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#534157
Senshokukiba
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 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
In truth, do you believe it is acceptable to own exotic animals as pets? If so, why?
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11/06/05 11:16pm
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#534160
Senshokukiba
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 534157
 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
By the way, I am not talking about lizards or sugar gliders. I’m talking about extremely exotic animals such as a Grey Wolf or an African Serval.
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11/06/05 11:19pm
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#535405
Sidstepp
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 534160
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
IMO, what would the difference be between owning lizards/sugar gliders and owning grey wolfs/african servals? O.K. husbandry and temperment are a given. But I mean in the way of they are all wild animals. Even house cats were once wild animals. Sure they have been tamed down over the years, but before that they were just as wild as a wolf or whatnot. IMO if you give the animal a happy, healthy, long lived life then I think it is just fine to keep them. (If you take good care of them) In captivity they get a better life than in the wild if you think about it. Not having to worry about when your next meal will be, predators, where you will sleep, ect... I know some (maybe many) people will disagree with me, but that is the beauty of having freewill.
*Sid
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11/08/05 01:23am
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#539051
EM-JAY
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Message To: Sidstepp In reference to Message Id: 535405
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
well since there has been man and animal, man has been friends with certain types of animal. like the dog.wich used to help hunt and protect tribes.i think certain animals have a certain bond with people. where they like people, they like the attention,and like the comfert we give eachother. sumone once said," u dont chose to own a cat, a cat choses to own u" if animals didnt want to be around, they could leave and not come bac, but most do. but animals like tigers, bears, and so on, dont deserve to be in a cage or home. they look beautiful in the wild, there natural hbitat. and people shouldnt get in the way of that. seeing animals in cages like at zoos, anoy me. but in the end, humans are ruaning these animals homes. and there is alot of animals that would be extinct now if there wernt taken in. so, its ok in a way, and not in other ways.there is always 2 sides to everything. but certain animals should stay in the wild, and humans should look after them from a distance.like not leaving garbage out, or poluting there habitats.
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11/11/05 08:37am
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#539728
Dontknowwhatsgoingon
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Message To: EM-JAY In reference to Message Id: 539051
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
i dont think tigers or lions or stuff like that should be owned UNLESS u can house the correctly and give them a big enough pen. i dont think most people can.
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11/11/05 07:54pm
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#539973
Jimi thing
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Message To: Dontknowwhatsgoingon In reference to Message Id: 539728
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
I was an owner of a bobcat, until yesterday when I took him to the vet to have him put down. Let me say that owning a wild animal as a pet almost always ends up this way. We had this cat for ten years. He was living in our house with us until he was about three. He was into everything, knocking things over and chasing the other house cats, not in a good way. Then he started to pee everywhere, even after he was neutered. He ended up outside in the back yard in a 10’X30’ cage where we got to watch him pace back and forth staring at us while we were inside, that in itself was very depressing. Soon we got used to him being outside, and it didn’t bother us that much anymore. Month after month he stayed outside. We found ourselves alienating him because of our child and other things going on in our lives. He was back there for about seven years without the attention he deserved. Well, this fall we noticed he wasn’t gaining his winter weight back and we were worried so we called our local vet and guess what they don’t look at wild animals anymore. So now were stuck with a sick bobcat that no vet wants to look at, either put him to sleep or watch him freeze to death. If anyone thinks owning a wild animal is fine wait until you have to deal with that decision. I loved that cat with all my heart. and he will be missed. RIP Moe, your in a lot better place now.
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11/12/05 12:02am
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#540963
EM-JAY
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Message To: Dontknowwhatsgoingon In reference to Message Id: 539728
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
lions and tigers shouldnt be pets.although they can form affection to humans.all animals can.but its too dangerous. think about wen ur cat or dog bites u, then times it by 500 puonds, and really sharp teeth and claws. even if they dont meen to hurt u, they will.
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11/13/05 12:47am
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#543692
Ferndalezoo
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Message To: EM-JAY In reference to Message Id: 540963
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
No one should have any animal as a "pet" unless they can provide not just adequate, but excellent, care and provisions. Most zoos don’t even do justice to the needs of big cats like lions and tigers. It’s nearly impossible for the "average person" to be able to do much better. I know a person who keeps two large (12+ ft) Burmese Pythons in a cage that’s smaller than what my adult male RAT lives in. To me, that’s just sad.
Correct captive breeding programs are essential to wildlife conservation, but the average "I want a lion for a pet" person should definitely NOT have one.
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11/15/05 02:35pm
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#543694
Water~
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Message To: Ferndalezoo In reference to Message Id: 543692
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
No people shouldn’t be able to but where I live you see it all time because there is no law against it. GRR!
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11/15/05 02:37pm
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#551001
Zephyr
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Message To: Water~ In reference to Message Id: 543694
 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Well, Im from the UK and there was this program on TV the other day with all these crazy americans on with Giraffes in the garden and tigers and one guy had a croc in his kitchen. I think its wrong to take animals out of the wild and keep them as pets. If theyre bred in captivity and they know only that then they wouldnt survive in the wild. But to take away a wild animals freedom isnt right. I did that with a mouse when I was little, it died of depression after 3 days. And as for people getting baby crocs and thinking its great, do they bother to think about how big it will grow? how much food it will need? Will it get cranky and eat you? Although I must admitt having a giraffe at the bottom of your garden shouts like a class idea! I always wanted a komodo dragon....I was bullied alot through school.....hehe
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11/22/05 01:49pm
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#1247005
Mark_0945
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 534157
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Quote: In truth, do you believe it is acceptable to own exotic animals as pets? If so, why?
It depends on the person and if they can give proper care and housing. If you have enough room for them. Some so called exotic rescues are nothing more than animal "collectors" trying to get free animals. Someone pays a pretty penny for an animal and well they are gonna treat it well unless they are completely insane or something and they wouldn’t treat a dog or cat or even their children well.
Some people can have exotics and be better for their pets than others are for their cats or dogs.
Let’s face it some people shouldn’t be allowed cats, dogs, or goldfish.
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids.
So no outright bans on owning exotics are not acceptable...... reasonable ownership requirements would be better. That way it minimizes black market trade.
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04/15/07 03:55am
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#1250757
Forpawz
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Message To: Mark_0945 In reference to Message Id: 1247005
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
I think a majority of people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids. People should have to have a license for any sort of pet or kids. Too many people get animals without knowing a thing about them or just because they’re "cool to show off". It makes me angry. As for exotics, I wish they were left in the wild. I wish people weren’t out breeding them and giving them to whoever can afford it. True, captive breeding has helped some species but that should be left to professionals. I think only zoos with the resources to give all the appropriate housing, food, etc. should be able to keep them. Don’t misread that, though. I think most zoos are inadequate and horrible. I’m sure there are some really good private owners out there who provide for their exotics better than those crappy zoos. I still don’t think it should be so ’easy’ to own one. Licenses mean nothing if you don’t know what you’re doing. If you really want to interact with exotics, work at a zoo. That’s what I plan on doing.
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04/17/07 10:34pm
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#1253268
Eyssa
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Message To: Forpawz In reference to Message Id: 1250757
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
For human safety, exotic pets such as lions and tigers should not ,under any circumstance, be kept as a pet. Even wolves can be too dangerous, attacking without warning. It’s happened before, and to prevent such things, people should not be permitted to keep such animals as pets. Besides, in the end, the animal always comes out on the short end of the stick, being put down because they were acting like... well, like animals.
Of course, other people will argue with me on the fact that they have kept wild animals like wolves, bobcats, servals, etc., saying that it was the best pet they ever had...
Yes, there can be certain instances such as these, where the animal as an individual is just as tame and calm as any old house cat. But honestly, not all of them are like that. One person might have a wolf that is as sweet and gentle as your average dog... one that has never hurt anyone and whom you can trust. But then there are others that have wolves that one day just turned on them. They are wild animals, and some can be tamed... and others can’t be. It’s just as simple as that. It depends on the individual animal itself.
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04/20/07 09:12am
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#1253573
Senshokukiba
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Message To: Eyssa In reference to Message Id: 1253268
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Well, in my opinion, I believe owning exotic animals is perfectly fine. I believe people who know how to care for exotics properly and can train their exotic animal should be allowed to own exotic animals. I think exotic animals can live perfectly happy lives in captivity, despite what some animal rights orginizations may state. When I was about five, my family owned a racoon. We had him for several years before giving him over to a zoo. We were moving so we couldn’t take him with us. His name was Draik. We cared for him properly and I think he had a good life with us.
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04/20/07 03:49pm
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#1285319
LupusBeau
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1253573
 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Jimi thing
That’s horrible what you did to that pour cat. Didn’t you think about how big and destructive he was going to get when he was such a cute little kitten? Did you not have a place set up for him to run and play when he got older at the time you purchased him? You caused that innocent life so much pain because you were unprepared and un educated. Or maybe not un educated, maybe you were told or read what he needed but for some reason failed to give Moe what he needed to be happy. It’s people like you who make it "wrong" to have exotic pets. That is a torture victim, not a pet. How would anyone like to spend you life outside in a 10’x30’ cage? LOOK at all this world there is to see!!! But that cage is all you get.
Ya know.... I’m just gunna stop there. I could go on and on but I don’t want to be any more offensive.
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05/18/07 12:23am
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#1285465
Amico
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1285319
 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
i think you should onley own a exotic animal such as a tiger if you are commited to it evan when it gets older because all those people out there buying them often get rid of them when they are not small that is not fair to the animal
but i don’t think you can actully own a big cat becuase if you want the tiger to move and the tiger does not whana move the tiger will not move
(anless you abuse it which is cruel like the tigers in the circes are)
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05/18/07 06:53am
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#1286988
LupusBeau
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Message To: Amico In reference to Message Id: 1285465
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
I have seen lion cubs for sale for around $1,500. Is that not sick? And they will sell to anyone.
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05/19/07 04:44pm
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#1293797
Luckymebeardie
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1286988
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
To: Jimi thing
I cant believe you would do something so cruel to that poor cat. If you knew you couldnt provide the adequate care for him after the first year or so, then why didnt you just get rid of him. You could have taken him to a Animal Rehab center or Sancuary. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!
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05/25/07 06:53pm
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#1312320
LupusBeau
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Message To: Luckymebeardie In reference to Message Id: 1293797
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
To everyone who does those kind of things to animals, I hope someday someone does the same thing to you. Nah, I hope you get it 10 times worse. You deserve it because while that pour animal had no choice to change what you did to it, while that pour animal needed your LOVE and care, while that POUR INNOCENT ANIMAL DEPENDED ON YOU, you KNOWINGLY/CONCIOUSLY hurt that creature. Do you understand that we have the mentality that they do not? We have the ability to make a good or bad choice, and by CHOOSING to not care, by CHOOSING to leave Moe (example) outside alone and get caught up with "other things in life" you TOOK his life. There for I do not believe you deserve to keep yours ^.^
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06/10/07 01:55am
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#1312727
Leira
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1312320
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Extremely good point. You know, I know people that would flame the heck out of you for posting that saying things like ’no human would deserve that kind of treatment’ and other bull crap, but I completely agree. You can never know someone elses pain untill you experiance it yourself. Then perhaps some people would learn to appreciate everything humans are privlaged to.
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06/10/07 01:48pm
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#1337461
Anarchy66
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Message To: Leira In reference to Message Id: 1312727
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
No, I think you should leave them alone. The absolute ONLY way I would agree to it is if someone was going to kill it, or was being cruel to it, and then you should take it; granted you have a proper habitat.
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06/28/07 11:05am
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#1338731
Jimi thing
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Message To: Anarchy66 In reference to Message Id: 1337461
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
If anyone was paying attention here, I was simply stating that it is NOT right for anyone to own an animal that should be left in the wild. Yeah, I messed up over 10 years ago and purchased a bobcat that at the time I thought I could somewhat domesticate him, guess what, it didn’t work out that way. The point that I was making was LET THE ANIMALS THAT BELONG IN THE WILD STAY IN THE WILD! I’m not telling people to go out and get bobcats because they’re cool, if you listened to me I was doing just the opposite. Before judging me, know that I really did love Moe and regret buying him from that fur farm in Montana (where his poor little life would’ve been cut short just so someone could kill him, strip his fur off just so someone could have a nice coat. I never neglected the animal in any way. As a matter of fact putting him down was one of the hardest things that I had to do. I should’ve spent more time with him over the time that I had him, I do regret that. The vet that I used to take him to no longer looks at wild animals, they use to but not anymore so now what? Should I let him freeze or do the humane thing?
Oh yeah, I explained the whole story to the vet that put him down, he said "you kept a wild animal as a pet for over 10 years, most people would’ve found a spot in the woods to dump him’’.
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06/29/07 02:44am
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#1340868
Dinox64
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Message To: Jimi thing In reference to Message Id: 1338731
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
If it is a wild caught animal either adult or young no.Orphaned animals if unable to care for them selves should be turned over to authorities.Now, if it is coming from a breeder that has had it’s stock for a length of time why not?
Alot of owning ANY animal is TIME,I don’t care what kind of animal it is.Then you have to take in account is it a pack(group living)animal or does it spend its time as a loner when in the wild?This will also have an impact on whether you can socialize it and bring it into a community atmosphere(your family,not the shopping center).
Housing an animal is another priority but I believe if its bigger than your foot it’s going to need to get out of or not live in a cage.It’s going to need a pen and even then it will need time out from that.To be able to do that is going to take TIME.Sad thing is once anything has outgrown it’s cute stage it is no longer of interest.Just take a look at all the animals just over a year old that are for sale or being given away.10 years is along time to have an animal.If that thing never tamed down and was wild as all get out you bet it would be a free(on the side of the road up in the woods)animal.Something like that will survive,it’s inheirant in cats.Putting animals down isn’t wrong.Do it to them all the time when it comes to old age.Better than their bones hurting and the illnesses they get.It’s humane,don’t beat yourself up, you gave that cat ten years more than it would’ve had.I don’t believe people should have whatever they want without showing proof of being able to manage the responsability of what it is.Sad thing is our government doesn’t do that,we see it everyday on the news.
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06/30/07 06:23pm
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#1348925
LupusBeau
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Message To: Dinox64 In reference to Message Id: 1340868
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Im not saying your a bad person or trying to judge you. But what you did was seriously sorry in my opinion and I still stand by what I said before. You shouldnt have kept him in a pen like that. If you couldnt find the time or money to invest in a nice habitat for him there are other ways he could have had a happier life. You could have sold him to someone who knew what they were doing, given him to a rescue, or even some zoos might have taken him in. I don’t think cooping him up for ten years then putting him down did him much good. Just think about what you would have wanted if you were Moe.
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07/07/07 01:58am
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#1349014
Jimi thing
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1348925
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Honestly, I called Cat Tales, A local rescue facility and told them that I would love to give him to them and even sponser him and pay $100. per month for his food. They never got back to me. I left them email messages and no reply. Money was not an issue at the time. I had him in a pretty large cage and was out there every day with him. I’m not upset at your earlier comments, well maybe the one comment that you wished me dead:). I still feel bad about the whole thing and wish that there was a better way of doing things. I still have demesticated animals and love them with all my heart. This is just an example of why some people shouldn’t get wild animals as pets. Some people do a good job and others don’t. I would never get another wild animal as a pet because I just don’t have the time to give it. Wish I learned that earlier!
The title of this thread is ’’Do you believe it is fair to own Exotic Animals?" and the only thing that I can say is yes for some people and no for others. Sorry if I ticked some people off here, it wasn’t my intent. 
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07/07/07 04:11am
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#1349017
Jimi thing
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1348925
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Honestly, I called Cat Tales, A local rescue facility and told them that I would love to give him to them and even sponser him and pay $100. per month for his food. They never got back to me. I left them email messages and no reply. Money was not an issue at the time. I had him in a pretty large cage and was out there every day with him. I’m not upset at your earlier comments, well maybe the one comment that you wished me dead:). I still feel bad about the whole thing and wish that there was a better way of doing things. I still have demesticated animals and love them with all my heart. This is just an example of why some people shouldn’t get wild animals as pets. Some people do a good job and others don’t. I would never get another wild animal as a pet because I just don’t have the time to give it. Wish I learned that earlier!
The title of this thread is ’’Do you believe it is fair to own Exotic Animals?" and the only thing that I can say is yes for some people and no for others. Sorry if I ticked some people off here, it wasn’t my intent.
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07/07/07 04:11am
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#1349019
Jimi thing
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1348925
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Honestly, I called Cat Tales, A local rescue facility and told them that I would love to give him to them and even sponser him and pay $100. per month for his food. They never got back to me. I left them email messages and no reply. Money was not an issue at the time. I had him in a pretty large cage and was out there every day with him. I’m not upset at your earlier comments, well maybe the one comment that you wished me dead:). I still feel bad about the whole thing and wish that there was a better way of doing things. I still have demesticated animals and love them with all my heart. This is just an example of why some people shouldn’t get wild animals as pets. Some people do a good job and others don’t. I would never get another wild animal as a pet because I just don’t have the time to give it. Wish I learned that earlier!
The title of this thread is ’’Do you believe it is fair to own Exotic Animals?" and the only thing that I can say is yes for some people and no for others. Sorry if I ticked some people off here, it wasn’t my intent.
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07/07/07 04:11am
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#1349025
Jimi thing
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Message To: LupusBeau In reference to Message Id: 1348925
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Well if I were Moe my life would’ve been cut a little short being born at a fur farm and all. Honestly, I called Cat Tales, A local rescue facility and told them that I would love to give him to them and even sponser him and pay $100. per month for his food. They never got back to me. I left them email messages and no reply. Money was not an issue at the time. I had him in a pretty large cage and was out there every day with him. I’m not upset at your earlier comments, well maybe the one comment that you wished me dead:). I still feel bad about the whole thing and wish that there was a better way of doing things. I still have demesticated animals and love them with all my heart. This is just an example of why some people shouldn’t get wild animals as pets. Some people do a good job and others don’t. I would never get another wild animal as a pet because I just don’t have the time to give it. Wish I learned that earlier!
The title of this thread is ’’Do you believe it is fair to own Exotic Animals?" and the only thing that I can say is yes for some people and no for others. Sorry if I ticked some people off here, it wasn’t my intent.
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07/07/07 04:14am
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#1349975
Babykong777
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Message To: Jimi thing In reference to Message Id: 1349025
 Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
i DEFINITELY HAVE A SAY IN THIS.i MORE THAN AGREE THAT ITS FAIR ONLY IN THE HANDS OF A PROFFESIONAL.i myself will raise a baby bear by my self in the future(im serious).Exotic animals stand out from everything else.and by crikey breeding them is what I can imagine a dream come true.
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07/08/07 01:41am
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#1359078
LupusBeau
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Message To: Babykong777 In reference to Message Id: 1349975
Do you Believe it is Fair to own Exotic Animals?
Well I can tell you are sencere Jimi Thing. I don’t wish you dead, I just get so mad about that stuff. But I am lost, first you said that Moe was in cage all by himself all the time, but now you said you went out there with him everyday?
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07/14/07 11:39pm
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