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 #1691915


Jpf18
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 Pacman wont eat.

I got a new pacman frog who’s 2 years old already and a nice size. The owner feed him a pinkie weekly he said, so I want to get him off that diet. Turn it into a diet more of like a couple rosies a week and the occasional pinkie every month or so. He’s active, has a water bowl, ten gallon, coco fiber, heatpad, humid, basically anything a caresheet says. He burrows a lot and has a tendancy to go in his water dish and displace all the water out so I have to keep filling it up.

Anyway I have rosies and a few pinkies and he shows no interest in them when I dangle them with tongs in front of his face or rub them on his mouth (after I unburrow his face/mouth a little) . I even tried a superworm from my leopard gecko. The guy I bought him from said he ate a pinkie mouse before I got him and he pooped. He also pooped for me a couple days ago. So this will be like a week and a few days he hasnt eaten or shown any interest in food.



04/06/08  05:30pm

 #1692551


JackAsp
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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1691915


 Pacman wont eat.

It sounds like it’s more him than you. If he’s fullgrown, a week is nothing. He could go months without permanent harm. I’m not saying he should, just that what you’re doing probably will pay off and he’ll be fine. I’d say just stop offering food for another 3 or 4 days, then try another fish. He’s probably not hungry enough yet to get over the change in scenery. If you let him settle in and just sit there and be a frog for a while, instinct will remind him that he’s hungry.



04/07/08  12:26am

 #1692737


Hoppy
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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1692551


 Pacman wont eat.


I’m with Jack....

Sounds like a settling period stress... Give him time.... Is the tank set up the same as with the other owner? Sometimes putting things familiar helps...like a favorite rock etc..

Frogs don’t like change but if healthy usually settle in with time....

HOPPY



04/07/08  07:41am

 #1692876


Jpf18
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1692737


 Pacman wont eat.

Its a new set up completely so that it probably the problem. I just thought it was odd that he didnt even act interested, but it makes sense he’s stressed. I am moving back home in 3 weeks so I hope that doesn’t restress him too much (its just a 15 minute car ride) and he’ll have the same tank and everything.



04/07/08  11:23am

 #1697293


Hoppy
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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1692876


 Pacman wont eat.


Has he settled in yet?...Keep us posted..

On your trip home try not change your routine upon arrival for a few days till he’s used to the new noises etc... His tank for sure leave as much as you can the same.... all helps..
You can always change later..

HOPPY



04/10/08  07:34am

 #1697545


Jpf18
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1697293


 Pacman wont eat.

He hasn’t eaten yet : (. My girlfriend changed the majority of the substrate out last night because it was really really swampy from his water bowl getting tipped over. We stabilized the bowl in the subtrate so we shouldnt have that problem anymore. I’m just worried the change of substrate (we put him in a take out container for 15 mins) will keep him stressed longer. Last night he was sort of half burrowed, but his back wasnt covered at all. After we changed the substrate he just sat on top of it all night, but hes burrowed again as of this morning.

I was worried it was a tad bit cold (the dorm rooms thermostat says 70, but feels more like mid to high 60s) so I moved the heat pad to the bottom corner instead of that corners side.
Its under a part he typically doesn’t use, and the waterbowl covers some of it, so I dont think he’ll burrow into it and it be a problem.



04/10/08  01:00pm

 #1698602


Hoppy
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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1697545


 Pacman wont eat.


No.....You did the right thing.... You definately couldn’t of left him wet that could possibly make him ill....

The heat pad could be risky.... Could you possibly put a rock over that particular spot?.... Depends on the kind your using...some are very low wattage (says right on the cord)... I have several here that I use that are 8 watts to 13 watts... exo terra desert type.

Though these get hot the frogs seem to know and I do protect the area with something like rocks or wood.... Pacman though burrow more than the tree frogs I own. Did he have the mat with the other owner?

If its really a worry maybe get a lamp with an infrared light instead of the mat.... You still want a cool/warm side to the tank as much as you can.... Most do well around the 75f mark.... So if its 70f in the room it would be a little cooler still in the tank. Probably fine once settled but it could make a difference right now for sure if he’s under the weather...

Don’t loose hope..he may start eating anytime.. They can go a long period especially an adult pacman.

Just another thought...Is it possible the last owner was feeding him pinkies or mice monthly?.... Many owners feed them with huge spaces between feedings and then a big fatty meal...

Can you tell if dipping in the water at night?

HOPPY



04/11/08  07:49am

 #1698996


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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1698602


 Pacman wont eat.

Another option for heat control is to hit Lowes or Home Depot and get a lamp dimmer. If you dig around long enough or bug one of the employees, there’s always at least one simple, plug-it-straight-in model that doesn’t require rewiring anything. Then turn the heat pad down until you can just detect warmth. Rememeber, warm to them is still much cooler than our body temperature. It’ll cost you less than ten bucks.



04/11/08  02:51pm

 #1699126


Jpf18
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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1698996


 Pacman wont eat.

I wasn’t there for it, but he got feed a pinkie finally. Apparantly they prodded him with the mouse enough so that he opened his mouth and was angry. They they just put it in his mouth and he spit it out, but then ate it. I’m sad I missed it, and it had to be forced, but I’m still happy he ate just so I dont have to worry. The heat pad is just a mini exoterra pad by the way.



04/11/08  04:07pm

 #1702582


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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1699126


 Pacman wont eat.



Ok.....The mini is only the 8 watts its the ex-small..... Still be careful...maybe put a rock. Or Jacks idea above is great to use a dimmer if your good with electrical..

Just to let you know I have a mini in with my gecko in his cave area.... So its warm enough and glass does get hot.......

I’m so glad he got food.... That will keep him going for awhile.... I wouln’t bother him now for a week or so and just see if he settles in...

Though he finally ate I’m not sure irritating him in this manner is a good thing. It goes towards stress reasons and could do more damage than good so you be in control of these situations. I’ve seen how cruel some can be in dorms etc.... So watch him.... (Not saying that this is what happened but it would of been more comforting had you been there)

If ever your concerned on this you can put a suitcase strap or bike strap and then padlock it.... In this way, they at least can’t be poking him....Even if you never actually see it you may have sense that this is happening.

Hope this helps..... Even when a frog is forced food with a popsickle stick it doesn’t mean his survival....its actually more damaging. If it had been a month..force feeding is a possibility but is frowned upon in the industry. Frogs for self healing etc don’t eat....With human interference we can be damaging the natural processes.... Stressed frogs can go dormant/coma like to control internal issues like parasites from over taking etc... adding food can upset the parasite control.
It should only be used as last resort.... It must be said that most frogs will eat when conditions are correct... meaning that their habitat is ideal. Many that are moved from one house to another must be looked at like removing him from the envioronment he has ever known firstly and secondly that its no different in stress than removing him from his home....

I have seen frogs force fed drop dead without so much as the owners awareness that he was ill besides not eat....

HOPPY



04/14/08  08:05am

 #1713071


Jpf18
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1702582


 Pacman wont eat.

Well now that he was fed he hasnt pooped for a week and four days now... Should we take him to the vet?



04/23/08  12:23am

 #1713490


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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1713071


 Pacman wont eat.

Now there is muscus stuff in his water and he is sort of pale.



04/23/08  02:21pm

 #1714913


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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1713490


 Pacman wont eat.


The mucus stuff in his water is most likely shed.....that is normal.... Most frogs shed in private they remove the top layer of skin like a snake. They shed as they grow and to renew their skin. Its also a cleansing like if he was ridding toxins or medication as its a toxin to him..

As far as the waste goes..... No don’t worry right now on him not passing waste. Some frogs take a long time to pass waste (up to a month I don’t worry upon eating well).... Others like with young frogs use up every amount of fat and protein to grow so pass very little waste or none that can be found.

If he was eating right You would expect him to pass waste in a couple of weeks or before usually. Some though as said above even up to a month. After that point I suggest intervening but only with a mild laxative....

So keep me posted..... Lets get him eating first......

HOPPY



04/24/08  04:19pm

 #1715820


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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1714913


 Pacman wont eat.

I was overreacting sorry haha... It’s just she had another one die on her (baby in a different setup) so I really didnt want it happen again. He ate on his own last night. We went to petco and I wanted to buy crickets for my gecko. Well when we came back he apparanly had gotten pissed at the roommate. She said she tapped on the glass (more likely poked him but I didnt call her out) and he jumped up and hissed at her haha. Anyway he was out and about after this and I noticed some poop in his normal corner. Just for fun I put about 6 crickets in there (adult cause they sure were chirpin) and he systematically ate them all over the next 15 mins or so. IT WAS AWESOME! We hadn’t seen him so active or happy in the few weeks weve had him (compared to our babies).

It also convinced my girlfriend that she wanted to keep feeding him crickets instead of pinkies, so I’m really happy about that.



04/25/08  10:06am

 #1716767


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  Message To: Jpf18   In reference to Message Id: 1715820


 Pacman wont eat.


Hey better to overreact than not at all..lol

They are something to watch hunt..lol I’m glad he’s ok....

(Try to keep from making him hiss at anyone though....sign of stress and displeasure)... You want a happy frog that learns to trust not be tormented....

Crix are a great first food (most frogs are raised on them).... You can try to add other food stuffs once he is not stressed and settled. Once they trust they will try everything and you will understand his habits...

HOPPY



04/26/08  09:19am

 #1716913


Jpf18
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 1716767


 Pacman wont eat.

Luckily I’m out of school now like I said, so he’ll only have me to take care of him and no one to poke him.



04/26/08  01:20pm


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