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Chlotho X_DRO_x S. Alleycatt Stray_Mongrel Chlotho Stray_Mongrel Alleycatt S. Stray_Mongrel Herp21 21 21 Herp21 21 21 Amphibiandude Guido1090 |
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But Seriously, It is really starting to get annoying, and some what silly with all these mixing posts. You’d figure that the mixing question would have been answer with the first fifty mixing species posts...but I guess people weren’t satisfied with what they heard. The only kind of mixing I heard been done was with morning geckos and dart frogs, and thats mainly cause the two types are too big for each other to eat, as well as the fact that morning geckos can practically clone themselves from being killed off. You also have to be really experienced when it comes to raising darts in the first place, which goes to show that any nub(newb) making the attempt would very likely fail. What really vexes me about these posts is not really the mixing part, but the part where they say they want to mix to save space. That concept of thinking borders along the line that cresteds aren’t living breathing animals. That they, and the animals these people are attempting to mix with them, are mere trinkets or furniture that need to be shoved in one corner to "save space". Jeez, if these people could learn a thing or to about organizing, they could actually find a way to really save space without jepardizing the health and lives of others. How hard is it to go to home depot and look at the shelving systems they have there. We were able to save space in my boyfriends bedroom with shelving from home depot. Being a pretty small bedroom, probably barely 10’X10’ in size, we needed to make room for his little ones and any new additions to the family, so by putting up wall shelving we accomplished that. What’s great about this kind of shelving is that not only is everything off the floor, the shelves are adjustable and movable, allowing for us to change to height of the shelves to the current needs of the animals. In the corner of the room, we were able to fit a 30X30X18 Chameleon cage with a gorgeous female chameleon, 24X24X30 exo terra cage with a juvie leachie with room to spare, a smaller Chameleon cage for waxmoths, and a small exo terra cage for a baby leachie with room to spare for a bigger cage when he grows out of that one. Underneath the cages, we were able to put random storage items, and above the cages we have shelves containing crickets, various food items and powders, as well as small storage and unused reptile accessories. Also in this room there is a tv with it own stand, a computer on a decent size desk and chair, a dresser and a twin-size bed with a frame containing post on a four corners. Even though the room is filled with lots of stuff and a bretty small bedroom, it is still comfortable to hang out in, and there is still enough floor space to lay down on, goof off with and rough house without hitting anything. So, please people, Have a heart and don’t mix your animals to save space. Visit home depot or lowes instead and learn about saving the smart way. Then maybe you won’t wind up with "Lucky" the one eyed, tail-less and toe-less gecko |
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X_DRO_x View Profile |
Message To: Chlotho In reference to Message Id: 1697311 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
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| 04/10/08 10:25am |
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S. View Profile |
Message To: X_DRO_x In reference to Message Id: 1697406 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
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| 04/10/08 04:27pm |
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Alleycatt View Profile |
Message To: Chlotho In reference to Message Id: 1697311 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
yeah i am getting ready to try and "build" my own cages/storage racks prety soon to better accomodate my soon to be need for space i am moving into a 600sqft 1 bed apt, closer to school. and that 600 ft includes the balcony! i mean, i know that i can get them to fit, but my boyfriend is the one who is freaking out! mainly because i have two 20gal [1 male in each] a 50gal [4 females] 5gal [two hatchlings of three months] a kk [2 hatchlings now ten days old] and another kk with my hold back 4 month old hatchling. but if i can fit them all in my room right now, which is probably a 9x10, i can fit them into an apartment! then again, i do have every single space in my room covered by cages!  |
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| 04/11/08 03:08am |
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Stray_Mongrel View Profile |
Message To: Alleycatt In reference to Message Id: 1698511 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
. . . Yeah, I think the posts about mixing are frustrating, too. I feel sorry for any cresteds that get put in with more aggressive reptiles. Or in with desert dwellers. It’s amazing what people think will go together. I’ve read of them being housed with pink tongued skinks, and giant millipedes. I wouldn’t try the skinks myself as it still seems too risky, but I admit to being tempted by the millipede. Still, without more experience and research there’s no way. |
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| 04/11/08 07:20am |
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Chlotho View Profile |
Message To: Stray_Mongrel In reference to Message Id: 1698585
Quote: yeah i am getting ready to try and "build" my own cages/storage racks prety soon to better accomodate my soon to be need for space i am moving into a 600sqft 1 bed apt
Gonna have that problem too when my bf and I move in together, since between the two of us we’ll have about 10 tanks, rangin fro 20 gals to 125 gals, to find places for. Heres an Idea that I’m shoot out to you Alleycatt, why not make your 50 gal an accent or display in your "livingroom" or something people see when they first walk in. Artistically speaking, it would make for a nice decorative accent for your home, especially since you have the 4 girls in there. I’ve noticed that what some people don’t seam to see it that a viv, weither it be naturalistic or economical, can become a work of living art when utilized properly. Look at fish tank setups for example. They can either be a 10 gal tank on a kids dresser, or a massive room divider made to accentuate the entrance way or livingroom. They even have fish tanks you can stick in the wall to make it look like a framed painting. Sorry to run away with that, but it was just an idea. Just remember to check how much weight the shelves can hold, it would be a tragedy to see you posting about your tanks falling. Good luck with the move, I’m sure everything will go well. Quote: I’ve read of them being housed with pink tongued skinks, and giant millipedes. I wouldn’t try the skinks myself as it still seems too risky, but I admit to being tempted by the millipede. Still, without more experience and research there’s no way.
Yeah, I’ve heard of that too, actually saw it in "Rhacodactylus: The Complete Guide to their Selection and Care" by Philippe De Vosjoli, Allen Repashy, and Frank Fast, which we all know has practically become a bible for most people. They have a small section saying that it is alright to have a mixed viv so long as you know what your doing, have many years of herp care behind you, and actually study the needs and habits of each animal. That is where the pink tongued skink and millipede idea comes from. They’re saying that pink tongues are friendly and could basically live on cat food, and the millipedes would just eat rotted plant and fecal matter. By having a section that says it’s alright to mix, it leaves so much confusion when it comes to beginners. A lot of beginners are directed to this book, to treat it like a bible, but then they take the whole thing word for word as law and not an exception. It’s like saying, "If God says it is OK, then it must be." But the guys who wrote this book are not only extremely experienced, but they’ve taken several trips to the native lands of these geckos just to poke at them with sticks, which is not something the ordinary gecko freak can do. If they wanted to, I bet they could turn a whole corner of one of their houses into a scaled replica of New Caldonia, complete with native trees and insects. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them is growing a miniature version of a native tree just to feed his geckos the fruit of its homeland. I don’t mean to insult the book, it is very informative when it comes to raising the little buggers, but I feel that beginners should start out with something a little simpler. If you think about it, you wouldn’t start you child with the "Encycopedia Brittanica", you start him off with the "ABCs" and "Everyone Poos." I was also tempted by the millipede thing, but reading more about them, there is a risk of then spraying some sort of toxin or chemical, some I heard spray arsenic, when provoked. There is apparently babbons or monkeys in the wild who bite them to get high. On one or two sites with carsheets on African Giant Millipedes, there was a warning post at the bottom of the caresheet stating that if threatened while handeling, they may spray a mild irritant, that can cause a rash or worse depending on wiether or not your allergic to it. My imagination ran away with me and I thought, what if one of my cresteds thought the millipede was a threat, or acidentally bit it while chasing after crickets, frightening the millipede enough to think it was under attack to cause it to spray, thus filling the whole or a good portion of the tank with its toxin and killing off or seriously injuring the cresteds...Even if this sounds like a chance thing, I don’t know if it is worth the risk. Probably buy a millipede instead for my Mom to put with her roaches and camel crickets, since she keeps them as pets instead of as a food source. Funniest thing when she shows them to people who come into the house, especially those who are scared of insects. Wow, very talkative today, really sorry about that...and now for my next project, mixing cresteds with sugar gliders. Lucky will be relieved to know that his next room mate is a little smaller; but wait, they know how to fly...I’ll just have to wait and see how this works out. |
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| 04/11/08 08:21am |
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Stray_Mongrel View Profile |
Message To: Chlotho In reference to Message Id: 1698619 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
Quote: Yeah, I’ve heard of that too, actually saw it in "Rhacodactylus: The Complete Guide to their Selection and Care" by Philippe De Vosjoli, Allen Repashy, and Frank Fast, which we all know has practically become a bible for most people.
Yeah, that’s where I read it. Except I was loaned the book because I had to learn as much as possible as fast as I could. When you’re handling hundreds of adult cresteds a day it’s important to know what you’re dealing with. I love my skink (a yellow throated plated lizard, as he’s commonly called) but I don’t have any interest in getting a pink tongue and mixing him in with my personal crested. And there’s so many things that can go wrong. If you don’t know what behaviors are normal or not, you can have a huge crisis on your hands before you are even aware something was wrong. As many cresteds as I help take care of, I’m far from considering myself experienced. Every animal I have is housed in their own viv, cage, tub, etc. I don’t use any substrate that could cause impaction for my leopard geckos, why would I endanger my crested? |
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| 04/11/08 12:07pm |
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Alleycatt View Profile |
Message To: Chlotho In reference to Message Id: 1698619 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
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| 04/11/08 05:57pm |
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S. View Profile |
Message To: Alleycatt In reference to Message Id: 1699300 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
Some of my millis! I have 2 in a 60gallon, one in a 55 and 1 in a twenty long all with cresteds. They do not "SPRAY" anything. It comes out like little droplets and is only a little. It turned my skin blue but thats it. Plus its only very rarely that they do this. Only one has ever done it as long as I have ever had them and it was on the day I got them. They don’t mind my cresteds and my cresteds don’t mind them. I have one female who sleeps with one of my millis. They are in love I fear. I, at one point, moved her to breed her and she stayed awake all day on the ground looking around the tank. So I moved the milli in with her and she and it went to sleep with in 10 mins. I don’t get it but who am I to judge. It has worked out for me but I have had crested for a long time and have had reptiles for over 20 years of my life. This is in no way a statement of "yes, you should have millis and cresteds." Just my luck with them. I dont think I would ever have anything else in with them. I got the millis to help keep the tanks clean since I have planted vivs. and my son like them more then the cresteds, so it works for me. |
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| 04/15/08 01:11am |
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Message To: Chlotho In reference to Message Id: 1697311 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
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| 05/02/08 09:34pm |
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Herp21 21 21 View Profile |
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| 05/10/08 01:44pm |
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| 05/10/08 01:46pm |
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Amphibiandude View Profile |
Message To: Herp21 21 21 In reference to Message Id: 1731121 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
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| 05/11/08 09:19pm |
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Guido1090 View Profile |
Message To: Amphibiandude In reference to Message Id: 1732445 Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
this thread is funny |
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| 05/11/08 10:37pm |
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Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?
Mixing my crested with my guinea pig?!?