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Keristen View Profile |
Mela fix
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| 04/24/08 07:45pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1715251 Mela fix
First I really need to know why your using mela fix in the first place.. Was he sick etc?.... How long have you had him?... Shedding is not something that is done in view at times.. I never see any of my frogs shed while others see them shed all the time.... Shedding with any medication is a normal reaction... To a frog its a toxin in their body when meds are introduced so shed to rid the substance.. How many soaks are you doing?.... You should be following the instructions on the use of mela fix on the forum here (in tree frogs section)... These must be followed to the T or you will make the frog ill or overdose him.. Mites are not really a common thing with frogs.... The most usual is springtails that appear with feces etc to clean the tank. They are harmless to the frogs however some find unsightly. They are however beneficial to the tanks envioronment. They are the cleaners of your habitat. It sounds more like these rather than a parasite/mite.... The only way to remove springtails is to strip the tank.... They come in on wood or earth products that are supposed to be sterile from the store. The reccomendations I make is that all wood products be baked to kill any insect eggs before placing in a tank. Bake at 250f for 20 to 30 min... Even eco earth is a common carrier of the springtails. So lets try back tracking..... I would say finish the mela treatment but only as I have posted on forum....I will put it here on this post..... I say finish the treatment even though he may be fine as its harmless and can be beneficial to control stress factors like internal parasites etc. As its all natural... I am presuming this is a new frog... The bark is a worry.... You would be better off using nothing or paper towel till the eco earth can be found, (bake it).... very risky for impaction with a frog that burrows .... I know you did your best here to protect him.... So really get that earth as quick as you can... Here is the instructions..... Frogs lose their appetite under treatment on occassion so you may find yours has. It should pick up again shortly once the treatment is done and his home corrected. With a new frog its vital to get his home set up properly or stress could cause illness... Keep me posted... MELA FIX INSTRUCTIONS: This is the instructions for using Mela fix....It can be purchased at any /fish/pet shop in the fish supply section and some walmarts..... Its also available on line... Please only use this once talking to other experienced keepers.....Its not a cure all... Its an antibacterial and works as a natural antibiotic and anti-fungul... It does help with some parasites but not all.. If things are caught early it can do wonders.... Mela Fix use instructions Its an all natural medicine (made with tee tree oil). You use it at 1/2 the dosage on the bottle (that goes for any meds for the frogs that are meant for fish). It�s very strong. 1) I measured 4 ounzes of de-chlorinated/treated water. 2) I warmed it in the microwave for 15 sec., just to barely warm it. (use a ceramic dish) 3) Then I took a toothpik and dipped it in the mela-fix twice and stirred the water. You should just be able to smell it in the water. 4) Then I got my frog and made him sit in for only 1 minute. 5) Then hold him to dry and place back in his tank. Repeat this for 7 days. This can be repeated only after a 2 week break in between. Also if frog is small tip some water away after adding Mela Fix... They should be able to sit comfortably.. The frog should be dipped when quiet and at the same time each day or close to....The less stress the better... But please print off for your files. HOPPY |
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| 04/25/08 07:52am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1715747 Mela fix
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| 04/25/08 06:01pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1716257 Mela fix
Hey I would rather you worry than not...lol So all good..... Sounds like he might be ok if out hunting... I would hold off and see if he’s eating over the next couple of days.. Try to watch or count the crix if you can... Keep me posted HOPPY |
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| 04/26/08 09:15am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1716765 Mela fix
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| 04/26/08 08:42pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1717259 Mela fix
Glad to see he’s on his favorite substrate.. Just in case can you drop the humidity so the substrate is basically bone dry for a couple of days. Don’t mist is the easiest way..... Its possible that he was too wet in the other substrate or that its from friction when moving around without the earth.. This way it would rule it out red leg regardless. He will dip when dry... He sounds fine but its best to be sure....red leg generally is very fast and kills within a couple of days. Its usually caused by cold and wet. So insure he’s warm and dryish not soaking wet. Most frogs have a pinkish hue underneath its possible its this. You can try googling underneath pacman and see if it looks the same. This might give you a better idea if normal. Many from digging in do turn pinkish too.... Keep me posted.... HOPPY |
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| 04/26/08 09:19pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1717300 Mela fix
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| 04/26/08 10:43pm |
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Gretchenellie View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1717420 Mela fix
are you POSITIVE that there were mites on his feces? springtails and other tank custodians will swarm feces and decaying material for food and to help keep their environment clean... if it was not mites, then there was no need for a melafix treatment. |
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| 04/27/08 05:23pm |
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Gretchenellie View Profile |
Message To: Gretchenellie In reference to Message Id: 1718147 Mela fix
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| 04/27/08 05:24pm |
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Keechoo View Profile |
Message To: Gretchenellie In reference to Message Id: 1718147 Mela fix
Also, if Hoppy responds we can all rest assure that our animals are getting great if not superb advice. |
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| 04/27/08 09:13pm |
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Gretchenellie View Profile |
Message To: Keechoo In reference to Message Id: 1718425 Mela fix
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| 04/27/08 11:19pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Gretchenellie In reference to Message Id: 1718548 Mela fix
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| 04/29/08 06:30am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1719883 Mela fix
The humidity low for a few days will be fine. Even in the wild frogs go through periods of dryness and wet.... They are exposed to far more up and down than we realize.. Certainly though long periods could be damaging so we don’t want too long. When under a medication regiment the dips usually cover any possible damage to kidneys or dehydration. In this case though we are just dropping for a few days without meds So long is not a good idea. Are the legs fine?... no ulcers?... If none then I would say its most likely just normal coloration or from him digging down.... As long as appetite etc seems well I would say your on your way.. If all seems fine increase your humidity now.... If he doesn’t seem well post back and let me know.... HOPPY *.... Please know all members are encouraged to ask questions and respond to all posts.... Everyone has an opinion and it all counts. I would rather someone ask in case anything is missed. Its always good to have second, third or fourth opinions. I’m certainly not perfect and really appreciate every members input. So please be polite to others... :) |
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| 04/29/08 07:09am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1719893 Mela fix
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| 04/30/08 07:24am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1720935 Mela fix
How do you spell relief?...lol Plop plop fizz........lol Glad he moved his bowels......Sounds like he’s on his way.. Usually with frogs they don’t lose appetite with shedding for the most part. Most shedding is done within an hour though it can actually show signs of loosening some days beforehand... Some notice the frog looks paler or lines etc.... Frogs tend to over eat in captivity.... If you find yours is sluggish instead of the usual gusto try spacing the feeding further apart so every other day....twice weekly etc.. You will soon find what suits your frog.. Babies are always offered daily as they are morph’d when food is plentiful... Still some prefer space between feedings for a better digestion... Good luck with him. I’m sure now he will be fine..... :) HOPPY |
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| 04/30/08 08:29am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1720951 Mela fix
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| 04/30/08 08:33pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1721522 Mela fix
Thats not good.... Use the mela fix right away so it gives him a chance... Can you post pics of your set up?... Usually frogs that do this have been exposed to a toxin or something toxic....In some cases a slow poison.... It can be wood type or substrate or even a plant... Is your water being treated? HOPPY |
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| 05/01/08 07:09am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1721522 Mela fix
Can you bring your temps down to 80f... Some pacman in such a small tank may get over heated as the varience isn’t enough possibly... A 10 gallon tank is always the minimal for a good varience... Actually if you can I would put him in a sick tank..... with paper towel substrate and very safe deco like ceramic water dish, coconut cave.... Nothing from the other tank that can’t be sterilized right away...no wood or live things for time being... This can rule out things in his tank quickly and prevent him from re-infection or more added to his body till we find the cause.. If you think its the water then you can change this rather than the tank:.... Many think well water is safe..its not; it carries too many heavy metals etc.... Spring water is safest with a ph of 7 or higher Tap water may have chlorine or chloramine.. if chloramine it must have drops added. If just chlorine it must sit out for 24 -48 hrs before use.. Insure the drops your using aren’t like stress coat (fish section) as it has an oil coating that blocks pores...Aqua safe or a reptile kind is fine... HOPPY |
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| 05/01/08 07:17am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1721912 Mela fix
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| 05/01/08 07:18am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1721920 Mela fix
How is he doing? HOPPY |
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| 05/05/08 06:53am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1725645 Mela fix
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| 05/06/08 06:23pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1727281 Mela fix
Hope he is ok now for you..... Your welcome anytime... If for any reason he seems to revert back..retreat with at least a week inbetween and make soaking up to a max of 5 min...(don’t stress him. If you can only get 3 min then go with that)... It could of been an internal issue like pain in the kidney from an infection or bacteria...the mela will clear this up if caught early... Always worth trying the mela fix first... Good luck .... HOPPY |
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| 05/06/08 07:33pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1727379 Mela fix
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| 05/06/08 08:10pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1727422 Mela fix
Strange questions are the best kind.... Usually its a convulsion issue or pain.. Many toxic reactions are felt in their kidneys in frogs so it can cause contractions under toxic conditions. It can be very unpleasent to see and extemely worrisome. toxic conditions can be an infection from bacteria to something like a branch in a tank seeping poison or even fertilzers in the dirt.... Some actually die in the convulsing stage as the stress turns to shock.... Its very hard to watch and unlike many things there is nothing you can do at that moment... Sometimes making it dark can reduce the stress of the shock but its best to find the cause. Many put them in a darker hospital tank.... If ever a frog reacts like this its best to treat them with some type of antibacterial or antibiotic medicine right away and put in a sterile tank to insure no outside factors are contributing to the condition.. Then hopefully he heals and all measures of his tank have been covered to insure its safety for him before placing him back usually 30 days after treatment... The sick/sterile tank should be 24/7 heat and dim/dark.... There is one other time I have seen this happen..... in shock. Sometimes a young new frog will do this when a bright light suddenly invades his space. Like turning a tank light on and its currently very dark... Most don’t have this problem as they set timers for day and night bulbs but its worth mentioning.. Many forget what its like if you are awakened by someone turning on your room light.... Window or subtle lighting should be used first after darkness... HOPPY |
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| 05/07/08 09:18am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1727905 Mela fix
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| 05/08/08 11:19pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1729931 Mela fix
Is he finished the mela fix dip yet? I would definately get him onto paper towels and set up like a sick tank very sparse....Maybe just a cave (washable) or silk plant that you can dunk into the solution below.. The reason I say this is once the mela fix is done we can try a treatment for chytrid. Weight loss can be caused by a list of items including chytrid. Skin irritiation and excessive sliming can be caused by a suite of bacterial and fungal problems as well as chytrid. Curling toes and other nervous system damage can be caused by poisoning as well as this disease. The only reason I say ’try’ is the pacman are carriers of this disease... It might be worth giving it a go. You have nothing to lose if all else has been checked as you may lose him anyway to shock with what he’s doing... Though the normal illness of chytrid shows skin issues like dull or ulcers etc.. As a carrier it can be different and some young species just die suddenly and do show the disease after having a pcr test done (currently the ony way to detect it).. I will post the treatment here for you.... This treatment is being found successful in quite a few species of frogs now. It’s still in a testing stage out of private research and monies from Oregon by a herpetologist ( I apologize at this time as no name has been devulged to me at present)... He will be publishing his findings upon further testing. I only wish I could place credit here where credit is due... This treatment may very well solve the crisis of chytrid... Anyone that copies this remedy please mention that this is a private study of remedy by an oregon herpetologist in testing stages. This covers any credit being taken by someone else; as the mela fix remedy is by myself (HOPPY).... Chytrid fungus treatment.. Its vital after each treatment the substrate be changed ok? Which is daily. And the tank wiped with the solution to kill the fungi. Keep your tank sparse while undergoing treatment.. Temps should be kept at 80f for a pacman when ill.... Humidity keep low..don’t mist. You need to get Lamisil AT spray (don’t get the paste) only. This is a foot fungus remedy for people found at most drug stores... You need 1ml of the spray to 200 ml of treated water (approx 10 squirts ( 1ml) of spray into the treated water approx (6 1/2 ounzes) )........ Using a small plastic throw away type cup (any will do as long as you can get rid of it after). Place enough of the solution to cover most of the frog. The trick here is to mist his head after he is in the cup or splash him or even a quick dunk of his head by turning the cup.. (whatever is easiest just don’t dunk him under for long)... You only need to insure all of him gets the solution.... The dip is for 5 min so insure all the water etc is room temp or slightly warm the water before solution is added..this is just for the remainder of the frogs body... not the head... ( just do the head first and then let him stay in the solution for the 5 min dip) While he is dipping this is a good time to clean the tank out....mist the solution in the tank and wipe out...no rinse required... Everything in the tank must be wiped with the solution... Then new paper towel replaced and items put back.... The treatment is for 10 days..... It must be followed to the T.... HOPPY *Insure as you go that your hands are also kept clean from cross contamination... So when removing frog and putting in dish..wash your hands before going to the tank etc.. Some use gloves... ** The solution when mixed is only good for around 30 hours and then its potency decreases. Its supposed to last say 3 days of treatment. I prefer a fresh solution each day but thats up to you... Fresh cup for the solution for the dip is vital. *** So far no ill effects have been found with this method. It has proven effective however in killing the fungi.. You may notice more shed as with any treatment of medication dip... **** Never place back plants or earth without sterilizing them.... I would just throw them. There is a heat method for plants but it does kill some.... To me its just not worth the risk... I would rather buy new plants and replant into sterile earth (cooked) and plants washed so insure they don’t carry the fungi. It has been found at the bottom of ponds... You can do multiple frogs easily also by using a bunch of cups and cleaning out enclosures... |
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| 05/09/08 08:48am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1730102 Mela fix
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| 05/09/08 10:43am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1730198 Mela fix
In this case its warranted to use this remedy as quickly as possible. Mela fix has very few interactions if any... You would of noticed from my above response that temps do play part. We know that 75f or below brings it forth just like red leg so your plan of heat is vital.. As he is continuing to go on his back I would say he won’t last long.... Stress is a key factor and as you have set him in a hospital tank its more likely to cause more stress if you know what I mean. Simply because of the change... Together stress and heat have been found to enhance the process of the disease like most frog diseases.... If you use the set up as you have described; insure you wipe out both tanks each time with the solution... you will have plenty as you will see when its mixed... Don’t worry over humidity for this 10 days... Humidity and any moisture molecules can carry the fungi... dry is best for now.. The frog will dip in his dish and the medication dip will keep him hydrated.. (skip spraying the main tank). Its a good idea to protect him from the burn possibility of the uth and the keeper will work well as a hospital tank..good thinking... All your other thought processes are great.... HOPPY * Your welcome at anytime... I just hope it works for you.... Key is time so act quickly... I want you to know I would never mention any medication process without a lot of research and personal experience. So don’t hesitate the sooner we nip this thing the better chance he will have of beating it... **This process has been known to work quick and in fact the frogs after 10 days are re-tested with clean results... Some show wonderful signs through treatment of eating and coloration differences. Sloughing is somewhat a side effect and some say proof it was present on those not tested like yours. I think its more like what you see with mela fix the amphibian trying to rid this new toxin/med in its body..my view... Keep me posted.... HOPPY |
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| 05/09/08 12:29pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1730278 Mela fix
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| 05/10/08 02:23pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1731146 Mela fix
When something is prescribed it can’t be changed at all.... Anything I post MUST be followed to the T.. Every product has similar things but not the same in qty or same overall.... I would stop the Tinactin right away!!!!... The reason Lamisil is effective is the ’terbinafine’.... Vets can even get this as this....for the person that cannot afford a vet or doesn’t have one the Lamisil AT spray has been found comparitive and gives everyone a chance to save their frog.... The herpetologist that found this cure insured that Lamisil can be used upon his own vets advice. In the meantime many frog owners have used it with success.. This is the Lamisil ingredients.... Active Ingredients: Terbinafine Hydrochloride (1%) (Antifungal) Inactive Ingredients: Cetomacrogol, Ethanol, Propylene Glycol, Water USP (Purified Tanactin has Tinactin is a treatment that is used for Athlete’s Foot. The active ingredient is Tolnaftate 1%, with alcohol SD-40-2 (36% w/w), BHT, isobutene, PPG-12-buteth-16 listed as the inactive ingredients in Tinactin Liquid Spray. I can only say get the right stuff and try again ’Lamisil Spray’... With these meds you can cross without a break. Because of the mix up I can’t guarantee the outcome.... You still have nothing to loose as now the frog will need the cure even more ..... Please keep me posted.... I’m not angry so you know..more just worried on your frogs’ health. We all make mistakes.. I have seen some mix wrong and over dose meds.... chuck it up to experience and please try again. I am going to research the other ingredients in tinactin for you. I want to see if I can reverse it.... With the Lamisil its potency desolves in 30 hours.... If its the same for Tinactin 3 days it will be gone. HOPPY |
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| 05/10/08 08:36pm |
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