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Ghastly View Profile |
Annoying me!!
Now i called the trainer and she said call her 3 times eg. Milla come, Milla come, Milla come and if she hasnt came on the third time then im to drag her out and say "well done Milla come" now i tried this and it resulted in her peeing all over her blankets, toys and Bambi teddy and it only set us back evan further and since being told to try this if i lean in to sort her blankets she will go submissive and end up doing a little pee or a full blown bladder relief!! Anyone give me any pointers and/or better advice? Cause i truely am getting totally funked off! |
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| 10/14/09 01:53pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2083866 Annoying me!!
Normally I wouln’t respond to a thead I can’t give advice on, but I just had to comment on how strange that is. Is she afraid of you? Was she abused/neglected before you got her? Do you know why she’s so afraid of everything? I heard she is afraid of balls, too. |
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| 10/14/09 02:33pm |
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ShadowAceD View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 2083889 Annoying me!!
I do not know much about the dog, as some on the forum do, but I want to know. How do you approach her? Are you standing? Do you hold any tension in your shoulders? Do you get frustrated when she does not listen? Have you just tried sitting in front of the cage, feeding her a bit of her food and increasing the space every few moments to get her to follow you? What have you done to show this dog that coming out of her "safe spot" means good things? What have you done to show her that you are not going to bring harm to her? Establishing yourself as alpha is secondary when the dog cannot even trust you. I had a Boxer we rescued from New Mexico who would piss himself whenever we approached him. I had to spend a solid two months never sitting on my furniture and hardly walking around the house in order to interact with him and convince him I met him no harm. Grilled chicken was a good way to get to him and, over time, he associated people with good things and stopped cowering away from us. I never once tried to physically remove him from where he was comofrtable or impeded on his space. It will just worsen the anxiety. Also, one thing you can do is ask your vet to temporarily prescribe your dog Xanax. It is an anti-anxiety medication and helps calm an animal down so they can focus while you put them through some classic conditioning. My Husky Mix takes it because he is an incredibly high strung animal and lacks serious focus. Anyway, hope that helps. -D |
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| 10/14/09 02:51pm |
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Bran421 View Profile |
Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 2083896 Annoying me!!
Does she know the command come? You could even feed her in her crate with the door open so she can come out after. Or maybe you could show her the food so she will come out. I know my dogs get real excited when they get fed, walked, or asked to go outside to potty. Leave the door open for awhile and call her, if she dont come out then show her something exciting, like a treat, or a leash, whatever makes her really happy. Hows your relationship with her? Getting any better yet? Try playing some bonding games with her to get her to trust you more. Do you have a laser? My dogs LOVE to chase the laser point and I’ve never seen a dog that didnt! If you look it up, theres a ton of ideas to do. Good luck with her! |
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| 10/14/09 03:37pm |
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LizaB2008 View Profile |
Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 2083896 Annoying me!!
I would take one cup of hard food, and one cup of moist food, don’t mix them yet. Cook the wet food and release the scents and then mix them together. Put her food and water down next to her kennel and leave the room. When you hear her come out go in and praise her her for leaving her crate. You just have to give her a little space thats all, you could also try taking little bits of chicken sit them on the floor in front of her cage and trying to get her to come out. But if she is so scared that she won’t do that, give her space. Alot of pitbulls are little scardies when they are puppies. I would also do away with crate time while your at home, when your home, milla comes out and door goes shut. She needs to learn that it is safe to be out of her kennel, that she has no reason to hide and be afraid. Just make sure you take all of her toys out before you shut the door, place them in corners around the house, show her that exploring is ok. She doesn’t need anxiety meds, that will make her sluggish to where she doesn’t want to anything but sleep, that is only for hyper dogs that can’t settle down for their own good. I hope something works out for you, Beth |
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| 10/14/09 03:45pm |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 2083896 Annoying me!!
Quote: Normally I wouln’t respond to a thead I can’t give advice on, but I just had to comment on how strange that is. Is she afraid of you? Was she abused/neglected before you got her? Do you know why she’s so afraid of everything? I heard she is afraid of balls, too.
Milla aint afraid of me she can be slighlty nervous of strangers but as each day goes by her courage gets bigger, i put it down to when i got her from the breeder in Poland we stopped at a service station and the first people she met apart from me outside of her home was a horrid woman that was lovely with her until she found out she was a APBT then smacked her across her face which caused her to yelp. She has never been abused nor neglected i got her at 7weeks amd 5days the only time she has ever been abused was bythe woman i mentioned above who got a pynch in the face from me in return! Milla isnt afraid of everything she just has a problem coming out of her cage in the morning she is fine after being in there all nught the only time i have problem getting her out is if she goes in the cage by herself like if she is on her beanbag bed in the living room and she gets up walks down the hall through the dining room then through a "backdoor" down a little hall to get to the conservatory/outhouse and i go to get her anything from 5mins to 30mins later to let her out for the toilet or if we are going for a walk she wont come out but if i ut her in the cage 99% of the time she comes out when i go to get her she isnt afraid of balls no more we have been having a hours sessiom a day and she likes them only she thinks playing with a ball is jumping on it with her front feet... Retarded yet cute! Quote: I do not know much about the dog, as some on the forum do, but I want to know. How do you approach her? Are you standing? Do you hold any tension in your shoulders? Do you get frustrated when she does not listen? Have you just tried sitting in front of the cage, feeding her a bit of her food and increasing the space every few moments to get her to follow you? What have you done to show this dog that coming out of her "safe spot" means good things? What have you done to show her that you are not going to bring harm to her? Establishing yourself as alpha is secondary when the dog cannot even trust you.
now Milla aint the only dog ive owned let alone trained haha i am calm around her and if i do get fustrated i walk away take deep breaths and just try to laugh it off, no tension is held from anywhere im generally not allowed to get fustrated or tense due to health issue. I have sat in front of the cage with a treat or her favorite toy she will do her squirmy thing where she lies on her back and drags herself along by using her feet on the side of the cage but looses intrest quickly evan if you stick it in the cage and drag it along the bottom. As i said in the reply to a previous post i generally only have problem getting her out the cage if she goes in there by herself if i put her in she comes out fine its just when she ups amd leaves a room she is in on the ground floor (she aint allowed anywhere up the stairs nor the basement) |
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| 10/14/09 04:18pm |
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ShadowAceD View Profile |
Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2083926 Annoying me!!
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| 10/14/09 04:33pm |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2083910 Annoying me!!
Quote: Did you explain to the trainer how scared and nervous Milla is? If so she should have never told you to drag her out. Time to get a new trainer!!
Does she know the command come? You could even feed her in her crate with the door open so she can come out after. Or maybe you could show her the food so she will come out. I know my dogs get real excited when they get fed, walked, or asked to go outside to potty. Leave the door open for awhile and call her, if she dont come out then show her something exciting, like a treat, or a leash, whatever makes her really happy. Hows your relationship with her? Getting any better yet? Try playing some bonding games with her to get her to trust you more. Do you have a laser? My dogs LOVE to chase the laser point and I’ve never seen a dog that didnt! If you look it up, theres a ton of ideas to do. Good luck with her! Milla aint scared of anything now a she is growing up which im SO happy about lol i hate the whole puppy socialising with traffic and other loud noises! Yeah she does know come, she wont eat in her cage one bit she generally gets half a Pedigree Puppy tubo treat when she gets put to bed for the night amd shell take it out eat it then go back in i have tried with her kibble and it sits there if the door is shut then she waits til its open then carrys it out biscuit by biscuit and eats them then same applies if the door isopen she just carrys them out she doesnt seem to get excited about anything well i tell a lie there if you have sknething like a toy of hers she will get excited which you can tell as she snorts and i mean she snorts like a pig and have been nick name a American pit pig terrier :D but once she has sat (she always sots before she is given something) shell then have it given to her then once she has found out what it is thats it she dont care the only other thing sje loves is sitting on my lap as she isnt allowed on furniture and if i am sitting on the floor i tell her "come on then" amd she plonks down on my lap as far as lasers go they are illegal here evan pet laser pretty much any laser that isnt used for lasersight on guns but evan then you have a hard time getting that type Quote: would take one cup of hard food, and one cup of moist food, don’t mix them yet. Cook the wet food and release the scents and then mix them together. Put her food and water down next to her kennel and leave the room. When you hear her come out go in and praise her her for leaving her crate
moist food? Do you mean dog tin meat? Or cooked human meat? If you mean dog tin meat she only gets that once or twice a week as if she has it anymore than that it goes right through her and with cooked human meat she doesnt get that she only gets raw meat and thats only if i am cooking she gets the odds and ends same as if i been hunting and like the tin meat thats also a treat she wont eat cooked food either i think its the crumbling texture she dodges it! And ive tried food enticing her if she went in the cage she aint fussed what so ever a truely strange mutt! Quote: you could also try taking little bits of chicken sit them on the floor in front of her cage and trying to get her to come out.
she wont eat anything off the floor not evan a biscuit that fell out her dish as when she was 9weeks she was sniffing about the dining room floor for dropped food after a celebration amd got a liud "AH HOW DARE YOU SCROUNGE!!" needless to say shes never done it again :D Quote: I would also do away with crate time while your at home, when your home, milla comes out and door goes shut. She needs to learn that it is safe to be out of her kennel, that she has no reason to hide and be afraid. Just make sure you take all of her toys out before you shut the door, place them in corners around the house, show her that exploring is ok. She doesn’t need anxiety meds, that will make her sluggish to where she doesn’t want to anything but sleep, that is only for hyper dogs that can’t settle down for their own good.
she isnt in the cage when im at home same as if its just my bf in the hiuse only time she is in the cage is when we are at work, at the grocery store, in bed, doing house work upstairs and if we are in the shower so i know she isnt attempting to chew anything let alone it crossing her mind as she is teething currantly i had to laugh but do you want to hide her toys amd bones around my house?! I tell you you would be there for at least 4days putting a couple in each room downstairs same as if you were going to hide her toys outside only you would be there for a month haha XD as for meds no something id never do let alone cross my mind lol |
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| 10/14/09 04:49pm |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 2083933 Annoying me!!
e to you crawling on her belly then submitting half way near you, she will creep crawl where her tail is right between the legs ears back and sit rught infront of you looking up amd the bums fidgeting trying to stay still but sheepishly wagging the tail or shell just trott up to you normally and i have moved the cage to differnt parts of the room but shell always hug against the cage amd i have also shut the doors to the room also |
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| 10/14/09 05:06pm |
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Abberline View Profile |
Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2083947 Annoying me!!
puppies all have different personalities and some are more timid than others, it does’nt mean you’re doing anything wrong, abberline can be quite timid with strangers and she has been socialised just as much and as well as xero but its just her personalty to be slightly timid, i’m sure as milla gets older she will get more confident :) |
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| 10/14/09 07:33pm |
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RepticZ View Profile |
Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2083991 Annoying me!!
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| 10/14/09 11:34pm |
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RepticZ View Profile |
Message To: RepticZ In reference to Message Id: 2084091 Annoying me!!
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| 10/14/09 11:48pm |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2083991 Annoying me!!
Quote: dont think the trainer gave you very good advice imo, i would say get down to her level and say in a gentle encouraging voice ’milla come on dinner’ eg, if she comes praise her really well and tell her she’s a good girl, if she does’nt i would leave her in the crate for another 10-20 mins and try again, if she still does’nt respond, feed her in the crate. mine get fed in the crate and they love it :)
alot of trainers have recommend call her three times then hold her by the coller and gently drag her out, i think its because people mainly take trainers on to train there working dogs more than there pet dogs. And here well a dogs a dog it needs to learn to do as you want we are the type of place that isnt really easy on our dog training but just to clear we dont beat our dogs we aint like that, but thats my reason why they all recommend the same thing. She wont eat anything in her cage if the door is shut she will wait until its open then take her food or treat out and eat it and if the doors open shell do the samething i reckon she doesnt like the crumbs on her blankets as she doesnt "hoover" up her mess so she would need to lie in it |
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| 10/15/09 02:56am |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: RepticZ In reference to Message Id: 2084100 Annoying me!!
Quote: Do you force her into the cage? maybe she seems of it as her safe area?
never been forced in there if i call her then she happily comes and goes in evan if im next door in the kitchen and im calling her to give her odds and ends of raw food or for a small bit of cheese but she has never been forced in. Quote: Also you should of smacked that girl who slapped your dog when you told her milla was a Pitbull lol, dont tell people that if you assume they will get offended
hense i punched the woman despite she was in her 40’s and i highly respect people older than me i had no problem punching her across her jaw and then faced the fact of my pal trying to pull me off of her from snashing her head into the ground! I said she was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier as we were entering Norway and APBT are illegal here were as Staffys amd English Bulls are not so can you imagine the outcome if i did say she was a APBT? But i highly doubt she was offended i reckon its because of the bad media they get and couldnt face that she was petting a "murderous" beast that she thought was a black Labrador pup i was hugging! People are just so small minded about herculian breeds!! |
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| 10/15/09 03:05am |
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