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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Questions about breeding...
My group is: female normal stripe with somewhat of a carrot tail female patternless female golden hypo carrot tail(I think. She’s gold with less spots and a carrot tail) male mack snow super hypo carrot tail mix male mack snow het blazing blizzard So what morph should I get to improve my project? Please give me all the options you can. |
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| 09/06/08 02:30pm |
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Hacksaw View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1852841 Questions about breeding...
Normal Patternless Hypo Carrot Tail (Reduced Spotting) Hypo Snow Mack Snow heterozygous Blazzing Blizzard You could always get another Mack Snow het Blazzing Blizzard female, and hit the jackpot with a Blazzing Blizzard Mack Super Snow. Or a Male Mack Super Snow, and breed him with your female Patternless. The possibilities are endless. Either way, if you introduce a new morph into your breeding group nothing but good things will happen! |
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| 09/06/08 03:12pm |
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BooByVu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1852841 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/06/08 05:57pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: BooByVu In reference to Message Id: 1853028 Questions about breeding...
First of all, here’s a picture of the hypo snow. Tell me if he’s hypo snow, because I’m confused:
Questions: What would I get if I bred... 1. Mack snow het blazing blizzard to hypo snow 2. Mack super snow to patternless 3. Mack super snow to normal stripe 4. Mack super snow to hypo carrot tail 5. Mack blizzard het albino to hypo snow 6. Mack blizzard het albino to hypo snow 7. Mack albino het blizzard to hypo snow 8. Enigma to hypo snow Sorry for all the questions. Could you just do it like this: 1. Answer 2. Answer For the sake of keeping things neat? |
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| 09/06/08 09:21pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1853194 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/06/08 09:33pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1853210 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/08/08 05:18pm |
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BooByVu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1853194 Questions about breeding...
Ok, im answering to what would be the best you could make. 1. Mack super snow het blazing blizzards 2. Mack snow het patternless 3. hypo snows 4. hypo snows 5. Mack super snow het blizzard, pos het albino 6. same as 5 7. Mack super snow het albino pos het blizzard 8. Snow enigmas Ok, about your question on Mack enigmas. They go for a good bit...higher hundreds. Check kingsnake and you ll see some prices. Depends on if they are het anything and stuff. I still say a mack het blazing blizzard for your male would be good. Mack super snow blazing blizzards are really nice.... |
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| 09/08/08 08:16pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: BooByVu In reference to Message Id: 1854841 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/13/08 05:09pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1858680 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/14/08 12:41am |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1859088 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/16/08 12:22am |
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Slove1106 View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1860794 Questions about breeding...
Quote: What if I got a male APTOR or RAPTOR? Would I get anything interesting out of my breeding females?
A Raptor would only really be compatible with your Patternless. You’ll get more Patternless Leos. Think of it this way, a Raptor is a Patternless, Tremper and Eclipse. In order to get any of those, you’d have to pair it with something that has any of those 3 traits. Your Patternless will pair with the Raptor’s Patternless genes and you’ll get some Patternless, and hets for the other traits. Basically, with a male Raptor and female Patternless, you can get Patternless, het Trempers, het Patternless, het Eclipse, double hets, and triple hets. All will be POSSIBLE hets though, you won’t know for sure what they’re het for unless you breed back. Same thing goes with Aptors minus the Eclipse gene. You may get some tangerine type coloring if paired with your other females and some hets as well. I think you said you had a het BB. If you have any BBs in the future, that’d go great with the Raptor... Start on a Diablo Blanco project... :) |
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| 09/16/08 04:29pm |
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Ammeratsu View Profile |
Message To: Slove1106 In reference to Message Id: 1861136 Questions about breeding...
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| 09/16/08 05:20pm |
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Slove1106 View Profile |
Message To: Ammeratsu In reference to Message Id: 1861200 Questions about breeding...
It’s a long project, but may be worth it. It looks like fun too :). There’d definitely be some cool offspring no matter how you go about it. It may take a few generations but hey... that’s how the pros discover new morphs. :) |
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| 09/16/08 05:36pm |
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BooByVu View Profile |
Message To: Slove1106 In reference to Message Id: 1861212 Questions about breeding...
Ive heard of some people saying breeding BBs together and getting DB but thats impossible since BB dont carry the red eyes. Goodluck if you wanna try at this project. Ill be working at a super raptor hehe. you should check them out at Rom tremper’s site. Pretty cool |
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| 09/16/08 06:24pm |
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ThatGuy101 View Profile |
Message To: BooByVu In reference to Message Id: 1861251 EXPLANATION of ECLIPSE/RAPTORs genetic ...
Quote: A Raptor would only really be compatible with your Patternless. You’ll get more Patternless Leos. Think of it this way, a Raptor is a Patternless, Tremper and Eclipse. In order to get any of those, you’d have to pair it with something that has any of those 3 traits. Your Patternless will pair with the Raptor’s Patternless genes and you’ll get some Patternless, and hets for the other traits.
Basically, with a male Raptor and female Patternless, you can get Patternless, het Trempers, het Patternless, het Eclipse, double hets, and triple hets. All will be POSSIBLE hets though, you won’t know for sure what they’re het for unless you breed back. Same thing goes with Aptors minus the Eclipse gene. RAPTORS do NOT contain the recessive ’patternless’ gene this is a different type of ’patternless’ animal... RAPTORS are line bred to be patternless, or rather they USED TO BE, many people do not necessarily breed RAPTORs anymore for lack of spots, and spotting or stripes is actually considered normal for some, BUT when they were developed they were the culmination of line breeding the brightest animals and the least spotted... previous to the ECLIPSE gene discovery , which is what makes a RAPTOR a RAPTOR, RT was linebreeding geckos from STRIPED lineages, that is, he was breeding geckos to have very little body spotting, this was achieved by crossing STRIPES (which had already been in existence) to REVERSE STRIPES (already around) and when you do this there is a chance of hatching SOME offspring in which the stripe and the reverse stripe pattern KNOCKS EACH OTHER OUT- they CANCEL each other..!!! -pretty cool, eh? So, when this happens you can get a few different morphs: 1. PRS, Patternless Red Stripe (NOT the recessive (aka murphy) patternless gene, this gecko has minimal body spots, and usually reddish sides on it’s orange body, sometimes a striped tail, although it can be speckled, and usually the neck has the remnants of a dual stripe, usually barely noticeable, the gecko may have spots on the head and tail. This gecko from stripe x rev.stripe parents will act as a HET ECLIPSE 2. PS, Patternless Stripe (again NOT anything to do with a RECESSIVE aka murphy, patternless gecko) similar to above, this gecko can have minimal body spots,but usually has speckling similar to an eclipse and usually yellow golden body, usually a speckled tail, although it can be striped, the neck and body spotting can have remnants of linear stripe patterns, but usually not..in fact speckling is usually spread far apart allowing the body color to show through **Basically this is the equivalent to a non-albino APTOR** By crossing this to an eclipse you will hatch SOME eclipse the f1 generation, in other words a PS made from stripe x rev. stripe parents is a stepping stone to making eclipse, it is a technical eclipse het 3. Jungle/Aberrant these geckos can have a slight look of containing striped genetics, and usually have striped tails, and although the neck band is broken even as a young gecko it may not ever be a clear broken neck band that is usually associated with the striped morph. Breeding these aberrants to each other can produce stripes, reverse stripes, PRS, or PS. There is a hierarchy of body patterning leading up to the eclipse/raptor genetic makeup: normal jungle stripe reverse stripe PRS/ PS (albino form=APTOR) eclipse (albino form=RAPTOR) This is why leopard geckos are consider polygenetic, and why some people consider the eclipse gene to be INCOMPLETE recessive. This is also why i breed stripes to reverse stripes, you get geckos with cool patterns and colors, and ocassionally some PRS or PS pop out....and since i already breed eclipses, naturally this mixes well with these other striped projects. When i get home i will post some pics of these geckos i mention as examples, although this post may be more appropriate for the breeding section, i may repost this a new thread. I apologize also, my intent wasn’t to hijack the thread, I just wanted to shed some light on this subject being discussed, and to make sure there was no confusion about the recessive patternless and a line bred patternless gecko. -Duane Shown below are a few examples of what i hatch from STRIPE x REVERSE STRIPE parents: I think geckos with this genetic are really under appreciated, it’s obvious the patterns and colors really show great potential for many types of projects...
PS & PRS pics to come later..sorry |
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| 09/19/08 04:47pm |
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Slove1106 View Profile |
Message To: ThatGuy101 In reference to Message Id: 1863476 EXPLANATION of ECLIPSE/RAPTORs genetic ...
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| 09/19/08 05:40pm |
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ThatGuy101 View Profile |
Message To: Slove1106 In reference to Message Id: 1863521 EXPLANATION of ECLIPSE/RAPTORs genetic ...
yeah the names lend themselves to confusion, here’s some pics of PRS and PS: Patternless Red Stripe: this one came from an eclipse outcross
Patternless Red Stripe: from reverse stripe x stripe
Patternless Stripe:
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| 09/19/08 10:39pm |
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