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 #1660250


Txmomma26
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 Golden Questions

Looks like we oopsed when we listened to the guys at the pet store two weeks ago and didn’t do as much homework as we’d thought....we have 2 male goldens living in the same 30 gallon tank. As of tomorrow, they will be seperated.

That said, once they are seperated, how long does it take them to de-stress and begin to return to normal colors? Right now, they are a brownish color and have been for a few days (which is why I started double checking my research and found this forum).

Also, I’m tempted to get some tree branches/wood from our yard (no fertilizer or pesticides in 10+ years), but am not sure if that is safe...I want to make their new seperated homes as healthy as possible for them after screwing this up!

Any advice you have on tank setups is greatly appreciated. Right now they have Repti-Bark, a few hidey places and a couple fake plants. I’ll definitely add more in the plant area. Their temps stay around 70-75 at night, 80 or so during the day. Humidity runs between 70-80% with misting a few times a day. They are both eating a couple large crickets every couple days, plus a bit of fruit.

Thanks again!!!!



03/13/08  11:18pm

 #1660348


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  Message To: Txmomma26   In reference to Message Id: 1660250


 Golden Questions

Cool, the 30 gallon would be perfect for one of them, either another 30 or at Minimum a 20 for the other.

I’d switch off reptibark and go to something more dirt-like such as non-fertilized potting soil, or a lizard version of it at the petstore. There is also a product called Bed a Beast which is coconut husk made to resemble dirt. It comes in a brick format and comes apart in water. Avoid stuff such as ’lizard litter’ or ’calcisand’ as they’re pretty bad and can kill the goldie if ingested.

The problem with reptibark is that the crickets will hide in it. That and if the goldies go poking in it to get the crickets, they could ingest a chunk of bark that can cause some internal damage. It doesn’t happen often, but does happen with many different gecko species due to attempted hunting of hidden crix.


You can use sticks from the backyard, but you should go through one of two proceedures before putting them in the tank. 1, bake. 2, boil. I haven’t ever thrown sticks in an oven before, so cannot give advice on how to do it. Instead I throw the sticks in a large pot of boiling water (if the stick is large, do one end then the other). I also debark the sticks afterwards to prevent any unknown insects or mites from smuggling in underneath it. You could also go to your local Petsmart location and get 11 to 25" fake logs. They can be pricey, but you don’t have to deal with bugs and goldies love climbing on them.

You can also go to your local hobby store location and pick up 6’ of fake pothos vine for roughly three dollars. It can be cleaned or disposed of and it covers a tank pretty successfully.


You should bump the tank temperature to around 85 to 87. It’s a little low right now.

Lastly, it can take weeks to months for goldies to settle in. The fact that you know that yours are eating is fantastic as they usually get stubborn and try to starve when stressed. Right now put the tanks in a secluded room/s where they can’t see one another and tape cardboard or a cut up paper grocery bag on three outer sides of the tanks to promote seclusion. The more places for the goldie to hide in the tank, the better. Do not to bother the goldies outside of feeding or misting. It’ll take two weeks to three months for them to settle in, depending on the goldie.



03/14/08  01:20am

 #1660351


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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1660348


 Golden Questions

oh. Also. When you look for bark completely avoid cedar or pine. Both set off fumes that can kill the lizard and must be avoided at all costs.



03/14/08  01:28am

 #1660541


Txmomma26
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1660351


 Golden Questions

I will head out in a bit to get various things for the new tank - looks like we’ll have another 30 gallon set up for one of them.

Just out of curiousity, we’ve found a 55 gallon tank that would be usable as well. Does anyone have any experience with dividing a tank of that size? Would you recommend it or no?

Thanks again!



03/14/08  10:41am

 #1660683


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Txmomma26   In reference to Message Id: 1660541


 Golden Questions

I wouldn’t divide a 55 to keep two males apart. If they can see one another they’ll be stressed, if they can smell one another they’ll be stressed. Someone two or three years ago (either on this forum or another one, I don’t remember) tried to divide a large tank for two male goldies and one of them squeezed between the upper part of the divider and the lid for the one purpose of going after the other. I would not put such a thing against one of this species.

On the by, you are one of the coolest new goldie owners I’ve seen so far. Not only did you come on open to suggestions, but you were also already planning to fix any problems you had at the door. Usually I have to go on and on about stories and lecture people to change to what’s better (or right). Either that or they expect the people here to do all the research for them instead of checking out google or reading other threads.

I was in your shoes once back when I got my first goldie years ago. The petstore talked me into it. I ended up with too small a tank and I was knee deep in problems with a gecko that was dieing of huge parasite numbers. Over a hundred dollars in vet bills and three months of forcefeeding later, I learned my lesson. He’s also in a 25 gallon tank (I stacked two ten gallons and screwed them together.) And the irony is that I researched the species beforehand. The main issue was that the petstore was selling sick geckos. The rest of their goldies at the store ’mysteriously disappeared’ after my vet reported the store to animal control. I personally believe they were put down. My goldie is still alive today.



03/14/08  02:06pm

 #1662121


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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1660683


 Golden Questions

I recently rescued a Golden who is in pretty bad shape. I know he’s very stressed and am trying to give him the best environment possible. He’s in a tank that’s 18 x 18 x 18. I have a nice size water source in for him, live and fake plants, and one of those half circle tree bark things that I got at the pet store for him to hide in. The substrate is the stuff that comes in a brick and expands. My temps are in pretty much a consistent 85 and humidity is 80%. I feed him crickets and a fruit/vegie mix. I’ve seen him eat and just now went and checked on him and he was soaking in the water. I dust the crickets with calcium. Is there anything else I can be doing to fatten him up?

Thank you so much for any input.



03/15/08  08:09pm

 #1662247


Txmomma26
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  Message To: Fuzzra   In reference to Message Id: 1662121


 Golden Questions

From what I’ve heard (and you can wait until you get someone more experienced than me to answer you), they should have the 80-85 degree temps during the day and 70-75 degree temps at night to simulate real conditions.

And from what KrazyKelli said to me, it can take quite a while for them to de-stress....maybe even months. Just make sure you aren’t picking it up/handling it unless absolutely necessary, he’s eating every couple of days and has lights on about 12 hours a day/off 12 hours a day.

Also........and this is just a thought.......make sure that any fruits you feed him are not citrus fruits. Mine likes bananas and mangos. But only once in a blue moon, not every feeding. I try to alternate crickets one night, skip a night, a bit of fruit and a cricket the next, then nothing for a day or so. Repeat with or without fruit in the mix.

Somewhere down the page, someone wrote about obese goldies....be careful that you don’t fatten him up too much - that will put even more stress on them.

What color is your rescued goldie?



03/15/08  09:25pm

 #1662429


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  Message To: Txmomma26   In reference to Message Id: 1662247


 Golden Questions

;) I’m the one who wrote about obese goldies. And it was concerning all lizards as well, since leopard geckos owners especially think that an obese sickly fat leo is a healthy one.

I find fruit as a treat, like you said. Stuff with too much acidity should be avoided. Bananas and mangos work well. A goldie can get addicted off fruit if fed too much of it, the same goes with waxworms and occasionally superworms (though supers are nutritious). They can get obese from too much food, too many superworms, and from eating waxworms in a larger quantity than one or two a week. Pinkies are also extremely fattening, but I don’t recommend giving them to a goldie at all. You should not be feeding vegis at all. They are insectivores. Vegis will do little to nothing and fruit has little nutrition in it.

The thing you don’t want to do is go under 70 F for the tank. It’s alright for the warm side to say around 85-87 during the day and drop five to ten degrees at night. But if the tank starts getting too cold it’ll mess with their metabolism. This is more of a case since goldies are more active at night.

I forgot about mention the extent of calcium. There are three types of powders you should be using. Calcium with d3, calcium without d3, and vitamins. You can usually get d3 calcium and vitamins in the same bottle. Provided you feed 4 times a week, it’d be non-d3 calcium dusted on the insects 3/4 times, vitamins/d3 calcium 1/4. That’s the general ratio. Vitamins help keep the lizard healthy. Calcium is a little tricky. It helps the bones, but they can’t metabolize it into their systems very well without the d3 ingredient. It’d just go right through the gecko otherwise. However too much d3 will lead to a problem called ’d3 toxicity’ which can make the gecko sick. You can replace d3 with a UVB light, however since goldies are nocturnal it may not work as well. That and UV bulbs are expensive and loose their power around 6 months of use.



03/15/08  11:41pm

 #1662434


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1662429


 Golden Questions

Fuzzra, I’d like to help you more. But could you please move to a new thread instead of running off with Txmomma26’s? It’ll help both of you since I (and others who are almost possibly still around) get to each of your questions without conflict or confusion that way.



03/15/08  11:43pm

 #1663401


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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1662434


 Golden Questions

I moved my question. Sorry



03/16/08  06:18pm

 #1664597


Txmomma26
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1660683


 Golden Questions

Just a quick update....within 24 hours of seperation into new tanks, the Goldies colors are improving! They are no where near perfect, but definitely have gone from dark brown/almost black to a lighter shade of gray and you can see their gold backs and tails beginning to reclaim color! YAY!!! They are even out of their hides on a regular basis and roaming their seperate tanks! DOUBLE YAY!

Funny story, real quick - our cricket keeper developed a ’leak’ of crickets. I seem to have 15-18 live crickets roaming the house. Last night, one crawled near my food on the living room floor. I picked it up and chunked it into the smaller goldie’s cage. It hopped/walked around and then screwed up and walked too near the goldie. I got to watch him scarf it down rather quickly!!! I was pretty surprised and had only turned out lights a little bit before.

So, I’m quite the happy Goldie owner right now.....seems all will be okay.



03/17/08  03:09pm

 #1664624


Fuzzra
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  Message To: Txmomma26   In reference to Message Id: 1664597


 Golden Questions

That’s great news!!



03/17/08  03:29pm

 #1745642


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  Message To: Txmomma26   In reference to Message Id: 1660541


 Golden Questions

You could put the larger one in the 55 gallon tank, and then you wouldn’t need to get a tank for the smaller one, if you already did, you could go back to where you got them and get a third for the extra tank. Make sure the biggest is in the biggest, the smallest in the smallest.



05/25/08  03:30am

 #1748476


Zip chew2
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1660351


 Golden Questions

Why do you act like you know everthing.



05/27/08  08:10pm

 #1748481


Zip chew2
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  Message To: Zip chew2   In reference to Message Id: 1748476


 Golden Questions

Sorry i mean krazy kellie.



05/27/08  08:11pm


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