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#2075826

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You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

People that feel as if they need to breed there pets!

Now if they are correct show dogs and have tropheys and champions etc i can let them buy as these people are genuine breeders who try to make the breed better

People who’s female accidently has a litter i sort of understand but at the sametime they should have there dog nuetered male or female

Then there are the people that believe a female to have 1 litter is good for her boils my blood same applies to people that get a dog it may not be a crossbreed like my pit bull is full pit bull but isnt from champion/show dog lines (hopefully you all understand) and they think cause its not a crossbreed they must breed from it same applies to evan cross breeds

WHAT IS IT WITH PEOPLE NOT NEUTERING AND FEEL AS IF THEY MUST BREE FROM THERE PET????

Or perhaps im just old fashioned and having the need to breed from your pet family dog or your own is the hip new thing!!

Oh it really revs up my engine if you couldnt tell?!

09/24/09 07:14am

#2075883

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2075826

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

Some people just like the joy of watching the puppies grow, it is just wrong but true. Some people don’t believe in getting their dog fixed and have the "accidents" but even those ones can be prevented, I’m sorry but it can. My aunt breeds pure bred champion blood line grat danes. Both parents are perfect examples of the breed standard, and she is only breeding twice then both get fixed.

I don’t really understand why some people don’t believe in getting their dogs fixed, in all actuality, it is healthier for the dog to get fixed. Less worry about certain cancers, less worry about cysts, just alot less worry really.

09/24/09 10:16am

#2075945

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2075883

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

I agree with what you said about the neutering and with what your Aunt does aslong as its champion dogs and its to make the breed better it doesnt bother me
but its the people with crossbreeds or non top lined dog that they have to breed since when does getting a dog mean you have to breed from it? What is the desperate idea of wanting to do it? Just all around why breed a mutt or a dog that does have correct breed guidelines or charecteristics?

It just annoys me...

09/24/09 01:50pm

#2075988

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2075945

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

It’s stupid, I know, it’s why we have so many abuse cases and dogs in the pound and it’s sad. Pitbulls are often bred to meaner pits to get meaner tempered puppies when we should be breeding mello tempered pitbulls to mello tempered to breed the fighting aggression out. We have so many pitbull attacks out there because of stupid breeders and stupid owners. It’s sooooooo not the dogs fault and society is making it seem like it is. Just like rottweilers, some of the best dogs in the world, so dedicated to their owners, yet when one attacks another dog or a kid because the owner chose not to spend the time getting a good puppy from a good breed or simply just not giving the socializing it needs, not because the dog just chose to, now society deems that breed dangerous and I’m tired of it......

People just need to stop breeding dogs for the fun of it, and leave the breeding to the serious people who are dedicated to improving the breeds, for a better temperment, better health, and an all out better life.

09/24/09 04:11pm

#2076019

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2075988

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

Well mean Pitbulls only come from man made agressive dogs as you will know they are people friendly dogs and only turned to be animal agressiveafter bull, bear baiting amd ratting was outlawed and dog fightng began.
Why people need a agresive dog i do not no i personally dont want a people nor animal agressive dog but if i had to choose it would be animal agressive that way it would only pose a threat to animals and not people but to actually BREED two dogs together so a dog would naturally be like this is just f**ked up!!!! Who wants a puppy thats agressive? Who wants a dog that is genetically imbalanced than made to have a imbalanced personality?

09/24/09 05:36pm

#2076051

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2076019

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

There are more negatives to spaying/ neutering your dog than there are positives.

On the positive side, neutering male dogs eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer, reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders, reduces the risk of perianal fistulas, and may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive).

On the negative side, neutering male dogs, if done before maturity, increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer) by a factor of 3.8 (this is a common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis), increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds, triples the risk of hypothyroidism, increases the risk of geriatric cognitive impairment, triples the risk of obesity, and with it many of the associated health problems, quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer, doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers, increases the risk of orthopedic disorders, and increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations.

On the positive side, spaying female dogs, if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common tumors in female dogs, nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would infect about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs, reduces the risk of perianal fistulas, and removes the very small risk (<0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors

On the negative side, spaying female dogs, if done before maturity, increases the risk of osteosarcoma by a factor of 3.1; (this is a common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis), increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of more than 5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds, triples the risk of hypothyroidism, increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6 – 2, and with it the many associated health problems, causes urinary spay incontinence in 4-20% of female dogs, increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4, increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs spayed before puberty, doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors, increases the risk of orthopedic disorders, and increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations.

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09/24/09 06:47pm

#2076067

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2075988

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

The majority of people who want a purebred dog want it to be inexpensive and easy to obtain. Topnotch breeders sell their dogs, whether they’re pet quality or show quality, for hundreds and even thousands of dollars. Plus, they make all potential owners fill out annoying questionnaires and signs contracts. The casual pet owner doesn’t want to have to do this. It’s much easier to buy from a backyard breeder or a puppy mill. It costs less and there’s little to no paperwork involved.

There are tons of purebred dogs in shelters. As more and more shelters require people to fill out applications, introduce pets to each other, and perform home inspections, the amount of adoptions are slowly dwindling. The average pet owner doesn’t want to have to fill out tons of paperwork or receive an interview. As stated, it’s easier to buy from a backyard breeder.

Plus, the purebreds in shelters can be quite pricey. When I lived in Idaho, there was a Saint Bernard at the Idaho Humane Society for $300.00. I looked at the classifieds in the newspaper and found an add for $250.00 Saint Bernard puppies.

I’d love to adopt a dog from my local humane society right now. I’m certain I would be unable to due to the fact that I don’t have a fenced yard. Honestly, knowing this makes me want to buy from a backyard breeder. I’m sure I’m not the only one in this situation who feels the way I do.

Now, to get to my point. I’m certain that the majority of backyard breeders have it in their mind that they’re doing the world a service. They think that offering purebred dogs for low prices is the best thing since dinosaur chicken nuggets.

I’m also certain that most backyard breeders think that breeding dogs is acceptable because, in their opinion, they’re not at fualt for the current pet overpopulation problem.

09/24/09 07:29pm

#2076132

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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 2076067

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

When the are technically the number one contributer, I have volunteered at the humane society since I was 16, the humane society only does those things to ensure that the dog not only finds a good home, but doesn’t end up back in the humane society, same goes for responsible....not topnotch breeders. Would you want to sell a puppy to someone who didn’t have the things the dog needs to servive and have a happy , healthy life? Having a fenced in yard is kind of essential to having a dog when you live in the city, not so much when you live in the country. Some dogs tend to get distracted by people or other animals out near the street and will leave the yard regrdless of your commands and a dog getting hit by a car because the owner was to careless to put the dog on a lead or put up a fence in my opinion is animal neglect, as is when peoples dogs are out running the neighborhood, pets with collars and tags, just roaming. Thats how accidents happen, dogs getting hit, dog fights, dog attacks, cats being chased down and attacked.

Alot of people don’t realize the humane societies and responsible breeders are only making sure their puppies and rescues are going to good, loving, SAFE, and dog friendly environments. I’m happy they do these things, now if the backyard breeders and puppy mills would only stop being irresponsible, there wouldn’t be so many dogs in shelters, because only responsible owners would have puppies and dogs. Same goes for cats.

I am going to college for veterinary technology so I have firm beliefs in getting you animals spayed/neutered if your not planning to responsibly breed them. It prevents bad and worse things to come. This especially goes for cats, there are so many cat being rescued that most older ones are being put to sleep because there are so many kittens, and adoptions aren’t going as fast as hoped.

09/24/09 10:12pm

#2076220

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2076132

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I am going to college for veterinary technology so I have firm beliefs in getting you animals spayed/neutered if your not planning to responsibly breed them

the way i see it unless you are a top notch breeder then your dogs shouldnt be spayed, if you are buying from a top notch breeder the pup should be spayed as im not sure if USA is the same as Norway but top notches dont allow you to breed with there pups a contract is signed amd if you break it the dogs taken back to the owner same applies to showing the dog an the same rules applys to top quality cats (i had it when i got my mum 2 Persian cats)

Now are rule is here which i dont agree with is a dog is only to be nuetered if it has a medical problem now a vast majority of the population including me still go to get are pets nuetered heck i nueter my dogs, cats evan my rabbit and if i could my Gerbils but my little boys only have eachother and they are gentlemen and behave wonderful! Now despite are goveement rule we dont have strays, very little dogs in shelters and when you see a dog advertised 7/10 times its a purebred you will very little come a lcross a mutt

plus are top notch dogs dont cost so much a adoption fee from the shelter if its still correct from when i got Kimbå it should be 696NOK approx 100$ and a top quality dog from a top notch breeder as a 8week old pup is 6,000NOK approx 800$ BUT Great Danes, Bullmastiffs, Dogue de Bourdeaux, English Bulldogs, Mastiff these breeds from a 8week old pup once again from a top notch breeder can cost us around 100,000NOK

But it just shows that people here that try to pass off there pups as top notch dogs doesnt work it truely doesnt we are smart people and we go by price and BYBs that expect alot get thrown to the side and not bought from no matter how cheap or evan if they sell for the same price as quality breeders

09/25/09 05:08am

#2076279

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2076220

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

We have breeders here that make you sign contracts, spay/neuter contracts, return agreement contracts, exc. The cost of the dogs determines how rare the breed is and how high the ranking in the bloodline, my rottweiler was on $250 because A. she is not show quality, B. The breed is popular, their are quite a few breeders, C. The breeder gave me a discount because I knew so much about the breed and I had great intentions on getting her spayed, she said she knows how much that’ll cost me, and gave me $100 off. Getting one of my aunts great dane puppies all depends on the colors, Black sells for $500-600, harliquins and blue meril 800-900. English mastiffs range from 1,000- 1,500.

09/25/09 11:02am

#2076286

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2076279

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

The contracts are the same here and we can always tell if the breeder is genuine as if you cant look after the pup no more or it just doesnt work out for work, family or personal reasons they will always take the pup back no matter of its a few days, couple of weeks, 6months or 10years down the line were as the ones for a quick buck dont care evan if its the following day they want nothing to do with you or the pup just intrested in your green paper! But they get caught out quickly as news travels fast :)

I would definetly take a Harlequinn GD if i ever got a GD it would be a Harlequinn they are just gorgeous XD

09/25/09 11:26am

#2076299

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2076132

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Having a fenced in yard is kind of essential to having a dog when you live in the city, not so much when you live in the country.

That’s definitely not true. I’ve lived in the city the majority of my life, and I’ve resided in many apartments. I’ve had several apartment dogs, all of which were probably 50 pounds +. I’ve never tied them up or let them run loose. I always had them leashed when outside, and I went out of my way to give them the exercise they needed.

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A lot of people don’t realize the humane societies and responsible breeders are only making sure their puppies and rescues are going to good, loving, SAFE, and dog friendly environments.

On the contrary. I’m quite sure that people are aware of this. They just don’t care. As stated, the average pet owner wants to obtain a dog without hassle. The average pet owner doesn’t want to have to fill out an application, have their home inspected, fill out a questionnaire, etc.

I understand that humane societies are trying to ensure that their dogs find good homes. I think they could do better if they went about it differently though...

I only support spaying/ neutering your dog if you’re a casual pet owner (i.e.: you don’t plan to breed your dog, you don’t have the time to ensure that your dog doesn’t mate, etc.). As I stated earlier, there are more negatives than positives when it comes to fixing your dog.

09/25/09 12:00pm

#2076343

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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 2076299

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As stated, the average pet owner wants to obtain a dog without hassle. The average pet owner doesn’t want to have to fill out an application, have their home inspected, fill out a questionnaire, etc.

i have to agree with this as much as i prefere to rehome a rescue and evan when i fostered ex racing Greyhounds which was before i had Nelly and Kimbå when i had my first dog Sacha the Dobermann Rott mix evan with that its forms, forms, forms and you guessed it more forms!! I applied for a couple of dogs i was intrested in before i got Milla both were Dobermanns and despite growing up with the breed since i was 4 (am now almost 20) having 2years working with, selling and buying working Dobermanns etc and owning them as pets and having known a ton of info on them as they are my #1 i was still found to be unfit they thought i wasnt "strong" enough to own one if i wasnt strong enough i couldnt keep my workers under control, i definetly wouldnt apply for one! They thought my home was unsuitable my home is a large studio masionette with a back yard the size of a small football pitch with a 9ft rabbit run with hutch in it amd its still huge space left, i reckon it may have been down to my age? But the shelters just p!ssed me off so much thats why i got Milla from a breeder in Poland and smuggled her in not right to have a illegal breed in the country but they dont know what she is they just think she is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier thats what she is registerd as and has a dodgy paperwork the vets dont need the breeder paperwork only time i would need it is for showing but im not showing her so all is fine really

But in conclusion i agree not all of us like forms and people poking around are homes and in my case i dont like being critisized saying im not fit to look after/own a Dobermann when i f**king am!! End of :)

09/25/09 01:28pm

#2076522

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2076343

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

I can’t say much, Our humane society doesn’t do home inspections, they just have the questionair and vet contract to assure that the dog has a vet and will be getting the care needed, the only dog they inspect your home for is the pitbull. Your not aloud to have other dogs with them and have to have the insurance before you can adopt one also.

09/25/09 06:59pm

#2076704

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2076522

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What does this insurance do? Is it just pet insurance? if it is just pet insurance we have to have it here for every breed of dog and cat
i also heard that in USA that some states put Pit bulls on the house insurance that true? If it is what does that do? If your dog attacks someone you loose your house? I heard that it applies to Mastinis (Mastiffs), all Bullies, Rotts, Dobermann, Boxer, GSD pretty much all "demon" considered breeds

09/26/09 04:19am

#2076936

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2076704

You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

The home owners insurance is true, some insurance companies won’t accept bully breeds because they are dangerous dogs, other insurance companies raise the price of the insurance for them because they are high risk, this just helps if someone get’s attacked on you property by your dog, although I never understood that part, if someone intrudes on your property almost any dog will bite, not just the bully breeds.

The insurance you have to have on pitbulls is not just pet insurance, it’s 100,000 insurance in case your dog attcks a person or someones pet, you are covered to pay for medical bills, you also have to have a fenced in yard, a tie out, and a muzzle for the dogs.

09/26/09 06:30pm

#2076938

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2076936

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Hmm thanks for explaining :) all though i am still completly at loss with the house insurance haha i understand it (to a extent) but it still baffles me
i dont mean to sound judgemental towards groups of people here but you know how you get the people that just have next to no miney and only have the dog as a status symbol/trophey dog how do they pay? Or does it only apply to certain states?

Ill be f**ked when i move to America if Milla is still alive ill have her and definetly a Dobermann or Rott and i would love to have a couple of gaurd dogs lol but only if i had a huge fancy pad plus if Zena and Thor havent been killed on a hunt then theyll have a kennel lol but holy heck the insuramce company would live my wallet haha

09/26/09 06:47pm

#2077158

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2076938

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I’m pretty sure it applys to all states, Some insurance companies don’t care, but most do......

09/27/09 11:41am

#2077184

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2077158

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I just find it really weird is all here the only insurance we have for animals is pet insurance for large/potentionally dangerous breeds we have nothing like what you all have the only thing we have like USA is BSL and we have band is APBT, Fila Brazilero, Japanese Tosa and Dogo Argentino and well we arent allowed these dogs nor cross breeds but some people illegaly smiggle them in (i hold my hand up for Milla) and register them as differnt breeds (Milla is a registerd Staffordshire Bull Terrier) but some people are stupid and register them as Am. Staffords although they are legal they arent allowed for the sake of the dog incase mistaken as a APBT, others register them as Staffords Labrador mix but hey thats are rules although i have to say i do actually agree with the large 100,000$ keeping fee of owning a Pit if we had that here for Staffordshire Bull Terrier amd English Bull Terrier (both are legal) it would stop people getting them as a status symbol/trophey dog amd there would be alot less attacks, stolen dogs etc amd people asking you in the street for your dog etc luckly were i stay i dont get that asked everyone minds there own buissiness really but i would like it if we had a fee like that as i said it wpuld help with alot of problems and breed labelling as only people who respect the breed could afford them and show the media and others the breeds natural bueaty!

09/27/09 01:18pm

#2077441

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2077184

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Yeah our countries are def. different, If the insurance company asks I just say zoe is lab/ dobermen mix. Soem cities don’t have laws against them, others do, most insurance companies will raise your insurance if you own them, some won’t even consider you.

09/27/09 10:23pm

#2077563

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2077441

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Wait until Zoe is a adult she will be rather hard to pass of as a Labrador Dobermann mix guess you will be lucky if you get the insurance companys that dont care :)

09/28/09 08:31am

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2077563

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can i just say without sparking an arguement that there is no perfect example of a dog, every dog has a fault. i’m breeding my pure bred northern inuit smiley next year and will be mating her to a champion stud, she has had her health tests and passed with flying colours, so has the stud. when i bought both my NI’s (one in april) i had to sign a contract saying i was’nt allowed to breed them unless they pass their health tests, i ask permission from the breeder and the society. my smiley has a fault, but i have been given permission to breed her as she fits the standard on everything else and i want to breed the fault out. she has been to shows and been placed in alot of classes including 4 first place rosettes, she has been placed above dogs that do not have her particular fault because they did’nt fit the standard aswell as she does. i want to breed because i want to improve the breed, hopefully when my pup is old enough to have her health tests she will pass and be given permission to be bred from. i have a waiting list for my puppies and they will only go to the best homes, the owners will be made to sign a contract like i was and will be able to come to me for help and advice whenever they need it.

09/28/09 05:03pm

#2077838

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Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2077817

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Abberline can i just say you are one of very few people that breed dogs that i respect! I have alwaysrespected you for that i have never said that as i dont want to be a brown nose, i have always known from your other posts about your NI’s that you are out to make the breed better i have always been aware of that hense why i have never made a bad comment towards you about your breedings!

I am on about people that have a heinz 57 all variety dog and they feel as if they MUST breed it because it looks "cute" or "she will be a good mum and it will be good for her" these are the people that i am on about

im sorry if you thought i was aiming it at everyone including you but i wasnt as i said i have always repected in what you do like if i was ever to become a Dobermann worker or Bullmastini hunter breeder it would be the good quality ones with good working and correct standards etc but i highly doubt i ever would

09/28/09 05:44pm

#2077937

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2077838

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Either that or go without, that would suck though, alot of people are trying to get the rott off the dangerous dog list, they got the dobermen off.

09/28/09 08:29pm

#2078105

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2077937

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I think that all dogs should be off the list and BSL should be lifted, we were going to do something super genius then Germany interferd we were going to up lift BSL so APBT, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brazilaero and Japanese Tosa were legal to own and instead of attacking breeds we were just going to attack individual dogs and the people that kept them if anything i think dog lisences should be bought back apparently we had them until ’91 when they decided to banish lisences and bring in BSL apparently the lisences worked really well and only people that could afford to pay for the keeping of there dog along with the lisence each month actually owned dogs and "macho" breeds werent stolen back then as if you were caught with a dog and no lisence it was taken away from you and was taken back to you as each lisemce had what dog, age, sex, distinctive marking/apperance etc

But we were going to do that but as i said Germany got involved so it was abolished :( i just wish i was around when the lisences were her but i would have been a totty baby as i was born in ’89 lol

09/29/09 04:15am

#2078106

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You know what REALLy boils my blood?!?!

09/29/09 04:15am

#2078166

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2078106

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We have something called the grandfather clause, if they were to try and ban breeds it probably wouldn’t work because of this.

09/29/09 10:49am

#2078172

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2078166

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Is it true ghastly that tail docking is banned over there, if so why?

09/29/09 10:58am

#2078208

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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2078172

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Yes both cropping and cutting ear and tail docking is illegal most european countrys have banned it but very few still do it like Poland, Czech Republic etc i know Norway, UK, Belgium and i think France and Germany dont allow it. It is illegal as it is counted as animal cruelty personally i know there can be bad reactions to docking amd cropping cuts but i dont see it has inhumane i personally dont see it like that but most goverment will allow working dogs to be docked eg. Spaniel so there tails do not get caught but for "cosmetic" reasons like Rotts, Great Dane and Dobermann it is not allowed amd you are to go to a country that allows it if you want your dog docked, the goverment doesnt bend rules for ear cropping and cutting no matter for what reason

09/29/09 12:30pm

#2078346

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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2078208

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Rottweilers lock awfully funny with a tail, lol, so do dobermans, but thats just my opinion

09/29/09 05:00pm

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