wrong. I think that a strong leader leads with their voice, not their hands.
As a child, and even now, my parents smack me across the face when I am disobedient or talk back, and I have had the crap beat out of me on several occasions. It doesn’t make me respect my parents, it makes me FEAR them.
I don’t like the prospect of bullying a dog in general. I want my dog to see my as someone they can come to for guidance and in situations when they are unsure, not submiss because they know the consequences.
But hey, that’s just my opinion. I’m interested to hear the others’ opinions, too.
-Peaches and Jeni
09/03/09  04:51pm

 #2067422


RepticZ
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   Message To: FutureVet123   In reference to Message Id: 2067242


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I try not to smack my dog but sometimes its hard to stop it with just my voice. When my puppy jumps on my screen door to try and get inside; my voice doesnt make him stop. I have to go over there and push his paws off the door say no and correct him by pushing his butt down and making him sit before he can come in.
09/04/09  12:51am

 #2067545


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   Message To: RepticZ   In reference to Message Id: 2067422


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I smack my Corgi’s ear to get his attention occasionally. It doesn’t actually hurt him, and it’s distracting enough. I only do this if he starts smart-mouthing inappropriate things to another dog or a kid on a skateboard.

That’s as far as I go with ’smacking’. If he lunges or something disrespectful like that, I force him into submission and hold him there until he calms down. That’s the worst I get.

Most of the time, however, a click of my fingers and/or stating the word, "Eh..." will focus him on me immediately. From there I direct (or re-direct) him into one of a handful of commands such as lay down, sit, or "GET over here."



09/04/09  10:23am

 #2067626


Ghastly
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   Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2067545


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

It is nice to see everyones differen opinion on this matter and that everyone tells what they do with there pet

with my APBT pup she doesnt liked being smacked nor being loudly AH AH at she cowers at either so at least she knows when she has done wrong

but everyoone else feel free to post and if you have posted before feel free to have a descusion :)
09/04/09  01:21pm

 #2067662


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2067626


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I don’t agree with beating your dog senceless or smacking them in the face, and have the same opinion with children. But every now and then when my dog does something really really bad (Only if I catch her in the act) I will tap her on the butt and say NO... BAD ZOE. But it’s not a really hard smack, just firm enough to get her attention.
09/04/09  03:03pm

 #2067753


Ghastly
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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2067662


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

See i understand Jeni’s view on this due to what she has said about parents beating the crap out of you when you were a kid i can relate to that i used to get smacked stupid when i was a kid by my mum she would smack me so hard across my bum there was a bruise hand print and sometimes burst blood vessels if she couldnt be bothered using her hand i would get the buckle end of the belt, i got a rolling pin you use for baking across my muty a few times and pretty much anything that was solid and could hirt that was in arms reach
and a couple of year ago i got thrown across my room by my dad we argued and he just picked me up and threw me from one end of my room to the other
i never got fear of my mum unless she was in a bad mood as when my mum is in a bad mood you dont want to be in the same house but over the years and woth me growen up now well im 19 amd out of my terrible growing up uears me and my mum have a good relationship rather close and get on well
were as with my dad he only hit me that one time that i stated but we generally got shouted at with a finger point from him but my relationship isnt close with my dad as well i put it down to him being in the army when i was growing up so when he has been in different countrys alot i never really seen him but i would like to have a decent relationship with him but i just dont know how too
oh and just to clear my parents arent abusive brutes they are in fact very lovely people that do go out there way to help others and never have a bad word against them just thought i would clear that ;)
09/04/09  07:33pm

 #2068555


Senshokukiba
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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2067753


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

Dogs are capable of associating punishment with unwanted behavior. Anyone who states otherwise is incorrect. I’m not being a know- it- all by stating this. I’m simply letting you know that it’s ludicrous to think dogs can associate good behavior with receiving praise and reward, but not bad behavior with punishment. It’s ridiculous.

When it comes to punishment, it’s important to remember that dogs aren’t humans. When a dog gets physically punished, it doesn’t think, ’Gee, I have no respect for my owner because she’s smacking me’. Dogs just don’t think like us.

I don’t like having someone control my every move. Should I give my dog total freedom? I wouldn’t like eating dog food. Should I stop feeding my dog dog food? The answer is no. As I stated, dogs aren’t humans.

In the wild, wolves don’t simply snarl or yip to express themselves. They go after each other to assert dominance and to establish boundaries. Domestic dogs are no different. Low ranking canines are always pushed around.

I dog sat for a neighbor awhile ago. Her Basset Hound, who had established himself as pack leader, constantly attacked her Labrador Retriever in order to put him in his place. The day my neighbor introduced her dogs to me, I witnessed her Basset Hound tear off a chunk of the Labrador Retriever’s left ear.

Dogs can and will physically punish one another, if given the opportunity. In my opinion, there’s not much of a difference between a human giving a dog a smack on the butt and a dog biting another dog. If I were a dog, I’d actually prefer being spanked that being bitten.

I think what most people label as ’fear’ is actually ’submission’.









09/06/09  08:27pm

 #2068564


Senshokukiba
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   Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 2068555


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I’ll say one more thing.

I’ve met a lot of dog owners these last few years, and I’ve seen what happens to dogs who are physically punished. Every dog ( that I’ve met) that has been physically punished has either become fearful or submissive.

I’m starting to agree more and more with rewarding your dog for good behavior and ignoring his bad behavior. Why? Because if you reward and praise your dog all of the time, he becomes extremely confident. He has no fears or worries, and because of this, he’s eager to face new things. Building your dog’s confidence is one of the best things you can do for him.

When you physically punish a dog, you’re tearing him down. I don’t want to do this. I want to encourage my dog to be enthusiastic about everything.

It’s so easy to train your dog not to do something by physically punishing it. It doesn’t take much time or effort. Dogs usually learn not to do something the first time they’re hit.

When I really think about it, I think most owners who physically punish their dogs are being selfish. All they really want are fast results ( which really only benefit them). They don’t consider the fact that their dog loses his confidence every time he’s hit.

I think that if you have the time and patience, you should train your dog without using physical punishment.



09/06/09  09:00pm

 #2068623


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   Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 2068564


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I agree with you, just one question, if my dog poops on the floor I should ignore it. Because putting her in the crate for bad behavior usually helps a wholeeeeee lot.
09/06/09  11:48pm

 #2068661


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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2068623


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I acually decided not to hit jackson when he’s nipping at me while playing because i gotta smack him too hard for him to stop. so i found a better way he wont be scared of my hand when i raise it. So what i do is just wait till he nips and i stick my thumb on the bottom of mouth under his tongue and he’ll stop cause its uncomfortable.



09/07/09  01:50am

 #2068729


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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2068623


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

To respond to Futurevettech’s question, I don’t agree with crates being used for punishment. The crate should be a safe den he can retreat to, not something to be feared or disliked. How old is your dog?
And senso, I did some more research regarding the association with punishment topic. As it turns out, I had things confused. The report I had read states that after a period of time, they can not associate. Thank you for pointing this out to me, as I was wrong!
-Peaches and Jeni
09/07/09  08:12am

 #2068780


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   Message To: FutureVet123   In reference to Message Id: 2068729


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

You don’t agree with using crates as punishment because it takes away the safeness? Then why does she still crawl in there and sleep when I’m cooking in the kitchen or just go in there and sleep because she’s tired of being bullied by the other dogs, She loves her crate, but closing the door on her tells her that she did something bad, and it helps, she barely has accidents anymore and she doesn’t bite. She knows when she bites she gets taken away from all human attention. She is 17 weeks old. She’s very brite for her age, that crate has made wonders.

You see, Zoe was taken away from her mother at 4 weeks of age, why I don’t know. But because of this she was never taught by her mother that biting was bad, or any of the other things a mother dog and the siblings can teach her.

The crate is an effective, non-violent way to train your puppy. It’s like sending a kid to their room for a time out. If she bites when playing (keep in mind ignoring her never helped she just bit harder) she went to her crate for a time out, she soon learned, if I bite, I go to time out. So she stoped. If she pottied on the floor in front of me, she goes outside and gets told good girl if she finishes outside, but if she goes all the way in the house, it’s time out. She stopped doing that. Now she barks at you when she has to go.

And like a kids room being the place for their time outs, it’s still her safe place that she goes to when the big dogs are picking on her or when I’m doing something that she can’t do with me. She never liked the crate before I started punishing her in it, now she sleeps in it and hides all her favorite toys from the other dogs in it. Thats her crate and she knows it.
09/07/09  11:14am

 #2068788


Ghastly
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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2068780


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I will agre with both Jeni and Future here

I dont agree with using crates as punishment either but like Future states if they love there cage so much then why do they go there when they have been told off?
Perhaps they go there as they know they are safe and feel secure in there a place that is just theres that makes me not fuss about sending Milla or Nelly as a pup in there and with the family dog Cassie same applies to her

but i do not agree with people that use them just for punishment then they put thedog in there when they go out to work or grocery shopping it just sends the dog(s) mixed emotion? (i dont know the word i am looking for lol) that osmy reason not for liking people using crates as punishment



09/07/09  11:23am

 #2068895


Senshokukiba
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   Message To: FutureVet123   In reference to Message Id: 2068729


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

Jeni, please know that I wasn’t trying to be rude when I stated you were incorrect. If I offended you, I’m sorry.
09/07/09  03:38pm

 #2068906


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2068788


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I have little respect for anyone that hits their dog - whether it be a smack on the butt or a kick to the stomach. There’s a reason your dog was misbehaving - you allowed it to happen. Why punish the dog for your not being responsible? Have a dog with house breaking problems? Crate the dog when you can’t watch them, leash them to you inside the house, and walk the dog every few hours. Your dog keep jumping on the screen? Give it something else to do, train it to stay in another room or work on a better recall (come) command. I see no reason whatsoever to ever hit a dog. They are afterall, just being that...a dog. They aren’t an animal with a conscience or a thought process like ours, as someone else mentioned. They are an animal that needs to be shown what to do. How much would you learn if every time you tried something new you were hit/smacked for it? I wouldn’t surely learn the person "correcting" me was someone to fear.

On the topic of using the crate for punishment - a crate should never be used when giving your dog a time out. If your dog needs to be put somewhere to calm down, try a bedroom, bathroom or porch. The crate should always be kept positive (unless you ONLY) use the crate for time outs and nothing else. Dog’s do not generalize well at all...and have a pretty simple thought process.

You all can think whatever you want. I’m sure I’m not going to change any minds. But just think about the reason your dog was misbehaving before hitting them. As someone once said, "a dog is always equipped with a weapon in which they could inflict serious injury to us, yet they choose not to. We should give them the same respect."



09/07/09  04:26pm

 #2068984


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   Message To: SugarFox03   In reference to Message Id: 2068906


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

Putting them in the crate all day while your at home just because you don’t want to watch them is being irresposible and therefore you should not own a dog. In a pack when one of the pups are doing something the leader does not like they bite them and stand over them, that is the efeective way to disaplin. Not to raise your voice or beat them but to do something unpleasant to get the attention and correct. If that means a light tap on the butt, then thats what it means.
09/07/09  07:49pm

 #2069315


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   Message To: SugarFox03   In reference to Message Id: 2068906


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I have no respect for people who are unable to discipline their dog. People who aren’t capable of correcting their dog shouldn’t own one ( unless of course the reason for not correcting the dog is because you’re using the positive training approach).

You are your dog’s pack leader ( or at least you should be). You don’t simply accept your dog’s bad behavior. You don’t work around his unwanted behavior. You show your dog that behavior you find unacceptable isn’t tolerated.

I’m not saying that you should hit your dog every time it does something wrong. I’m simply saying that as the pack leader, you shouldn’t put up with your dog’s bad behavior.

If a lower ranking canine in a pack doesn’t behave like he’s supposed to, a higher ranking canine will correct him.

When it comes to fixing an unwanted behavior, you have to confront it head on. If your dog’s tearing up your screen door, correct it. If you simply remove the screen door from the dog’s reach, your letting the dog win. You’re not correcting his behavior. You’re simply creating a temporary fix. As stated, that’s not what a pack leader does.

Training your dog to come on command doesn’t solve behavioral problems. Not to mention, it doesn’t do you any good when your dog’s outside, trying to get inside. If your dog were inside, trying to get outside, it wouldn’t help either. Why? Because your dog would come when called, but would return to scratching once dismissed.

If your dog tears up your screen door because it wants inside, you shouldn’t let it inside the house. Why? Because it’s only encouraging the dog to scratch the screen door.


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a dog is always equipped with a weapon in which they could inflict serious injury to us, yet they choose not to. We should give them the same respect.


I find this funny because I’ve met tons of people who’ve been bitten by dogs. Not to mention, if you read the newspaper, you’ll find that dog attacks occur quite frequently.

Also, dogs that don’t bite are usually dogs who know their place. It has nothing to do with respect.

I’m pretty sure that if your dog considered itself the alpha, it would bite you.

I’m not directing this at any one in particular. ’You’ is referring to everyone. Also, I don’t mean to be confusing by expressing different views. I’ve thought about this issue a lot, so I have a lot to say about it.

Any way... I’m done posting here.
09/08/09  01:30pm

 #2069455


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   Message To: Senshokukiba   In reference to Message Id: 2069315


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

Btw, Senso, you weren’t being rude by any means :-)
I’m so enjoying this discussion! I never realized there were so many different opinions out there! Ghastly, looks like you started a popular topic!
-Peaches and Jeni



09/08/09  06:34pm

 #2069729


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 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

:) it seems like i have doesnt it? But i suppose as dog owners we all encounter this by people we meet i have met elderly people, adults and people my age who have different opinion

my nana and papa (my mums parents) they believe in hitting a dog when it does wrong and as. Far as i am aware so does my grandpa (my dads dad) were as my dad doesnt and my mum isnt really bothered aslong as the dog is disaplined, my little sister who is 14 on the 21st this month doesnt agree with it one bit but yet respects me as my dogs are so well trained they no not to take a step out of place but yet they have a personality but no what they can and cannot do and do try to attempt to do the things they dont she doesnt like that i give them a smack on there bum but she likes how well trained they are

my mums 2 Brothers my uncles one of them jst believes in verbal commands but if you met him he wouldnt say boo to a ghost he just isnt that type of person, were as my other uncle i love him to bits but he smacks dogs and i dont mean smacks how i smack them he abises them je will smack them so the scream he will smack them with a door if there near one pr shove his foot ip there backsode and it makes me sick but what nakes me more sick is he does this with my #1 breed the Dobermann he started to love the breed from ne and my dogs he tried to raise them in the way i do but took it too far now Lennox is SO aggressive i wouldnt evan take him to correct his behaviour my uncle walks him on a long leash with no muzzle so if he attacks my uncle loves it i have been round when i had my Kimbå before i new what Lennox was like and Nelly was still small thats why she wasnt there i took him fpr a walk and put Kimbås spare muzzle on him people judged my Dobermann as she was woth Lennox i was fuming!

different views for different people but that is my familys opinion
09/09/09  07:08am

 #2070321


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2069729


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I’ve seen people who say they would never hit a dog, smack their dog right in the face for doing stuff......
09/10/09  02:20pm

 #2070353


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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2070321


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I do not seethe point in saying "oh i would never do that to a animal" then they do they just contradict themselves i myself am open i stated in my first post i smack my dogs i would not lie and say i dont when i do and give someone a mouthful for smacking there dog(s) its just shows you have no balls to be open with everyone



09/10/09  03:33pm

 #2070394


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2070353


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

lol, I can say it, I’ll spank my dogs butts if the deserve it jsut like I would if it were my kid. It doesn’t hurt them. I wouldn’t beat them sinceless to where they won’t come around me or turn on me, but I do spank their butts if they do something that is harmful to them.... or even if they do something really bad they they know they aren’t aloud to do, no one can tell me they don’t, or they wouldn’t hide and do it.
09/10/09  05:07pm

 #2070420


Ghastly
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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2070394


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

I agree if a dog does something wrong it get a
smacked bum, i wouldnt hit it for no reason lr for a small petty reason if its something small and minor they get a loud AH AH but 9/10 the dogs i have owned they get a smacked bum they didnt like that so the bad thing never was
reeated

but like this fprum is about different people = different views/exerience/opinion
09/10/09  05:58pm

 #2070449


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2070420


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

i’ve smacked my dogs backsides and i smack my daughters when she is naughty too. if i catch my dogs doing something they should’nt i say no bad girl/boy firmly and if they carry on i say it once more and if they still carry on (which NI’s often do, while looking at you at the same time) they get a smacked bum and then they stop, my daughter gets a warning and then i tell her i’m counting to 3. every one always tells me my dogs are really well behaved



09/10/09  06:59pm

 #2070742


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   Message To: Abberline   In reference to Message Id: 2070449


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

See alot more people do then don’t. I don’t classify a spanking a abuse, beating them, burning them and constantly screaming at them however I do consider abuse, I knew this guy once that would burn his pit bull with his cigarettes everytime it did something that anoyed him, it was rediculous, I cursed him out and told him it was wrong, he woldn’t stop, one time he burned the dog just because i told him not to, so i got on the phone right then and there and called my friend officer beth at the humane society and had her come look at the dog, sure enough she called the police into the matter and had him arested for animal abuse and took yager, sadley he was put down because he turned on someone from the trama he suffered.
09/11/09  02:31pm

 #2070746


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   Message To: Futurevettech725   In reference to Message Id: 2070742


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

a smack is completely different to abuse i agree. lots of people dont agree with smacking kids (most of them dont have kids). i was smacked as a child, never beaten and it did’nt do me any harm. i’m polite, respectful and well behaved and have never been in trouble with the law
09/11/09  03:04pm

 #2070750


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   Message To: Abberline   In reference to Message Id: 2070746


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

Amen Abberline i myself am only 19 but i dont see anything wrong in smacking a child when it does wrong, i also was smacked as a kid but like yourself i am respect to everyone eslecially my elders i never been in trouble with the law i got pounded into my brain that if i ever stole, used illegal substances etc i wluld get the beating of a lifetime and how my mum raised me i will most likely raised my children (if i have any) the same way :)
09/11/09  03:36pm

 #2070789


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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2070750


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

my dad was very strict with me but not harsh, i’m the same with my daughter. i love and respect my dad so much, he’s a great man. i think if more parents were like him we would’nt have half the trouble we do today
09/11/09  05:53pm

 #2070904


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   Message To: Abberline   In reference to Message Id: 2070789


 To smack or not to smack? What is your opinion?

AMEN!
09/12/09  10:41am
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