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 Silverfishies

I was just feeding my lizards today, separate because the male eats much more before the female can catch much. I was shining a light on the bigger cricket in the tank, hoping the female would hunt & catch it & noticed a bug I didn’t put in my cage was in there without consent. It was a normal sized silverfish, & I killed it quickly with a tissue against the rock it was on. I then looked around for more in the substrate but there were none, I got my light back out to continue my ’go hunt for that one’ routine. Then I noticed a tiny little white bug scamper across the bottom of the tank, again one I didn’t put in there. I chased it with the light, shuffling the substrate to see/catch/kill it. I got a few good glimpses at it, I may have even killed it or at least killed one if there are two or more in the cage, I can’t really tell. I’m about 90% sure it was a tiny baby silverfish. Ok, so I’m guessing the adult one I killed was a mommy, who had just birthed or egged recently in the cage & hadn’t found a way out yet even though they can crawl the edges of anything. There are NO other adult silverfish in the tank. What should I do, what are the health risks, how long can it wait. I have my first of four major Calculus II tests this Tuesday....

I just need some simple steps, what you guys think one should do with more baby silverfish possibly being in the tank. Using my common sense I’m figuring the problem could wait a day or two until I have ample time to thoroughly clean the cage. Jared I’ve been thinking some time on the sanitizing substrates & I think boiling the substrate should work. I don’t see any reason boiling the substrate & then maybe a small baking time in a pan, then spreading it out further to dry - as a process wouldn’t work perfectly to rid any parasites from any shredded bark.



09/11/09  03:43pm

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  Message To: _Jd   In reference to Message Id: 2070754


 Silverfishies

You guys ready for seemingly pointless info?

Upon a bit more researching I’ve found better information on silverfish that leads me to believe that the babies could have been laid a while ago & not recently in the tank, maybe long before the last time I cleaned the tank. Maybe they were laid around the tank’s location in the house, in a crevice of plastic in the tank, or elsewhere around the tank & just happened to get into the tank. Most likely through a light in the ceiling, my lizards main tank is directly under a light fixture built into the house. The bigger one was darker than most silverfish, maybe it means he was an adolescent, & still fairly young. I’m not 100% sure that the baby was even a silverfish because it moved so fast, but it was tiny, it was white, & it moved almost exactly like silverfish do. Good news is there probably weren’t a lot of them, they lay ’clutches’ with just a few babies, though all the sites with any information don’t really agree on anything at all except size of the egg*UGHHHG*. This may be due to the fact that there are like a million different kinds of silverfish half of them dating back to dinosaurs, they live for like 6 years, & each study has it’s own conclusions because of all of these factors. Still I can use the advice on what to do...

See my anger:

Info on silverfish from Orkin: "The eggs are laid in groups of two or three"... "Initially soft and white, silverfish eggs toughen and yellow after a few hours. In ideal conditions, the incubation period for silverfish is 43 days." "Upon hatching, silverfish are white in color, although they develop to become silver or gray in adulthood. Silverfish emerge from the egg fully formed, but smaller than mature adults. Nymphs undergo six or seven molts before realizing their full size and silverfish continue to molt throughout their lives. A silverfish may experience up to 66 molts during its life."

Info on silverfish from animals.jrank.org:"The eggs are about 0.04 inches (1 millimeter) long and are longer than they are wide. At first they are soft and white, but after several hours they turn yellow and then brown. The larvae resemble small adults." ..."and may live for up to six years."

Info on silverfish from micropest.com: "Silver fish can lay up to 50 eggs at one time, which can hatch between two weeks up to two months after being laid."

Info on silverfish from kiwipc.net: "Silverfish require between four months and three years to grow from an egg to an adult. Silverfish may live up to eight years, and moult up to eight times." ... "moult up to four times per year"... "females lay clutches of about one hundred eggs, usually in a crevice. If conditions are too cold or dry, silverfish cannot reproduce."

Info on silverfish from Bluestarbugs.com: "Adults can live from 2 to 8 years and lay eggs in small groups containing up to 50 eggs.... "A female normally lays less than 100 eggs during her lifespan of two to eight years and under ideal conditions, the eggs hatch in two weeks, but may take up to two months to hatch. The young nymphs are very much like the adults except for size and may reach maturity in 3 – 24 months. After each molt, silverfish must mate if viable eggs are to be produced (a silverfish could molt up to 50 times during its lifespan)."


The most ’trustworthy’ sites I’ll give direct links too. I found a couple .edu sites that had seemingly better information. entomology.ucr.edu which had multiple sections on the most common silverfish, their differences, & one on their close & strikingly similar counterpart, the Firebrat. The other site was ifas.ufl.edu which had more to do with getting rid of them, but contained a some very direct, clear, & organized information that has more to do with what I’m looking for.

I dunno, I doubted many of you had ever had this problem, because silverfish are fairly rare & mostly seem to stick to bathrooms and near pipes, but I figured I’d do some of the research if it helps you guys better answer my question.



09/11/09  04:50pm

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Jared T
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  Message To: _Jd   In reference to Message Id: 2070775


 Silverfishies

Never seen silverfish before. Really.

When it comes to baking and boiling, I’d boil first, then bake next. Baking will also dry the substrate.

Due to bugs, weird bugs, and other types of insects that are outside that I don’t want in the tank, I choose to keep my enclosures inside all the time. I couldn’t imagine having to treat my lizards, tank, and all tank decorations again due to parasites. GRRR!

Also, when you mist the tank, only mist the leaves. Misting the substrate in turn promotes whatever eggs that are in it to hatch!



09/11/09  10:00pm

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  Message To: Jared T   In reference to Message Id: 2070838


 Silverfishies

Yes, that’s what I meant Jared, sorry my posts were so verbose. Sift, Boil, Bake, Spread, & Dry...

Silverfish aren’t that common, I’ve only seen them rarely here & this is the first time in years. Found a tiny little baby silverfish dead their water cap tonight. I’m hoping it was the same one I was chasing through the substrate, if not i might have a few in there. But it can’t be very many because I only saw that same one a few times while chasing it & I found the dead one. That’s out of sifting through the substrate for 2 minutes chasing a stupid white bug, at least 10 minutes looking for the same dang bug, & another 5+ minutes during the half hour or so I spent tending to my fencies. Silverfish give me the heebie-jeebies because they live way too long, i’d be much more comfortable with seeing them if they had like a month lifespan or something.

Weird thing, my tank DOES STAY INSIDE for the most part. I have taken it out in the past for a little sun exposure, or for transporting reasons, etc.... But I have clean my cage AT LEAST once since it last went outside, probably twice..

I don’t mist the substrate, I don’t even mist anything really. I spray the sides of the tank & all the leaves and rocks. I’m still using my DeerPrk water bottles with a pinhole punched in the center of the cap. Now I even have a few different interchangeable bottle caps with different amounts of holes & different sized holes so I can control it very easily. Even the bottle itself is interchangeable. I like it better than anything misty. I can control the water stream & it leaves nice little bead-lets all over



09/12/09  01:53am


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