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 #2106166


Ammeratsu
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 Bad Decision?

So since Erin left us, we’ve been thinking about getting another dog. We’ve grown used to having three dogs, and having two is just strange.

So we want to get a great Pyrenese puppy. The thing is, we know Rikka won’t accept another dog. She’d rip it to pieces. So we were thinking that when Rikka has her puppies, maybe we’ll introduce her to a little great Pyrenese puppy. I figure maybe her maternal instincts will make her less aggressive towards it.

But I’m wary of doing it because I’m afraid she’ll feel threatened and just be even more protective over her litter.

Is there a way, or should we just settle with the dogs we have?
12/18/09  07:38pm

 #2106190


RubberDuckey273
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106166


 Bad Decision?

Personally, i would wait until after Rikka has her puppies. weren’t you saying before that you thought you wanted to keep one? she may or may not take to a new puppy if its not hers.

if you wait, you might find that you fall in love with one of Rikka’s pups. that would be much better than getting another puppy, since Rikka’s puppies are going to need homes anyway. if you decide not to keep one of her puppies, you can always consider getting your GP puppy later. and, its going to be crazy enough as it is for you to have Rikka’s little ones running around without worrying about another puppy as well.





12/18/09  09:31pm

 #2106217


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106190


 Bad Decision?

I did want to keep one, but my mom brought up a good point; What if he grows up to be a livestock killer, just like Erin? I hate to say it, but I don’t trust mutts AT ALL around the livestock, because I don’t know what breeds they have in them. I trust Rikka and Ayla around the livestock only because they practically live with them all the time and have never taken a tooth to any of them, not even the tiny babies. I wanted to get a GP puppy, because I know they’re bred for guarding livestock which gives me a much better chance of having a dog that won’t attack them.

I wanted to get the puppy when she had her litter, because I thought she might be less aggressive towards puppies when she had puppies of her own. I know that she’ll never accept another dog, and it’s too dangerous to try. She would shred a puppy to pieces the moment it came near her family. And if we got a full grown GP, I’m afraid there would be a dog fight, between really big dogs.

I still do want one of Rikka’s sons, but I’m afraid of what a mix breed would do to the livestock when he got older.
12/19/09  12:21am

 #2106230


RubberDuckey273
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106217


 Bad Decision?

i see your point. it would be really sad to have to give up another dog.

the problem with introducing a puppy to a new mother is that their hormones make them even more unpredictable than normal. i honestly think you’d have a better chance introducing a new puppy to Rikka after her puppies have gone off to their new homes rather than while she still has them.

you could always try to have a test done to find out what kind of mix the puppies are once they’re born and go from there. look into dog DNA testing, dog breed testing, etc. they obviously cant test for every know breed, but they do test for the most common.

it sounds like a Great Pyrenees would be an excellent choice though. you say that Rikka will tear the puppy up; what has happened as far as dog aggression with her? most dogs will eventually get used to new dogs, and if you wait until after Rikka’s pups are gone, she might be more receptive to "adopting" a new puppy since she’ll probably be missing her babies.

one of our customers had a tibetan mastiff that was very dog aggressive, and we had to be extremely careful how close we walked him to other dogs, because he could be so dangerous. but the owner decided to get another dog (a cocker mix) and they slowly introduced the puppy to him until he was used to her. once he got used to her, she became his little sister.

as long as you go about introducing Rikka to a new puppy slowly, carefully and calmly, she should eventually accept it. however, if you go that route, make sure that whoever you get the puppy from will take the puppy back in the event that Rikka wont accept it, and will at least give you a partial refund.



12/19/09  02:33am

 #2106232


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106230


 Bad Decision?

The reason I think she will hurt the puppy is because she’s VERY dog aggressive and protective of us. Once, I had my dad’s CKC spaniels up here. She was fine with them at first. She growled a little and lifted her lip, but she never went after them. Then, they started jumping on me and she just snapped. She grabbed one, threw him across the room, grabbed the other by the shoulder, pinned him down, and started shaking her head violently. Luckily the injuries were minor, but it was scary. And whenever we go to the vet, I have to keep her on a short leash. If another dog reaches forward to sniff her, she’ll start snarling and barking and growling and lunging at the dog until I drag her away. Then she’ll just stand on the other side of the room with her fur bristling and standing rigid, staring at the other dogs.

We’ll have to see about the GP. We couldn’t get it by the time she has her litter anyways. She’s farther along than we thought.
12/19/09  02:41am

 #2106235


RubberDuckey273
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106232


 Bad Decision?

well it sounds like its more a protectiveness of you than just general aggression. that may make it easier to get her use to a new puppy, but it might be better, if she’s only protective of you, for someone else to do the first introductions.

if Rikka responds well to treats, you could reward her when she shows good behavior around the puppy, and lots of praise. if she growls, tell her no, then remove the puppy from the room and stop giving her treats. ignore her for a few minutes. then, bring the puppy back in the room and give Rikka lots of praise and start giving her treats again. keep doing that, for maybe 15 minutes at a time. you want Rikka to associate the puppy with praise and treats.

there’s a lot of stuff you can do to help Rikka get used to a new member of the family, but you have time to figure out what you want to do.
12/19/09  02:57am

 #2106236


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106235


 Bad Decision?

She’s protective of everyone in her family. Akitas are family guard dogs, after all. We’re just going to have to be cautious if we do decide to get a GP.

She responds well to treats sometimes. The only treat that will motivate her is seaweed. Is that okay to give her? I gave her some as a joke once. You know, Akitas are a Japanese breed and people eat a lot of seaweed in Japan, so I gave her a little and she went crazy for it. Can I use that?
12/19/09  03:03am

 #2106240


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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106236


 Bad Decision?

if she likes it and you dont give her too much, i dont see why not. i know some dog foods have seaweed in them.

i know what you mean. my boss’s akita is protective of not only her and her husband, but me and my coworker who are like her extended family. there’s a reason they used them as babysitters for the royal children =)



12/19/09  03:41am

 #2106295


LizaB2008
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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106240


 Bad Decision?

It may or may not be a bad idea. She may may get overly agressive with it because it’s a threat to her puppies. One of my rescues killed my kitten over her puppies, she never bother them before but.... It happened. If she is already agressive towards new dogs, honestly I wouldn’t chance it. I would keep one of the puppies before I would get a strange puppy.



12/19/09  12:52pm

 #2106297


LizaB2008
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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106240


 Bad Decision?

The thing about mutts being livestock killers really ticks me off, I have a cattle dog/ pitbull mix and he doesn’t bother live stock. It’s all in how you raise and train them, you’ll have that puppy from birth, you can train it be be the best dog you’ve ever had. That cattledog mix I have, he was potty trained by 5 months, he listens to every command and stays with you at all times. Mutts are not bad dogs, their some of the best dogs, you have to give them a chance. Do disriminate against them because one did something bad. to me thats just stupid.



12/19/09  12:56pm

 #2106305


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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106297


 Bad Decision?

I agree with LizaB2008 just expose them to the live stock at a young age, and they should realize they are not prey.

And with regards to Rikka I think you may have a problem, to me it sounds like she thinks she is pack leader. Also with the gp they are not push overs once that pup(if you do decide to get it)is old enough it will have no problem defending itself against a Rikka, considering they get quite a bit larger and are bred to be bold enough and strong to chase away wolves and bears, the gp could do serious damage to an Akita.

Just wanted to point somethings out!!!!goodluck either way
12/19/09  01:20pm

 #2106307


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106297


 Bad Decision?

I have to disagree. It’s not all about how you raise them. Sometimes, it’s just the dog’s instincts. The mutt I had killed a baby goat and a full grown sheep. She could NOT be trusted around the livestock once she reached about 8 months of age. The moment she got away from us, she would maul a sheep or goat. We had this dog since she was 2 months old. She was around the livestock EVERY day. She was trained with them, and everything. But once she got older, her instinct was too strong. It was nothing we did wrong. It’s just how she was.

I’m not saying mutts are bad dogs. I have a mutt, and she’s a really good dog. What I mean is that you don’t know the breeds, and different breeds tend to have different temperaments.

I will stay firm to the belief that I can’t trust mutts around my livestock(besdies Ayla, my mutt) because I don’t know what breeds they have in them, and some breeds are more likely to kill livestock than others.

Personally, I prefer purebred dogs. But I have nothing against mutts, because I love my mutt to death.

ANY dog can be a livestock killer. Not just mutts. Out of the three dogs I had, two turned out to be trustworthy and one didn’t. My point is, I don’t know if I’m willing to bring in another dog that might kill my livestock. A GP wouldn’t They’re bred to guard livestock. Mutts aren’t.

By the way, I’m not judging mutts because of what one did. I have a mutt that I trust 100% around my livestock. I was saying that I didn’t trust another dog that might kill my livestock. And yes, I do think that mutts are more likely, because you have no idea what breeds they are, and that makes a big impact on it.
12/19/09  01:24pm

 #2106411


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106307


 Bad Decision?

You can trust mutts, if the puppy see’s that it’s mother and the other dog don’t go after live stock and you correct the puppy for even looking at the live stock it won’t happen. i had a wold hybrid a few years back, yeah, a real wolf hybrid with real wolf in him, mom was arctic wolf, dad was timber wold/gsd. He never tried to kill another animal, let alone live stock even though it was his instinct, I’ll admit he chased the cat and was very dominant, but he never once tried to kill. It also depends on the sex of the dog, female dogs, much like wolves are pack leaders and it is their job to go out for the kill. Males are less likely to have a predatorial instint then a female will.

It is in the way you raise the dog, you will have that puppy from birth, which means you can expose it to the live stock at a young age, teach it that live stock is part of your pack and not food. Raising a puppy from birth will benifit you in several ways. I would not bring an unfamiliar dog into the pack if you Akita is the way she is with other dogs, because trust me, an overly dominat female will kill another animal, even a dog if she feels it is a threat to her pack. Thats why it would be wiser to keep one of the puppies. If your so untrusting of mixed breed canines then maybe you shouldn’t have made it possible for your purebred dog to bred with another dog not of her breed. Your not to blame for that, I know. There is no dog that has the predatorial insticts that you claim they have unless their hunting dogs. Akita, shepherds, malamutes, exc. All the dogs you listed that she might be mixed with, none have those instinct. You need to be a little bit more logical then your being and think about what is best for your other dogs, don’t say you want a pure bred because your scared a mixed breed will kill a goat, say you want a pure bred for the looks, because the other theory is rediculous. Any dog is capapble of killing, just think of what Rikka might do to that puppy you want to bring home. I’ve seen it happen with one of my rescues, do you really want that???
12/19/09  08:59pm

 #2106418


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106411


 Bad Decision?

A bit critical, aren’t we? I am not biased. Some dogs are good around livestock, some are not.

If you didn’t notice, I was very upset when I found out Rikka was pregnant. I didn’t want her to get pregnant. This was the first heat cycle I had, as well as my mom, and she didn’t understand. Rikka got away. Everyone makes mistakes. I did not come here asking for help to be criticized.

I DO NOT prefer purebred dogs because they won’t kill livestock, as I’m QUITE aware that they can and will, depending on the dog. I prefer purebred dogs, because that is what I prefer. It’s called an opinion.

As for akitas not having the hunting instinct, I must disagree. Since they were once bred to hunt large game such as deer. But, she’s never hurt any of my livestock, so I trust her just fine.

I’m not here to argue. So I won’t. I’m sorry if I prefer purebreds over mutts. I wasn’t aware I wasn’t allowed an opinion on this forum. Every dog is different.

And obviously I wouldn’t let that happen to the GP. I may have made a mistake with Rikka, but I’m not irresponsible.

Thanks to everyone who gave me actual suggestions. I can’t say the same for the criticism of my personal opinion.

I won’t get the GP for obvious reasons. I would like to keep a puppy, always have. Just trying to respect my mom’s wishes. If she doesn’t allow it, she doesn’t allow it. But hey. Maybe for Christmas she’ll let me.
12/19/09  09:28pm

 #2106454


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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106418


 Bad Decision?

I’m not critisizing your opinion. You obviously misunderstood. I’m simply saying that you can’t say you prefer purebreds over mixed breeds because mixed breeds are unpredictable. Purebred dogs are unpredictable as well. I’m saying that if you are going to prefer purebreds over mixed breeds do it for the right reasons. Because they have a standard, because of their looks, because of their personality, exc. Don’t use the fact that they are "unpredictable" as an excuse. Because all dogs, no matter what breed, can be unpredictable.

I prefer purebred dogs over mixed breeds, I love mixed breeds, but I like purebreds because they were bred for a specific reason. They have a purpose. I do believe in mixed breeding dogs to improve and inhance s=certain traits, but not because you think the puppies will be cute.

I believe I said that her getting pregnant wasn’t your fault, as a matter of fact

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Your not to blame for that, I know.

I quoted it.

Pardon me if I find it rediculous that you or your mother doesn’t want to keep one of the pups for stupid reasons. Maybe if your mother knew the facts, she wouldn’t feel that way. But either way, whether you keep one or not. I wouldn’t be bringing a new dog into Rikka’s territory/pack. It wouldn’t be a very wise decision and hopefully you can see that. I am going to college to be a vet tech, I’ve learned about these things. I have had several rescues and dogs of my own. Hell, I have a rottweiler that is the most gentle animal outside of the house but is very over protective in the house.

The honest thing to do would be to give Rikka as little stress as possible, not getting a new dog would be best. Your going to have problems with her and the other dog...I wouldn’t make the situation anymore stressful for her, then it already is.

If you still think I’m judging you rather then looking out for the dogs best interest then i’m sorry. i have learned through experiance and training what to do and what not to do, If you would rather take opinion over fact then thats up to you......



12/19/09  11:53pm

 #2106504


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106454


 Bad Decision?

I’m also not saying that I prefer purebres because they’re predictable. I know they’re not. I prefer purebred dogs because they’re beautiful animals bred for a purpose. I’m not saying it’s more likely that a mutt will kill livestock than a purebred dog. I’m saying a mutt is more likely than a GP. I never said I liked purebreds because they won’t kill livestock. All I said is that I prefer them over mutts. Not just around livestock. You’re jumping to conclusions a bit.

Look, I had a traumatizing time with Erin, and I worked my hardest to teach her not to attack the livestock. But after an injured baby goat, a dead baby goat, an injured sheep, and a dead sheep, I’m starting to question that it’s all in the way they’re brought up. I didn’t say it wasn’t true, but I didn’t say it was. I have doubts, but I do believe that you can raise them not to. I just couldn’t do it with Erin.

I’m sorry, I must have missed that sentence.

And I DO want to keep a puppy, because I know I would work harder to train him not to do what Erin did. My mom doesn’t understand dogs much. I’m going my best to get her to understand their mentality. She also has her dog-hating boyfriend to convince her she shouldn’t keep one. I’m trying my best.

I’m perfectly willing to except that answer. The reason I came asking this question was to see if it was a bad idea. I don’t know nearly as much as a vet tech like yourself, so I thought I’d ask. I have to say, I’ve never owned an aggressive dog. All the dogs that my family has owned have been cocker and CKC spaniels. Not aggressive in the least, so I wasn’t quite sure.

I did feel a little bit judged. But I also see that you’re trying to look out for my dogs. And I respect that. I’m not trying to argue. I just got defensive.

I won’t get the GP. You’re right about what you’re saying, and I see that.
12/20/09  10:48am

 #2106509


LizaB2008
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106504


 Bad Decision?

Thank you for understanding. GP’s are great dogs and great companions, but if buying the pup is going to result in injury or having to giving the puppy back I wouldn’t risk it. Your mom needs to realize that it’s not her boyfriends decision. Thats her house and your her kid. If she wants to let you keep a puppy thats your decision, not his. My mom used to do the same thing to me and to be quite honest, it really pissed me off, because it was my moms house, she paid 90% ofthe bills, I was her kid and she wasn’t saying no because she didn’t want me to have it, she was saying no because he didn’t want me to have it. Thats why i was usually mean to her boyfriends.

She is an animal lover, not like me, but we as woman have a choice and we have the right to use it.



12/20/09  10:56am

 #2106512


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106509


 Bad Decision?

I know what you mean. It pisses me off so bad that she lets him make all these decisions. I try so hard to get her to understand dogs and their mentality. Even with Rikka having her puppies, it’s so hard because I keep trying to get her to help me but she doesn’t understand. Her stupid boyfriend thinks he knows it all with dogs because his crazy mother fostered them when he was a kid. But he hates dogs, and he doesn’t understand them. His form of training is physical(so I make sure they’re well trained so he doesn’t scare them into obedience). He thinks that dogs just one day snap and attack people and kill everything. With Rikka’s litter, he’s convinced my mom to take it very naturally. let her have her puppies alone, let take care of them pretty much alone, don’t even bother checking weights or trimming claws. It’s stupid. I’ve done so much reading on whelping and taking care of the puppies, and my mom hasn’t done any. That’s why I’m so nervous about this litter. It’s up a 15 year old that’s never even seen a littler born to make sure Rikka and her four puppies are okay.

In the beginning, when we first found out she was pregnant, I asked her to keep a puppy, and she said I could, and we agreed I could keep a male. But then her boyfriend intervened and brought up all this crap about why we shouldn’t keep one. He doesn’t even has a job. He lives here full time, sleeps till noon, and then plays on his computer all day. he doesn’t pay bills or even support our farm, but somehow he still gets to decide whether I get to keep my dog’s son.
12/20/09  11:08am

 #2106514


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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2106512


 Bad Decision?

You just need to stay focused on raising those puppies. Making sure Rikka has everything she needs, making sure she is taking good care of her puppies. I’m sure she will. Ignore him, he is ignorant, thats why the word ignore ins in ignorant. When your mom see’s how well Rikka is doing and how well the puppies are doing because you are helping, i’m sure she will change her mind. I talked my mom into keeping one of those cattle dog pups ;)

Just keep reading and asking the vet questions, if you need to know something you can’t find, call the vet. If you can’t get it from him pm me, I can give you my email or cell number. I really love how people claim to know everything about dogs just because someone they know had dogs or fostered dogs. If they haven’t physically worked hands on with them and recieved an education on them they don’t really know everything. I’ve done both and I still don’t know absolutly everything there is to know. All you can do and work your hardest to make sure her and those puppies are healthy and happy, and for now, thats all that matters. Thats what seperates a good dog owner from a bad dog owner.

It is good to give the mother her time alone with the pups, so that she can bond with them and nurse them, but it is also important for her human to bond with the pups and help her with them. That will make a more human socialized, more affectinate puppy. Because of you socializing with them from day 1, exposing them to their surrounds (live stock), and giving them extra attention. That will make them good dogs in the future. It gives them a good start, showing them the live stock and bring them around it when they are young will teach them to ignore it, it’s just a natural surrounding. The reason you had trouble with the other dog is probably because you didn’t begin bringing her around it as young as possible, letting her watch the other dogs around the livestock to learn that it wasn’t prey.

It takes time to make good puppies, you have that time. Use it wisely.



12/20/09  11:24am

 #2106664


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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2106514


 Bad Decision?

i understand what you’re saying about mixed breeds being unpredictable. yes, any dog, purebred or mix, can be unpredictable, however most purebred dogs follow a fairly typical personality type, while mixed breeds can exhibit personality traits from any of the breeds they’re mixed with, and like you said, if you dont know what they are mixed with, you cant always know what to expect from their behavior.

for example: my dog is a breed that was bred mainly for hunting. despite the fact that she was raised with ferrets and cats, she has on numerous occasions tried to kill rats, hamsters, birds, stray cats, and even the ferrets she was raised with. i did tons of research on the breed before i got her, so luckily i knew that there was a chance that she wouldn’t tolerate small animals.

now imagine if i hadn’t known about that trait. if i hadn’t, there’s a very good chance that the last time i went to visit my mom (who has the ferrets) i would have just let Signey loose with the ferrets, and she would have torn them to pieces before i could have stopped her.

yes, for right now it is important for you to focus on raising the puppies. i’m sure you will figure out what works for you, and in all likelyhood, if you keep one of Rikka’s puppies and raise it with the livestock it’ll be just fine. but your caution and bias is not unjustified. its always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to the lives of any living creature.



12/20/09  09:02pm

 #2107035


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   Message To: RubberDuckey273   In reference to Message Id: 2106664


 Bad Decision?

Why would you even consider bringing a new dog into your household when you have unvaccinated/unprotected puppies that would be very susceptible to many diseases and parasites? There would be no way I would even consider it, no matter where the dog came from and how reliable the source/breeder is!
12/21/09  08:05pm

 #2107036


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2107035


 Bad Decision?

I’m pretty sure this matter has been resolved, thank you.
12/21/09  08:07pm

 #2107083


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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2107036


 Bad Decision?

The matter has been resolved. But I am going to say that as long as a puppy has been vacinated, it is no problem to bring around new puppies.



12/21/09  10:02pm

 #2107182


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   Message To: LizaB2008   In reference to Message Id: 2107083


 Bad Decision?

WHAT?!?! That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard! Even if the dog is vaccinated/healthy, he could have been in a house/kennel/etc that has had parvo/coccidia/etc. He could easily bring it in on his feet, body, etc. ANY responsible breeder would keep there house isolated from any other dogs.

I have been reading these posts on this forum, and I am shocked how irresponsible/uneducated people are on here! To the OP- WHy the heck are you wanting or even considered breeding your aggressive akita? You call it protection aggression, I call it irresponsible ownership who doesnt know how to handle their dog!

These types of posts are the reason I do not visit this forum very much. They just upset me with the ignorance of the members!
12/22/09  09:01am

 #2107184


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2107182


 Bad Decision?

Chill your beans.
12/22/09  09:05am

 #2107187


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 2107184


 Bad Decision?

Oh, and I just caught something I felt like replying to.

What do you mean, "why am I considering breeding my aggressive akita? Akita’s are "aggressive"(protective) by nature! It’s in every description of akitas you’ll find. If I had a dog that wasn’t protective at all, I wouldn’t consider breeding that one, because that’s not how the breed was bred to be. I consider breeding Rikka because she is an excellent and healthy example of her breed, temperament and appearance. You call it irresponsible of me because my dog as the typical temperament for her breed. Oh, excuse me for having a good quality animal.
12/22/09  09:18am

 #2107188


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   Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2107182


 Bad Decision?

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the OP- WHy the heck are you wanting or even considered breeding your aggressive akita?



first off you state that you look through the forum perhaps if you looked through it with the clouds cleared from your eyes you would have seen a topic to which inside it stated that Rikka got away. You may see that as her fault or you may not if you do well thats tough hamster brain accidents happen when owning dogs heck i know that and im sure you do too and im sure you have mad a fair few mistakes in your time no matter if it was a dog, cat, small animal or reptile, accidents happen bloody deal with it!

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I have been reading these posts on this forum, and I am shocked how irresponsible/uneducated people are on here



uneducated?! Some if not mist of us are educated in training or vet nursing and some are training to become one hich is part of these jobs and we learn from eachother. I myself train dogs - i have two Bullmastiffs i trained for hunting and i purchase Dobermann from breeders and train them in Schutzhund most are working in Europe as thats where i stay i have a handful of them that work in USA all are trained to be army and police dogs - protection, bomb detection and drug detection, all you know one or two of my dogs may be in your town! I also have a bachelor degree in vet nursing so shove that up your backside!!
So what do you have to show?!

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These types of posts are the reason I do not visit this forum very much. They just upset me with the ignorance of the members!



well im sure my posting is just the cherr on the icing! I think you will find that us here on the dog forum are close and always stand by eachother so obviously a stranger coming along backhanding is going to set one of us off! Plus if you dont like it on here that much but despite its a free country sometimes silence is the smartest remark and if you dont like me or anyone else hey the feelings proberly mutual!

Merry xmas :)



12/22/09  09:21am

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FutureVet123
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   Message To: Ghastly   In reference to Message Id: 2107188


 Bad Decision?

I’m sorry, but Ghastly you just made me laugh out loud! I think ignorance is being mistaken for pride; as well you should be (proud). You obviously have a lot of accomplishments, and it’s not fair for anyone to say that anyone on this form is uneducated; many people, including myself, are young adults looking for some guidance and advice on the best possible care we can give to our pets.
I think it would be a good idea to nip this in the bud before anything becomes out of control and say that bottom line, everyone on here just wants to do what’s best for their pet.
-Peaches and Jeni
12/22/09  10:08am

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 Bad Decision?

Actually if you were ducated in veterinary medacine yourself you would know that the more you expose the puppies to the less likely they are to catch. I am a responsible rescue and have learned several things over the years that I highly doubt you would know. No it is not a good idea to bring any new dog in the home while their are new puppies in the house, but it’s not just just because of the comunicable diseases and viruses, it is because the mother will more then likely reject the new dog and be highly agressive towards it because not only is it not a member of her pack, but could be a threat to her puppies. There are alot of reasons for not bringing in a new puppy or dog into your home while their are new puppies...But we’ve already discussed that.

You have been reading all of the post and we’re all so irresponsible and uneducated. Her is a little information for your uneducated self. I am going to school for vetrinary technology/technician and have rescuing dog and birds since I was young and even now as an adult still do it. I know everything there is to know about comunicable disease and viruses. I have also whelped puppies of my own from both rescue dogs and responsible breedings, as a matter of fact I artificially inseminated a Great Dane. I have my rescues and my own dogs spayed/neutered ASAP. I am educated and highly responsible. As are mostly everyone else on here, this fifteen year old girl has done all of her research and got everything prepared for her dog to give birth, not something most kids her age would have the responsibility to do, most would leave it to their parents. I thing she deserves a good job for that. Not being critisized. I congratulate her for doing what she did even though it was just her responsibilty.

It was an accident that her dog got pregnant, and I sure if she did plan breed the dog she would have been just as responsible.

To be honest, we don’t really give a flying pig if you don’t come to this forum ever again. As a matter of fact how about you go do some growing up and then come back!
12/22/09  10:42am

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   Message To: FutureVet123   In reference to Message Id: 2107212


 Bad Decision?

Lol cheers Jeni :) i hate how when you write s h i t it comes out as hamster brain?!?! I have to admit im only 19 i will be 20 on the 29th i just count myself luckly for what i have and i have to admit ive had my money problems but your never to young to be successful. But im glad i made you chuckle :) i just get quite defensuve when someone who is never on the dog section comes along and acts like th
ey know best towards our dog section "family" :)

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I think it would be a good idea to nip this in the bud before anything becomes out of control and say that bottom line, everyone on here just wants to do what’s best for their pet.



ill go sit in a corner with a muzzle on because i can see me being the insinuator haha :)
12/22/09  10:42am
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