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Death Adder View Profile |
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| 08/12/07 09:58am |
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Amico View Profile |
Message To: Death Adder In reference to Message Id: 1399899 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/12/07 01:56pm |
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Animal_chic View Profile |
Message To: Amico In reference to Message Id: 1400187 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/23/07 03:02pm |
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KM View Profile |
Message To: Death Adder In reference to Message Id: 1399899 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/23/07 08:01pm |
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Animommy View Profile |
Message To: KM In reference to Message Id: 1416542 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/24/07 11:46pm |
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Kg28 View Profile |
Message To: Animommy In reference to Message Id: 1418255 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/26/07 02:29am |
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Animommy View Profile |
Message To: Kg28 In reference to Message Id: 1419591 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 08/28/07 02:14pm |
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Ghastly View Profile |
Message To: Death Adder In reference to Message Id: 1399899 An issue that is pissing me off
Pretty fine wording if i amy say so myself. Im glad someone else said it instead of me as if i said it there would be a whole lot of f-ing and blinding in it. But what im trying to say is nice job and good choice of words ^^ |
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| 09/04/07 08:46pm |
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Animommy View Profile |
Message To: Ghastly In reference to Message Id: 1431989 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 09/05/07 12:19am |
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Mr Aquarium View Profile |
Message To: Animommy In reference to Message Id: 1432261 An issue that is pissing me off
she doesn’t own and will never own anything like that that god, but she is one of the idiots who thinks they should have something just to say they have it to brag about, she could give a ratts arse about the animal in question, same goes for any animal/pet, be it hampsters to Exotics..... |
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| 09/09/07 08:05pm |
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Ambiguous View Profile |
Message To: Death Adder In reference to Message Id: 1399899 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/03/08 02:07pm |
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Ferndalezoo View Profile |
Message To: Ambiguous In reference to Message Id: 1646077 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/04/08 03:13pm |
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Crazygirl08 View Profile |
Message To: Ferndalezoo In reference to Message Id: 1647595 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/05/08 03:27pm |
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Gecko boy12 View Profile |
Message To: Crazygirl08 In reference to Message Id: 1649128 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/06/08 08:01pm |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: Gecko boy12 In reference to Message Id: 1650781 An issue that is pissing me off
Sure, three or four people are capable of committing to and proving proper care for some exotic type of pet. Where does that leave the rest of these pets that become the new "trend"? They end up being neglected, dumped outside, or left in shelters, just like every other pet people have decided to keep. Just as you shouldn’t keep chimpanzees, rhinos, tigers, and bears as pets, you shouldn’t keep any wild animal as a pet! They belong in the wild, and if you are really that interested in them, set up a sanctuary for endangered species! Volunteer your time at the zoo! Donate money to organizations protecting them in the WILD, where they BELONG! A wild cat will never be as happy in an apartment as it will be in the wild. |
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| 03/12/08 02:42am |
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Van_jen2005 View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1657926
Quote: Instead of creating a whole new type of pet with a whole new set of problems for people to screw up with and dump in shelters, why don’t we just stick to helping out the thousands and thousands of cats that are already suffering and dying because of peoples’ stupidity?
Sure, three or four people are capable of committing to and proving proper care for some exotic type of pet. Where does that leave the rest of these pets that become the new "trend"? They end up being neglected, dumped outside, or left in shelters, just like every other pet people have decided to keep. Just as you shouldn’t keep chimpanzees, rhinos, tigers, and bears as pets, you shouldn’t keep any wild animal as a pet! They belong in the wild, and if you are really that interested in them, set up a sanctuary for endangered species! Volunteer your time at the zoo! Donate money to organizations protecting them in the WILD, where they BELONG! A wild cat will never be as happy in an apartment as it will be in the wild. Now I do believe that there are to many animials in need of a good home........but dogs, cats, lizards where all wild at one point in time....and if we should only own domestic animials than I guess we shouldnt own any......I think if you rescue a big wild animial and can provide for it there is nothing wrong with it.......I wouldnt trap a wild animial and keep it........ |
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| 03/12/08 02:09pm |
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Golden coqui ace View Profile |
Message To: Van_jen2005 In reference to Message Id: 1658257 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/13/08 09:20pm |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: Golden coqui ace In reference to Message Id: 1660076 An issue that is pissing me off
Quote: Most common people do not have the right knowledege to care an animal such as a lion, tiger lynx, or bob cat and the animal whinds up ill, deformed or worse, dead.
I AGREE!! Although, I think ill and deformed are actually worse than dead... Wild animals should not be kept as pets for any reason. I spent a summer living and working in a wildlife center in Uganda that rescued wild animals from pet homes all the time. Chimps, large tortoises, wild parrots, wild cats, etc. and it is NOT a good idea! Only a wildlife center or zoo that is set up with experts to deal with these animals should, and even then should only be doing it to protect threatened species, not to be spectacles for people to come see. People would bring their pets to the center that they truly did love but realized that it just isn’t practical to have a wild animal in the house. The animals were sick, depressed, and usually had stunted growth. I had the opportunity to work with a baby chimpanzee that was literally BALD from lack of nutrition. Here’s a photo of her, just cause she’s so cute. Her name is Sara, and I believe she is old enough to have moved to their chimp island sanctuary.
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| 03/20/08 03:17am |
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Golden coqui ace View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1668301 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/20/08 12:32pm |
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Dagobert View Profile |
Message To: Golden coqui ace In reference to Message Id: 1660076 An issue that is pissing me off
Quote: Yes there are still iguanas, snake and other reptile that are in the wild, but ones we own are 9 times out of 10 bred in captivity and are domestic as well.
Sorry, you’re dead wrong on that one. Even at this point in reptile keeping, only a handful of species are commonly captive bred with the vast majority of reptiles in the trade being wild caught. Iguanas are imported by the tens of thousands (many die in the process) for the pet trade and I don’t know of a single person actually breeding them here. And no reptile is domesticated, sorry. |
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| 03/20/08 07:03pm |
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Golden coqui ace View Profile |
Message To: Dagobert In reference to Message Id: 1669047 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/20/08 10:03pm |
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Dagobert View Profile |
Message To: Golden coqui ace In reference to Message Id: 1669326 An issue that is pissing me off
Quote: I don’t know about you, but I like to buy my animals from reptile breeders, not people who catch the animals out in the wild.
That had nothing to do with the point or what was said. Regardless of what you or I do, I was simply correcting you about your " 9 out of 10 are captive bred" statement. This is how bad information gets out there. Somebody makes up a statement like that (because you did make it up), and then somebody else will read it here and go spouting it off. Just trying to stop wrong info from spreading. |
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| 03/21/08 12:42pm |
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Golden coqui ace View Profile |
Message To: Dagobert In reference to Message Id: 1669818 An issue that is pissing me off
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| 03/21/08 04:14pm |
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DragonMyr View Profile |
Message To: Death Adder In reference to Message Id: 1399899 An issue that is pissing me off
Today people proliferate these stereotypes and gloomy scenarios about big exotic animal ownership when laws have been crafted that prevent all this stuff that went on 30 years ago. People need to move into today and realize that bans are overreaching now and the problem has been beaten into a bloody pulp so badly that now laws are having a massive detrimental affect to the animals and their owners. These misguided bans are forcing people to give up their exotic pets no matter how well cared for they are. People just don’t have a clue these days. Don’t you hate it how people who have never owned an exotic animal try to tell you what it’s like, how dangerous they are, or try to tell you what you should do? A friend of mine owns 2 cougars and is known to get death threats in the mail despite the fact that the cage is 2 acres in size and has a landscaped stream and swimming pond in it and there has never once been a problem with his rural ’fortress’. I met someone online 2 weeks ago that owns a Caracal and people actually come to his house and chuck rocks at the cat’s cage or his house so now there’s a ton of security cameras. I’m all for keeping irresponsible owners out of the fold, but the laws, bans, permits, and activists are getting more outrageous, oppressive, and impossible to comply with in many cases. Quote: Ferndalezoo
The average joe-schmoe can’t even get access to one of these larger exotic animals nor can he/she afford the initial purchase price, maintenance/food costs, permit fees, licensing, inspections, contractual breeder agreements, and the plethora of other modern restrictions. People who responsibly own exotic pets and did months of research have a BETTER chance of being able to handle their exotic pets because this person doesn’t subscribe to the abusive AZA notion that locking cats in big enclosures with the only chance for enrichment being staring at people throw windows is somehow the best way to replicate the wild and keep exotic animals in captivity. Ever been to Dreamworld Theme Park in Australia? Here’s a link: breeder.http://www.dreamworl and that goes right to the Tiger Island exhibit. These people know how to care for big cats. They spend a ton of time with them, much more than any AZA employee ever wold. These tigers will play fetch, go for walks, and even take naps with their owners. It’s the prime example of what can be done when you responsibly own and react to a large exotic animal’s body language. AZA institutions, rescue groups, and others don’t understand how to properly take care of these animals because they don’t take the time to interact with their animals which causes them excessive boredom and pent up energy.
Frankly, most zoos don’t even care for the big cats properly- the average joe-schmoe isn’t going to have a chance of being able to meet their needs the way they should be met. A lot of people have this misguided idea that big exotic animals, especially tigers, are wild and cannot be tame. Last time I checked, domestic cats had no trouble picking birds out of the air, leaving decapitated mice as trophies in or around your home, or using any of their other wild instincts that they choose not to use when in the presence of a responsible owner. In the past 16 years only 2 people have died as the result of a pet exotic animal (happened to be a tiger). ONLY 2 PEOPLE. The other 13 deaths were by zoo or sanctuary tigers. In the same time period 512 people have died as a result of domestic dogs. All of this is according to the National Safety Council, National Center for Health Statistics, and U.S. Census. Don’t you dare sit here and lecture responsible owners about the dangers of their pets when they bend over backwards to take every single precaution necessary and are doing a damn fine job of keeping their animals safe. Responsible exotic owners are a shining example of what animal ownership SHOULD BE like for every single animal in captivity. Quote: Ambiguous
Incorrect. Due to all the laws and international bans, you literally have to use a boat and transport the big exotic animal yourself. It is uneconomical to take endangered animals like tigers from the wild. Nearly every single tiger, lion, and a number of other big exotic animals are captive bred either by zoos or responsible people. Do large exotic animals, such as bears and cougars, that live here sometimes get taken from the wild? It used to, but the laws and penalties for doing so are beyond cruel to someone that gets caught taking an animal from the wild. It’s uneconomical and with today’s urban sprawl and gated parks it’s just about impossible to get away with this without someone seeing the offense, hearing about it, or tattling on someone that was involved in the event. It just doesn’t happen anymore when it comes to larger exotic animals. It does happen with smaller reptiles and such, but not very often at all. Society has grown up from where it was 30 years ago.
if you think its ok to own a big cat your an idiot. this is "exactly" the problem people like you who think its alright to own one because they have the "space" and "knowledge" but you dont think, its a lot more then that, this is just helping them get closer and closer to the extintion list. Quote: KM
Where can you buy a big exotic animal with just a credit card? I don’t know where you live, but these places do not exist in the USA anymore. They have been driven out of business. I challenge you to find even one organization that doesn’t do permit checking, contractual agreements, and/or inspections of potential buyers. Just one! You will not find one. There are no more official big cat breeders in the USA. The only way to get one now is to form some sort of relationship with a zoo or someone who already owns them and doesn’t advertise themselves as a breeder.It�s far too easy to purchase animals who have a high potential to be dangerous like bears, big cats, etc. It seems like in most places all you need to get a tiger is internet access and a credit card (well, I guess that�s all you need in any place, but that�s all you need from a legal standpoint in most places.) |
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| 04/04/08 11:30pm |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: DragonMyr In reference to Message Id: 1689873 An issue that is pissing me off
Yes, there will always be bad owners of every animal, but it is way harder to care for a wild animal and frankly, wild animals belong in the wild, just as domestic animals belong in homes where they are taken care of! Humans have it all backwards, caging wild animals and dumping domestic ones outside. Many states do not have animal protection laws that include wild and laboratory animals, so cruelty to wild animals is not a felony as it is to domestic ones. Sure, you can give two cougars a two acre cage and provide them with the right care, but the fact is that two acres is a teeny tiny FRACTION of what a cougar would enjoy in the wild. Does your friend provide them with live food to hunt and kill? And even if he does it isn’t natural and would be way too easy to catch on two acres. The fact is, they are still in a cage when they belong in the wild, and two acres really isn’t very much space for two giant cats to live their entire lives in. Are there native plants in the cage? Is everything provided that would be in their natural habitat? Is the weather identical? If you go to the ASPCA website, or watch their shows, you see tons of people with large, exotic, wild animals in horrible conditions. No, it isn’t easy to get a hold of a giant cat, but it is pretty easy to neglect one once you have it. Do you think it is just a coincidence that every single SPCA, zoo, wildlife center, and animal protection agency in the world is against keeping exotic and wild animals as pets? Link Link Link Link Link The only reason wild animals should ever be in captivity is if they are either rescued from pet homes or threatened or endangered species and licensed wildlife centers or zoos are working to increase their numbers both in captivity and in the wild. I spent six weeks in a wildlife center in Uganda with hundreds of rescue animals from pet homes or other zoos. These animals just don’t belong as pets, or in captivity at all, and cannot be provided with every bit of nutrition found in the wild, as much space as is in their natural habitat, or the ability to exhibit natural behaviors such as mating, living in large groups, hunting, etc. It is far more accurate and possible to replicate the needs of a domestic rat or a guinea pig than those of a lion, tiger, or chimpanzee. It takes thousands and thousands of years to domesticate an animal, and we really need to stick to the domestic animals we’ve already got that have been neglected, abandoned, and dumped in shelters. |
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| 04/05/08 01:32am |
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