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GoldAward KDorn View Profile |
Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
If your frog has had any strange, undiagnosable disease, could you please tell me what the symptoms were, what treatments you tried, and whether any of them worked? After doing some basic-fact-checking and making sure that the symptoms described don’t match already-identified-and-researched diseases, I’ll sort the entries and compare similar ones to see if there are any trends in which treatments worked (or didn’t). Although this would, again, be an informal and not-necessarily-accurate resource, it could at least help give vets and frog owners some ideas of what treatments to try, or not to try, to save time when a frog has mysterious symptoms. To clarify, since there are separate toad and tree frog forums: I’m using "frogs" to stand for all anurans. Thank you! |
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| 07/09/10 10:30pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: GoldAward KDorn In reference to Message Id: 2161510
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| 08/10/10 07:20pm |
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GoldAward KDorn View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2168459 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
Also, how many treefrogs have gotten sick and died prematurely? A few might be a really awful coincidence, but ruling out environmental problems before getting more Barking Treefrogs is smart. I’m sorry about the interrogation - I’m trying to do basic amateur diagnostics. |
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| 08/11/10 08:36pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: GoldAward KDorn In reference to Message Id: 2168718 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
The situation is like this -- I have a 20 gallon high tank (I have been planning to upgrade it to a 30 gallon) which I have been using for several years to house a group of treefrogs. I am not sure if this idea is recommended, but due to space limitations, I have kept several species together in it, namely green (Hyla cinerea), Cope’s gray (Hyla chrysoscelis), and barking treefrogs (Hyla gratiosa). The tank has a potting mix as substrate which is damp but not too wet, in which I have rooted a number of plants like philodendron and sansevieria; this last one seems to a special favorite for them to climb and sleep on. Also there is a shallow water bowl for them to soak in. Here is a picture of one of my greens (there are 2) and grays (3):
As I recall, back when I first set up the tank, I used it to house a couple of barking treefrogs, which did OK for a while. Later on, I added grays, and later greens. I think the trouble started around that time; it seemed like the barkers were starting to become sick, and began dying on me. However, the greens and grays were going strong, no problems with them whatsoever... About a month ago, I saw barking treefrogs for sale at generalexotics for $15, and was tempted to purchase one, because I think they are pretty to look at and had missed having them in my collection. Unwisely perhaps, I did not quarantine the new frog but simply added it to that same terrarium (with the greens and grays). It seemed to be doing great for about 2 weeks, but one night, I looked in on the terrarium and saw the barker floating dead in the water bowl, at the same time one of the gray treefrogs was soaking in it. This shocked me, but after calming down it occurred to me that what I had just observed would strongly suggest that the barker was poisoned by a toxin from the gray treefrog. I read on another frog forum somewhere that even species that apparently live together in the wild (such as barking and gray treefrogs) can because stressed by each others’ proximity in the confines of a terrarium, where they cannot each find their own space as in nature. Perhaps this was the case here. But it seems puzzling that the greens and grays do perfectly OK together, but barkers always get the short end... are barkers just more delicate? If I could do it over, I would have kept the barker in a separate tank. I would like to also add that the terrarium may be in need of an overall cleaning and change of substrate. However, the barker really looked very active and healthy but seemed to suddenly die one night when it was in the water bowl with the gray treefrog, which brings me back to my original theory... what are your thoughts about this situation? Any ideas you may have would be appreciated. |
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| 08/12/10 02:34pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2168927 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
Clearly, as a precautionary measure, if I acquire any more barkers I will need to keep them in separate quarters. But I am wondering, did these barkers succumb to another frog’s toxin or a pathogen of some type? I’m leaning towards the idea that it’s a toxin, but am unsure, and feeling vaguely puzzled by the whole thing. Any ideas you can give me, again, are deeply appreciated. |
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| 08/12/10 03:10pm |
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ILoveGreen View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2168927
Read up on mixing different species of frogs/amphibians...there are many reaons it’s a no no...some being that they have different bacteria and parasites that are good for them but bad for other species even if they live in the same area. Also wild cought frogs stress very easy in a small aquarium. Try looking on Talkto.thefrgo.org there are many people that come to the forum daily with sick from and people that help them out. Lisa Hoffman |
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| 08/12/10 03:16pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: ILoveGreen In reference to Message Id: 2168940 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
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| 08/12/10 03:39pm |
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ILoveGreen View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2168951 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
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| 08/12/10 07:39pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: ILoveGreen In reference to Message Id: 2169016 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
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| 08/13/10 12:47pm |
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GoldAward KDorn View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2169162 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
When in doubt, cage cleaning is a great idea. You might also want to ask a vet if they can test the Green and Gray Tree Frogs for any common bacteria, especially if you bring home more frogs and want to introduce them to the main cage. If there are pathogens that one species is more susceptible to, or if anyone’s carrying any dormant diseases, that would be an extra precaution to back up the quarantine. I don’t know that finding the dead Barking Tree Frog in the dish with the Gray Tree Frog necessarily means that the Gray poisoned the barker. I’ve seen live and dead frogs in the same water dish in (bad) pet stores, so frogs might not have much aversion to being around dead frogs. They’re cute, but they’re not smart... I’m sorry again for your Barking Tree Frogs, and I hope the rest of your frogs do well. (The ones in the photos are cute, by the way.) ILoveGreen: Thanks for the website tip. I’m already on that forum, and several others, but almost no one’s replied. Do you have any ideas on how I could get people to share their frogs’ mystery-disease horror stories? It’s not like there aren’t any out there! |
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| 08/13/10 09:59pm |
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Crotus View Profile |
Message To: GoldAward KDorn In reference to Message Id: 2169245
Perhaps barkers are simply a somewhat more sensitive species that is less tolerant of conditions that are not 100% perfect. Thanks again for your input... if you find out any more information that could shed light on this situation, please keep me posted. |
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| 08/15/10 05:20pm |
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GoldAward KDorn View Profile |
Message To: Crotus In reference to Message Id: 2169570 Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
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| 08/16/10 02:25pm |
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Gold Award project - need disease info, please!
Gold Award project - need disease info, please!