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#2085228
LizaB2008
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Why do we 
Why do we continue to breed dogs when there are so many dogs in shelters that need a good home, why do we only give good homes to puppies. It’s just heartless and stupid. There are tons of pure breds in shelters, just as many as there are mutts, why not save a life and stop bringing them into the world? At least until we find good homes for all the shelter dogs, it’s unfair for them to have to suffer because humans are selfish and careless, they deserve a second chance just as we so often get. Someone bought those dogs in the shelter as a puppy and decided they didn’t want it, just like hundreds of others are going to do to hundreds of other puppies. SO breeders are just going to continue breeding because they want money instead of stopping the non sense and saving a dog or two. Are we so heartless that we would rather contribute to the overpopulation rather then save a dog that could one day be the best friend you have ever had?
Read this and remember, the next time you go to buy a puppy or breed a dog, there is a beautiful canine companion in the shelter that needs your love and companionship, do the right thing people.
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10/17/09 09:52pm
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#2085281
Bran421
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2085228
Why do we
I agree with you. I have both bought puppies and rescued dogs. The last dog I got was a rescue pit bull. Theirs benefits from both buying puppies and rescuing. I got my pitty from a rescue because I wanted to save a dog, and I wanted an already full grown dog. Prince came with quite a few problems that came with getting a rescue, such as separation anxiety, and "shelter dog" barking, but there’s also a ton of great things that came with him like being fully vetted, and neutered, and he had a little bit of basic training from being in his foster home. Plus he was fully potty trained. There is a ton of great things that come out of shelter dogs, but some people dont want them. For example, I was helping my uncle find a dog and I took him to my local shelter, me and my little cousin fell in love with this pit/rot mix, but my uncle wouldnt adopt him because he has his mind brainwashed as he don’t want a "used" dog.
My rottweiler I bought as a pup, mainly because I wanted a purebred, and I wanted to do all training myself. I looked in shelters for months before I bought him.
But anyways some people think shelter dogs are there for a reason, and they dont want a dog with a ton of behavioral problems, which is totally not the case most of the time!
I’ll be honest and say the next time I get a dog, I’ll probably get a pup from a really great breeder. I want another pit bull next, and since I live in the Detroit area where its infested with dog fighting I want to be very careful of the next dog I bring into the house, esp. if its another pitty. But who knows maybe I’ll fall in love with another rescue like I did my Princy-poo :)
Prince and his big bully smile of love
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10/17/09 11:25pm
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#2085427
LizaB2008
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Message To: Bran421 In reference to Message Id: 2085281
Why do we
Most of the fighting pits are euthenized in the detroit area after they behavioral test them. Most shelters won’t allow two pits in one household, I know mine won’t. They are still a little hesitant about adopting greta to me because I have another rott, zoe and greta meet next weekend.
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10/18/09 11:02am
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#2085495
Bran421
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2085427
Why do we
I’ve contacted rescues about other pits and when I told them I had a rottweiler, and 2 small children they wouldn’t let me adopt them. Luckily I found Prince who was in a foster home with another large dog and small kids and it was a perfect match for me! A lot of my local shelters do not behavioral test their dogs, but I know Michigan humane society in Detroit does, and if I’m right I believe they put all pit bulls to sleep, with a few exceptions of young pups, or mixes? Rescues and humane society’s around here test their dogs. Did you adopt your rottie pup? What kind of dog is Greta?
~Brandy
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10/18/09 01:41pm
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#2085540
LizaB2008
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Message To: Bran421 In reference to Message Id: 2085495
Why do we
I bought so in rescuing her from her breeder... I felt bad because zoe was taken away from her mom at just three weeks old and was being sold at just 6 weeks. She was very small and very agressive. She would growl and nip people if they tried to pick her up. She would bite you as hard as she could while she was playing and she was a little wabbly in the hips. After 4 months of hard work, zoe doesn’t bite or even mouth anymore, zoe is a very nice sized rotty pup weighing in at 49 pounds at only 4 months old and walks great, no wabble to her step anymore.
Greta is a 2 year old rottweiler. She was abused, the previous owner burnt her with cigarettes and hit her in the head breaking a beer bottle and slicing her face open. Even after all that abuse she is still sweet as ever and loves to be around other dogs.
Here are some older and more recent pics of zoe....
I have no pics of greta and my camera is broke so I’ll get some with my phone if I can.
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10/18/09 03:28pm
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#2085808
Ghastly
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2085540
Why do we
My answer for this is people are just small minded, self absorbed scums of the earth! I cant stand people, i am not a people person, i hate events eg. Festivals where i have to be around lots in general i am ashamed of who i am just shearly because i have 2 legs and we are top of the food chain and think we can do as we please and think that everything is ours for the taking!
People insist on breeding dogs because 1) they think its good for the dog to have a litter 2) they think there dog(s) are/is cute and everyone wants abit of it/them 3) because some of us are stupid and dont think about what will happen to the pup in the future just aslong as we get a few bucks!
Most people dont want a "second hand" dog as they believe they are there for a reasong eg. Aggressive (animal or human perhaps both), destructive, abused so therefore the dog is damaged goods, its hard to train so therefore is no point getting it to try and change the dog etc.
But i think it os just because some of us are ashamed to have something that belonged to someone else no matter if it is a ornament from someone’s yard sale or a dog/cat from the shelter.
So that is my opinion on why we keep breeding.
I myself have owned rescue dogs my parents always had rescue dogs are last was Denver a GSD he was gorgeous and tall like a Great Dane absoluty handsome! He was laid back never hindered you/bothered you he just loved to mind his own buissiness, we had to take him back to the shelter as he had strong abandonment issue he chewed & clawed through a 3 solid oak doors to get from downstairs to upstairs in our house he cane to my room he had a bleeding mouth, broke 2 of his back teeth amd had ripped 4 of his claws out. We tried to teach him he was ok to be left alone but as he was locked in a coat room for 2 weeks with no food and water before he was rescued it was very difficult, you could close him in a room with a glass door and speak to him but resulted in him breaking the door and glass going everywhere and he had to go to the vet to get a glass shared out his ear. We couldnt keep him we got a personal trainer, books the lot but nothing so we had to say goodbye to him but thankfully we got a call the next day from the shelter as a elderly retired couple had reserved him and there home check and personal background went well so in a weeks time he was off :)
after that escapade my parents didnt want to go through that again so they got a Chocolate Labrador from a show breeder, Cassie turned 4y/o a few month ago.
My very first dog Sacha was a Dobermann X Rottweiler she was gorgeous! She had a Dobermann face and build but had the Rottweiler muscle and strength. My aunt and uncle got her from a kill shelter but when my aunt got heavily pregnant and went on maternity leave and my uncle had to work more hours they didnt have the time to see to Sacha’s needs eg. Walks and play in the back yard although they tried she was putting the pounds on, so they gave her to me i was only 6 at the time but them just mentioning putting her in the kennel made me flood the living room with tears so i was told to watch the fish in there kitchen and round about 5mins late my uncle came in and said, "would you like to take Sacha home?" me being little and all thought he was on about just for the night to say goodbye but he then told me to have her forever and handed me her leash... It was just the best day ever! As i got older i did get more responsibility i gave most of my pocket money for her food and kept a little behind to buy her toys (which she never played with) and bone treats. Sacha lived until she was 16 she went deaf which never botherd us as she was trained with hand signals, she then went blind in her right eye but it was when she got bowel cancer she got PTS she was just miserable and it was eating her inside out and it was the best thing for her.
My old Dobermann Kimbå was also a rescue, a police riot dog that went to the wrong retirement home chainednto a oak tree in there backyard malnourished and dehydrated, a pitiful state! I was working at the rescue at the time she just got lifted out the van (she was all bone and her jumping out could have easily broken her front legs with the pressure) and i said i want her and hamded the money to the owner of the shelters hand. I didnt know anything about Kimbå until later but just seeing her and a few seconds of us catching eye’s until she was taken away i just knew she was meant for me. She played havok with everyone else was not friendly with them unless i was there then she just gave a small yet loud rumble and when with me she was obidient and playful like a pup, it was just fate!
Nelly my old Rott was also a rescue i got her from the same shelter as Kimbå, she was being abused at the age of 8weeks but as we didnt have proof ourself only what people had told us we couldnt take the pup away, then when she was 12weeks we were called to a field about a small black dog being used as a football it was little old Nelly we could tell by her signiture stumlbe/falling when she walked and ran due to the abuse so we just scooped her up and took her with us. I was Nelly’s fosterer as i wanted her to get the socialisation she never recieved, and she was just a gem apart from her stumble’s and fall’s you wouldnt have thought she was abused! She always wore a jacket saying she was a foster dog and if intrested speak to my handler, people spoke and enquired but they never wanted to meet her again. we found out when she was 16weeks she had a cancer cell on her brain proberly ticked by her abuse she had recieved and what is what caused her to stumble and fall, it was just horrid to think. She was 25weeks when i had to travel back home with Kimbå and the shelter gave Nelly to me as a thank you and fare well present and they said i was the only person she really took a shine too and there was no point in me wasting money on her innoculations, food, toys, vet check up, puppy classes etc for nothing so thats how i got Nelly. Then she had to go for a operation a week before her 3rd birthday and she survived but died when she got home... A little part of me has gone forever when she dropped down in the woods amd she took that part of me with her and no dog will replace her what so ever!
I got Milla from a breeder in Poland, i was looking for another Rott or Dobermann but due to the new laws i couldnt get one which sucked thats why i got Milla from a breeder i never went to get her me and my friend just took the long road home :)
anyway i apologise for my long post!
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10/19/09 04:53am
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#2085854
N2t
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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2085808
Why do we
Nothing wrong with not doing a rescue. Sure there are some great dogs, and I currently own a pitbull rescue that I’ve had for four years, but look at it in another way. Not all dogs are purchased to be housepets. Bird hunters often want puppies because it’s easier to train a dog from a young age, and you can get a dog from a proven line of good hunting dogs, something the pound may not have. Breeders wishing to produce clean lines can’t get pound dogs as most are not papered, and just like any good reptile breeder a good dog breeder would like to keep their lines as healthy as possible, which means having to purchase dogs who’s liniage can be traced back to prove breed integrity and avoid genetic diseases. Many sled dog owners also buy from established breeders for the same reason, certain traits can be bred for and strengthened in a line, people desireing these animals are not bad, or less caring than anyone else, they just have different desires for their animals. My current dog is a rescue, he’s great, he’s not going anywhere, my next dog will be a hunting dog from an established breeder, because that way I know that I’m getting an animal that has a strong predisposition for the task at hand. I do understand where you’re coming from, but that’s an awfully broad brush to be painting people with.
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10/19/09 10:09am
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#2086417
LizaB2008
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Message To: N2t In reference to Message Id: 2085854
Why do we
I see where your coming from, but most people don’t get a dog from the pound because they want a puppy, not because of all the reasons you stated. There are people who breed for good purposes, but I’m tired of seeing people go out and buy puppies and then take them to the shelter because it was more resonsibility then they wanted and then turn right around and get another puppy.
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10/20/09 03:21pm
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#2086540
Abberline
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2086417
Why do we
bad breeders let their dogs go into rescue centre’s! a good breeder will always stay in touch with new owners and if they can no longer look after the dog/puppy the breeder will take them back to find them a suitable new home. the breeder of my girls is fantastic and i’m really good friends with her, a good breeder will also have a waiting list for puppies before they are born, a good breeder will also health test the parents and only breed from parents that have passed. i have had a rescue labrador who lives with my partner and is now a trained gun dog, my first dog when i was kid was going to be drowned because he was the runt so i told me dad and he took him. i got my 2 girls from a breeder, A because my breed are rare and B i wanted puppies from health tested parents. one of my girls is having a litter in march next year and i have a waiting list for my pups, my girl and her stud have been health tested and passed. my pups will only go to the best homes and i will offer lifetime support. please do not tar all breeders with the same brush.
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10/20/09 06:45pm
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#2086549
LizaB2008
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Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2086540
Why do we
I’m not taring breeders with a brush, it’s not the breeders it’s the buyers. I don’t support breeding dogs because of what I am working with now. Perfectly good dogs that need homes that will never find homes, because of your puppies being born 1-13 of the dogs in your humane society or shelter won’t find homes and will be euthenized. I don’t believe it is fair to the dogs in humane societies and shelters to have to die because people wanted to bring new lives into the world. Your a good breeder thats fine, as long as you know that these dogs will suffer because your puppies among many others were brought into this world. People breed irish wolfhounds because they are a rare breed, because of those irish wolfhound breeders, the 2 in my humane society will never find homes. Labs, everyone I meet wants a lab because they are such great family dogs, I tell them there are 30 right in the humane society just waiting to be adopted, they don’t want them because they aren’t puppies. hundreds and thoudands of canines are suffering because we won’t slow down the breeding. I think that breeding a dog without taking a class and having a license ought to be illegal.
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10/20/09 06:58pm
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#2086942
Abberline
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2086549
Why do we
my puppies will not cause any dogs to be put down as we have a no destruction policy in uk rescue centres unless the dog is extremely ill or so aggressive it is deemed unsuitable for rehoming, now that is not my fault and beyond my control. the breed i am involved in can only be obtained in the uk. i think there is about 5 dogs of my breed in the states and these people who got their pups have the right to choose a puppy from health tested parents with fantastic temperaments. my breed society also has its own rescue and no dog is put down. and just so you know i had to apply for my girl to bred and to be a registered breeder, i was given a home check by the society and my girl evaluated. if they refused or she had’nt passed her health tests i would not be allowed to breed her, also if i do not follow the code of ethics i will struck off
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10/21/09 02:02pm
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#2086969
LizaB2008
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Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2086942
Why do we
The UK is a little different then america, your dog populations aren’t as high as ours is. Some societys have the no kill policies, alot of them don’t. The humane society I work with is a no kill organization and don’t even kill the dogs unsuitable for adoption, but every other society with in 100 miles euthenizes if the dogs are agressive, to old, to hyper, exc. Things that make them harder to adopt out. I don’t know anything about your breed, Not really interesting to me so I wouldn’t really know. I am a powerful bully breed lover, my favorite is the bull mastiff so sled dogs and wolf type breeds aren’t really my thing. It’s good that your not aloud to breed if your dog isn’t healthy. Doesn’t really change the fact that the puppies are coming. As long as your not over breeding and are making sure your puppies only go to good home I guess thats cool. I still feel that only people with a license should be able to breed, that would ensure that the dog overpopulation doesn’t go overboard and not everyone could breed. Thats just my opinion. I feel there are to many breeders especially in cheaper breeds like labs and retrievers.
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10/21/09 02:39pm
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#2086972
Ghastly
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Message To: Abberline In reference to Message Id: 2086942
Why do we
we have a no destruction policy in uk rescue centres
if i may say when i was in the UK for my vet course a couple of years ago i used to help Bullmastiff rescue, they get alot of dogs in there care that they rescue from kill sgelters that are ran by the UK goverment. Now these dogs were friendly, learned boundries quick, eager to please type of dogs, they were never aggressive, over protective nir a strong gaurding instinct, they were being rescued as if they didnt find a new hone within 7days they would be euthanised just so there was some room for the next mutt to come along. Thats why Mike (owner) would rescue these dogs and take them under his wing no matter if they were Bullmastiff, Dogue de Bourdeaux, Neapolitan or mixs of these breeds.
I dont mean for me to sound as if i am interfearing or trying to cause something but it happens same as the UK American Bulldog rescue they face that also which is runned by Ann. I just thought i would clear
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10/21/09 02:43pm
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#2086982
LizaB2008
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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2086972
Why do we
Your not interfearing ghast. Your expressing you opinion just as I did. I don’t mind at all :)
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10/21/09 02:53pm
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#2087013
Ghastly
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2086982
Why do we
:) cheers
i just dont want to sound as if i am trying to contradict someone (im not that type of person that likes to show someone up) plus as i dont live in the UK i only studied there for 4years i dont want to sound as if i am miss no it all about a country i dont live in... Hopefully that all makes sense
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10/21/09 03:42pm
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#2087036
LizaB2008
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Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 2087013
Why do we
Does to me :)
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10/21/09 04:20pm
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#2087451
Abberline
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2087036
Why do we
yes the council pounds will put a dog to sleep if it is’nt claimed within 7 days and it makes my blood boil, but breed rescue societies and rescue centre’s like dogs trust have no destruction policy. i will not be over breeding my dogs, they will have 1, maybe 2 litters max in their life time and will be spayed after. as i said before i have a waiting list for my puppies and they will only go to the best homes, if for any reason they can no longer look after the dog no matter what age i will take him/her back and find him/her a suitable new home. i’ve turned alot of people down that wanted to go on my waiting list as i dont think they would be the right owners. you can get a licence here from the council if you breed more than 6 litters a year, but these people are mostly puppy farmers and breed their dogs every season. all my puppy owners will be made to sign a contract with breeding restrictions that can only be lifted by me and the society and also to make sure they return the dog to me if they can no longer look after him/her. alot of people get rescue NI’s through the society, not just puppies. they usually end up in the society rescue due to the death of a breeder or they are unregistered NI’s that have’nt been registered with the society and the breeders refuse to take them back so they come to us. there are only 500 or so registered NI’s, not to pick but NI’s are not sled dogs, they were bred as a family companion :)
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10/22/09 11:40am
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#2089349
GodsGirl4ever
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Message To: LizaB2008 In reference to Message Id: 2085228
Why do we
I agree and I volunteer at our local pound. There are several rescue groups that pull dogs and cats from there, but still every week there are animals that lose their lives there. It breaks my heart when you know one of the dogs is soo sweet and willing to learn and smart, but then they don’t get out of there in time and get put to sleep. And it’s true, they really do have pure bred dogs there. While you may not get the paper for them they are pure bred. Please consider getting a dog or puppy from the pound. Also its much cheaper. our website is nchsrescue .org (no spaces.)
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10/28/09 02:03pm
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#2089565
LizaB2008
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Message To: GodsGirl4ever In reference to Message Id: 2089349
Why do we
Tell me about it, we just had a purebred brittany spanial come in, papers and all. Why would somebody get rid of that?
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10/28/09 11:53pm
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