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 #2064927


Dragonmagic
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 Sick Frilled

Hi all, new to the forum, but need help. Am using a herp Vet recommended to me by my vet of 25 yrs. with my Labradors. Have a Frilled that I got as a baby in Dec. Everything going great until two weeks ago. 75 gal show tank 4’ x 3’ x 18" deep....plenty of greenery, outdoor felt type carpet changed every two weeks on the floor. Large water dish, a warm soak bath about every 3 weeks. 100 watt MVB with a red night time bulb of 100 watt as well. We keep the house at about 70 at night so I wanted to keep him/her at about 75 at night. Daytime is around 90 - 95. Misting every day for drinking.
Now has swollen eyes, labored breathing, listless, sleeping 24/7. Took to the herp vet who recommended a culture/Sensitivity. No results yet and on a .05ml of baytril IM daily. Will eat when crickets and worms placed in mouth. I am using an ointment for the eyes. I DO NOT want to lose this frilled....I feel stupid as I have shown and raised Labs for 25 years and have worked for small animal vets as well. Want to learn...please help thanks in advance!



08/29/09  02:14am

 #2065007


Kidmuathai
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  Message To: Dragonmagic   In reference to Message Id: 2064927


 Sick Frilled

how high is your humidity in your cage normally?
too me it sounds alot like an Reperatory infection. but im no vet. but u have taken him/her to one. which is a good start. also u may concider taking out eh red light. it may/may not make any difference. i know my dirl wont sleep with a light in her cage at all. but it dosent seem to bother most of em.



08/29/09  11:12am

 #2065039


Dragonmagic
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  Message To: Kidmuathai   In reference to Message Id: 2065007


 Sick Frilled

I think from donig a lot of reading on this stire that the humidity is an issue...or was.
I was misting a lot day after day (the only way he would get water intake).
Then not misting for a day or so and the night time temps down to mid 60’s.
I feel awful if I have have caused this...everything I read said night time temp 65 -70 and day about 80.
Now I know different from that. Day time temp is sitll only around 90 towards the top of the cage.
maybe I should have Lot warmer than that. What do you really recommend and find that works for your Frilled?
I so appreciate your help!



08/29/09  12:41pm

 #2065239


Pocochu
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  Message To: Dragonmagic   In reference to Message Id: 2065039


 Sick Frilled

What kind of UVB light are you using?...Some uvb light were causing a lot of health problems...Link

Be very careful giving the baytril IM...it can form an abscess at the site of the injection....You can give injectable baytril by mouth..It doesn’t taste very good but that’s how I give it to my crew..I mix it with a little baby food and give it to them...It’s just a thought...



08/29/09  08:14pm

 #2065256


Dragonmagic
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  Message To: Pocochu   In reference to Message Id: 2065239


 Sick Frilled


Thank you for the FYI on the Baytril. I went to the way other side of town today to a small reptile shop that is family owned for 25 years hoping to find out more. Boy was it great...so much to see and learn.
The UVB is a Mercury 100W. I have done all the reading about the compact ones but have never used one.
I will get some baby food and admin the other way by mouth. Easier on him and me too.
They rec a vet on their side of town that they have known for 20 years that cares for everything in their shop....long haul but I am calling for an appt. tomorrow.
How do you transport them to keep them warm, and not too stressed for a car ride? Probably 65 miles RT and then the time at the vet....



08/29/09  08:44pm

 #2065263


Pocochu
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  Message To: Pocochu   In reference to Message Id: 2065239


 Sick Frilled

After going back a reading the posts again.I’m thinking he’s dehydrated too....

You stated in your earlier post that

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Large water dish, a warm soak bath about every 3 weeks.



Do you ever see him in the water dish?...


Keep him well hydrated...it’s more important to keep him hydrated than worrying about food at this point...give him lots of baths

I wouldn’t try and feed him whole food such as bugs..at this point but what you can do is get him some baby food such as chicken or beef or even veggies (No fruit too high in sugar)......you don’t want to over work his system right now trying to digest whole bugs...

Oh and one more thing be very careful with the baytril that stuff is murder on the kidneys...How big is your frill? weight wise?



08/29/09  09:01pm

 #2065266


Pocochu
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  Message To: Dragonmagic   In reference to Message Id: 2065256


 Sick Frilled

Well LOL..When I take my crew on a road trip..I use a little igloo icebox and put heat packs in there with a soft towel..(heatpacks)---the kind you use for people) you can get them at Walmart or Target..... and then before you leave the vets you can have them pop the heat packs in the microwave..(I’m sure they have one) if not you can heat them up a little bit by soaking them in some hot tap water...

Gosh I hope this helped good luck and keep us posted....

Annie....>^..^<



08/29/09  09:11pm

 #2065381


Kidmuathai
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  Message To: Pocochu   In reference to Message Id: 2065266


 Sick Frilled

isis is easy to transport. i put her on a leash and she will ride on my hsoulder anywhere with not too much hassle. of course i have t okeep the car a bit warmer than im used to. but it works.



08/30/09  08:43am

 #2066166


Pocochu
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  Message To: Kidmuathai   In reference to Message Id: 2065381


 Sick Frilled

Dragonmagic, How is your frill doing?



09/01/09  06:59am

 #2071189


87rx7chick
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  Message To: Pocochu   In reference to Message Id: 2066166


 Sick Frilled

do you have enough heat. your frill dragon needs a body temp of about 95 to be happy. if not your frill will look very tired and sleepy most of the time, you will notice no appitite and if he does infact eat the frill will then throw it back up hours or days later. you need to create a sick tank in a smaller tank and raise temp up up up!!!! no lower then 85 in whole enclosure and as much as 95 ambient temp YES I SAID 95 AMBIENT TEMP!!!!!!!!

once that is achieved your frill should to a 180 a complete turn around.

my basking spot is 110 degrees at the very tip of the branch . my frill dragons spend a few min there before backing down on the branch to a spot of 105. they can tolerate the heat and if they dont like it they will move away.

i had same exact issue with my first frill dragon . if you dont correct this issue, if you do not give ample heat your firll dragon will die. or whats worse, will suffer physiological problems for a very long time. i am not kidding..... really i am not......

i am going to bump my sick and suborn frill dragon care sheet. i am really mad and disapointed that no one , no one of these "experts" gave this advice what so ever.. HEAT HEAT HEAT HEAT HEAT is the key with a sick frill dragon.....



09/13/09  12:17pm

 #2071194


87rx7chick
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  Message To: 87rx7chick   In reference to Message Id: 2071189


 Sick Frilled

i would also like to add that the red light at night may be causing stress. they need darkness to sleep. some reptiles can do with it some rather do with out it.

i recomend a heating element ceramic type other then the red light. but you’ll need the red light durring the day to continue heating up the tank

a 75 gallon tank should be ussing about 300 watts to keep it warm. 150s on eather side...

i have a 125MVB, a 75basking and a 60 wat home bulb just to barly keep my 36x18x40 inch enclosure warm. i assume yours is alot cooler then mine because you have less lights and more space..

this is most likely your problem......

also forgot to mention. high humidity is just fine... but you need to cut back on the humidity and let the area dry out completely before getting back to misting. by doing so you avoid risk of molds mildews and musky smells. i usually heavy mist 2-3 days in a row and let dry out completely sometimes it takes as much as 4 days. as long as your frill utilizes the water in the tank it is not an issue. you know the frill is using the water if you see poops in the water. if not then most likely the dragon doesnt know how to use the water yet.


i hope to god you come back and read your thread..... this stuff is very important and no one ever told you to read my post or gave you good advice so far.... i am so frustrated!!! i cant leave even for a week it seems...



09/13/09  12:24pm

 #2071480


Reptyelfreek
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  Message To: 87rx7chick   In reference to Message Id: 2071194


 Sick Frilled

It’s good to see someone as passionate as you rx7chick... but its alot easier to take advice from a humble person then someone who comes off as !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I first joined this forum you were the only one I wouldnt take advice from because you came off too strong (even through the comp) even though you have GREAT advice. I know you aren’t gonna like what I have said but just like your giving advice, I am too. But DRAGONMAGIC she is right. My little guy was sick when I got him and making sure I had UVB and lots of heat he came right around. Doesn’t take long. Be ready to feed it though. But unfortunetly I think these last couple posts are pointless because it’s been awhile since he’s posted.



09/14/09  03:38am

 #2071565


Axolotlsx5
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  Message To: Dragonmagic   In reference to Message Id: 2064927


 Sick Frilled

for 1 thing it shouldnt be in a aquarium set up, needs a screened cage for air flow



09/14/09  11:32am

 #2071668


Lelareed4
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  Message To: Axolotlsx5   In reference to Message Id: 2071565


 Sick Frilled

Okay, my goodness

First off, please read the post before giving advise.

Quote:

We keep the house at about 70 at night so I wanted to keep him/her at about 75 at night. Daytime is around 90 - 95. Misting every day for drinking.



That was in the first post. I think dehydration may have been most of the problem, with the RI causing trouble.

For members to post on other members post about how important they are to the forum is a little creepy. Okay, next on the check list after I’ve pricked an ego, this is an older post. This person hasn’t come back. Please someone tell me why the need for all the drama? Settle down people. 87rx7 chick, I understand you have your pants in a twist because of the spanking you got on the water dragon forum, but we are all trying to do the same thing. Which is help one another.

Now children, let’s play nice



09/14/09  04:15pm

 #2071777


Pocochu
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  Message To: Lelareed4   In reference to Message Id: 2071668


 Sick Frilled

87rx7chick

First off you need to go and RE-READ the first post again and if you do go re-read it you will find that Dragonmagic posted what her temp where...

Quote:

We keep the house at about 70 at night so I wanted to keep him/her at about 75 at night. Daytime is around 90 - 95.



Quote:

a 75 gallon tank should be ussing about 300 watts to keep it warm. 150s on eather side...




This would be incorrect, Frilleds along with other reptiles need to be able to have a range of temps, and the placement wouldn’t allow for that.


Quote:

high humidity is just fine




Untrue, as prolong exposure to high humidity will help to breed a RI


Quote:

no one ever told you to read my post or gave you good advice so far..




The people who posted did give good advise on what she was posting, no one pointed to your care sheet, because of some incorrect information and the fact that the website it quotes is yours and nolonger contains info on frilleds


Second thing, You know your doing the same thing you did over on the water dragon forum....Who in the heck do you think you are......With your attitude it’s any wonder why people DON’T LIKE YOU....I think more members need to go to the other forums on this site and just read how you "REALLY" are....You cried that you were being belittled & abused over on the water dragon forum(which wasn’t the case)....Well look what your doing over here....not to mention sending nasty & rude PM’s (Private Message)..Not only to me but other members of this forum.....

No One ever claimed they were "experts" as you put it.......But OMG you act like your the "ONLY EXPERT" on this whole entire site...you make people think your word is written in stone and us poor folk on here don’t know darn thing....You’ve only had your frilles since Nov of last year.....Not even a year and you think that your an expert...I don’t think so........You just need to grow up and do some more research....And get an attitude adjustment..people might respect you better....



09/14/09  08:21pm


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