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#2253903 MissYouGeico View Profile	Popping an abscess plan, good? I am not in the position to be taking my leopard gecko Hershey to the vet to get her abscess/cyst popped for 100s of dollars, and the medication they give to knock the gecko out is life threatening, so I plan on popping it myself... I’m a bit nervous to be doing this but I think I can do it. And keeping her in one position is not going to be a walk in the park. My plan is to get some Baytril, take out my saline solution, and sterilize a needle. Then i’ll try my best to find the correct dosage of Baytril by weight. After that i’m gonna just go for it and hope for the best... I’ll stick the needle in the cyst/abscess, drain all the pu.s, and then fill the old hole with saline, and keep rinsing the wound with saline daily to keep it sterile. She will be on Baytril during the process and for some time after my treatment to prevent the cyst/abscess from coming back. Sound like a plan? Oh, and please don’t go off topic and start getting mad at me for not taking Hershey to the vet, I simply cannot afford it! Thanks~ Amber
02/04/12  01:17am
#2253979 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2253903  Popping an abscess plan, good? Would someone please help me out, I at least need a hint that what i’m attempting will be ok... Thanks~ Amber
02/05/12  12:32am
#2253982 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2253979  Popping an abscess plan, good? I’m not actually going to buy any Baytril, I think she will be ok without it :)
02/05/12  01:45am
#2254085 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2253982  Popping an abscess plan, good? DO NOT ATTEMPT TO POP IT! As i said in my last post to you, this abcess is NOT like a zit, it can NOT be popped. It is a SOLID mass and needs to be surgicaly removed. (caps is for urgency not yelling). Leah
02/05/12  10:17pm
#2254087 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254085  Popping an abscess plan, good? I know your really not going to like this, and i know how horrible it sounds, but if you can not provide the proper vet care for your leos, you either need to rehome them with someone who can, or have them put down. Useing "home remedies" is not a good idea. Especially this idea of popping an abcess, besides that fact that the abcess is solid and can not be drained, you will be stabbing your gecko with a pin while it has no pain relief?... would you like being cut or stabbed without any pain relief? These geckos have ailments that need to be taken care of with medication and vet care. You know from before that i understand how it is not having money for vet care, i was there once, i made mistakes, but i spent every penny i had on my geckos and realized that i needed to be able to pay for a vet or not continue keeping reptiles. This is not to yell at you or make you feel bad, im stating the blunt truth and telling you what is best for the geckos. Leah
02/05/12  10:28pm
#2254119 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254087  Popping an abscess plan, good? Ok, I really understand how your thinking right now, but I love my reptiles, and would not bluntly drop them with someone I don’t know, or kill them, (really what are you thinking?). I am probably not going to keep buying more, because of poverty, but I will collect all the loot I can and keep the ones I have on their feet. Thank you for trying to protect my animals, but I cannot risk her life with the medicine they give for sleeping, and it’s a tiny cyst/abscess anyways, so I can probably attempt to remove the ’mass’ myself. Trust me i’m not just going to be stabbing my precious little girl, i’m going to be doing all the research I can and talk to other people who have done the same thing before, and ask how I may do it. She may have to live through and be tough while i’m doing this, I do feel bad about that but it must be done... I’m very lucky to have parents who will spend tons on me, and I try to give that to my reptiles, but it won’t be prefect. Man, I wish it could but she’ll have to be strong, I believe in her, I know she can do it, she bites like a he*l snake, she lives blind, she was rescued from bad owners, who offered no heat source, and she is missing a tail. She can do it, it’s more on her than it is on me right now. Oh, and not to be rude but I honestly feel it’s hard to take advise from someone who is trying to talk me into killing my reptiles in a painful way (sometimes they don’t use enough, sometimes it’s actually not the stereotypical, quick painless death). And anyway I would NOT just, kill my leopard geckos for no reason... Not even my mice!
02/06/12  01:20am
#2254184 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254119  Popping an abscess plan, good? What im thinking is whats best for your animals. It IS cruelty to do botched surgery on animals when you are not certified. This mass is going to get bigger, it will not stay this small. For the final time, DO NOT REMOVE THIS MASS YOURSELF. I dont know what it is going to take to get you to realize this. Yeah the anesthetic is risky but for an abcess they do not put them all the way under and it would have A LOT less risk than you doing it yourself! You cant tell a gecko that they are just going to "have to be tough for a while"" I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO KILL YOUR ANIMALS, you are going to kill them yourself by trying to cut open an abcess! Im telling you that the BEST THING FOR THE ANIMAL is to find someone who can pay for vet care or HUMANELY UTHANIZE it. Vets know what they are doing, if its a certified vet they arent going to mess up and cause it to be "not enough"or painful. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR NO REASON. You will realize that what you are planning to do is completely cruel, hopefully it will be sooner rather than after your gecko has to suffer from your ignorance. You can go ahead and deny everything im saying if you would like but your leo is going to suffer without vet are, plain and simple. I know its hard to take in but you need to realize it for their lives. How do you plan to keep it from bleeding? How do you plan to keep the wound completely sterile (saline is NOT going to work)? how will you seal the wound? How will you make the incision, with what? Dont you see how painful this is going to be for your animal? Its upsetting to me that you are talking about uthanasia being wrong when you are about to preform home surgery on your animal! No training! No knowledge on it! You didnt even know that an abcess is solid in reptiles... This is not something you can learn over the internet, im in my first year of college and i am learning so much more than no one could ever comprehend from reading an article on the internet. Im past the point of being kind when it comes to an animals life. What you are planning to do is cruel, inhumane, and im sure illegal. But its your animal, there is nothing any one else can do to stop you, so go ahead and put it through the most painful experience it will ever endure in its life, if it survives. Leah
02/06/12  12:22pm
#2254204 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254184  Popping an abscess plan, good? First of all... IT IS SMALLER THAN HALF A PEA! I don’t need this, your getting way to personal and emotional. If you can help me here, that’s what the forums for. Not poring your heart out and trying to stop everyone from doing everything. I every much understand the things your mind might be coming up with, in the sense that you don’t know my exact plans and how they may have changed since my original post. In fact I will be using this to apply everyday (if it’s the right one) : Neosporion I do have some questions if you don’t start going crazy again. Should I start using Baytril before I remove it? Should I start using Baytril after I remove it? Should I not use any Baytril? Should I not remove it and only have her on Baytril (Will baytril take care of the abscess/cyst on it’s own)? And my last question would be, can I just leave the cyst, and it’s just something she will have to live with (shes blind anyways so her eyes are no use to her)? If you can answer these questions, please do, then you would be helping her. Yelling at me will not help the little gecko.
02/06/12  01:38pm
#2254212 Shannon1717 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254204  Popping an abscess plan, good? are you insane? after all of that, you still plan on doing this to your animal? seriously, DON’T DO IT. you can go to a vet and get an exam, it will be inexpensive, they can give you advice and tell you what you should do. please try this before you do anything you will regret! You will likely kill her yourself; if she doesn’t die initially from you trying to cut an abscess out, she will from the infection that will follow this "surgery" please be rational.
02/06/12  02:53pm
#2254219 IguanaRama View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254204  Popping an abscess plan, good? I just came across this thread and you’re absolutely looney if you think that preforming "home surgery" or a home remedy on your leo is fine and that you feel justified in doing so. Leah seems to care more for your leo’s health and safety more than you do what are you like 15? seriously what you’re doing is selfish and cruel and I doubt anyone will help you butcher your leo. Honestly I think you should re home your leo if you can’t even take them to the vet it’s rather irresponsible to buy a pet and not have funds or means to take it to the vet if such things arise. There’s about 101 reasons not to go through with this. You honestly think that the leo will be okay with you just saying " You can pull through this" While you shove a needle into it without any kind of pain control or professional experience. You could end up doing more damage than it does fixing it. Not to mention it’s right near the eye so what if she’s blind do you realize how many nerves and veins there are in the eye you could cause internal bleeding and wouldn’t even know it and cause the leo a horrifically painful death. What you’re doing is considered animal cruelty and the fact that you’re willing to go through with this or even thinking about doing doesn’t say much about you as a person let alone a pet owner. How do you even plan on sterilizing this stuff? And saline is not a substitute for a sterilizer if you knew anything which you obviously don’t and cysts/abscesses are not filled with anything it’s a solid object if it were something that could be easily drain then it would have come to a head and be simply popped but it’s not. What if this thing is infectious and spreads? You don’t even know if it’s benign or not. When they remove said object they don’t use a "pin" either they use a proper medical tool to cut the skin properly and cleanly while you on the other hand are just going to poke and prod the poor leo while it has to sit there and endure your disgusting excuse for proper care. Just because there are some cases in which reptile don’t wake up from being anesthetized those reptile are generally not in good shape or are sick and they are too weak to be able to come back from it and if your parents spend tons on you then you should have done the smart thing and saved some of it even 5$ a week set aside for a emergency fund. You say you rescued her from bad owners what makes you any different? They didn’t have a proper environment and you don’t have a proper way to take care of her medical needs I don’t see very much difference in that not being able to provide for your pet is just a bad owner in general. Also what if you miss part of the cyst that you didn’t see then it just comes back and it’s twice the size? Honestly.. If you go through with this and you mess it up then you’re going to feel like crap and have to carry around the fact that you were being selfish and killed your leo because you refuse to take it to the vet or get the money or find some kind of means to give the leo proper care. No one else is going to be as harsh about this and someone has to and I guess that’s me so I can careless about how personal I’m getting and how "I don’t know you" kinda of deal because the fact that you’re thinking of going through with this lets me know enough about you. Get a brain, Get money, Take the leo to the vet. OR Be selfish,Ignorant,Cruel, and put your leo though unneeded pain and suffering and possible death.
02/06/12  03:18pm
#2254228 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254219  Popping an abscess plan, good? I’m still not getting answers! Please stop everyone, guess what, i’m not popping her abscess, i’m getting cream for it. And don’t think you made me do this, i’ve been talking to reptile experts, and most say what I was attempting is ok. I feel for Hershey and i’m the one who can make all the decisions here so why don’t you all go to he*l! IguanaRama, Leah123, I’m reporting you! This forum never helps me and i’m spreading word you two are lires and should go to f*c**ng *ell! Cphill helped me and i’m glad! I have some tough decisions to make and your not helping at all! I’ll either take her to the vets with my last pennies. DIY. Or buy a cream!
02/06/12  04:04pm
#2254233 IguanaRama View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254228  Popping an abscess plan, good? Yes report us for trying to stop you from animal cruelty bravo. We’re liars by telling you the truth and because you didn’t like what we had to say about it we’re liars lol you need to grow up.
02/06/12  04:19pm
#2254235 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254233  Popping an abscess plan, good? OM gosh. Please help me I don’t know what to do I really need help! I want to save my poor little Hersh-bersh. I need her, what do I do?
02/06/12  04:24pm
#2254240 IguanaRama View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254235  Popping an abscess plan, good? All rudeness aside. You need to decide keep track of the growth rate of this abscess to see the rate it’s growing at and call around to see if you can get into a vet with a payment plans if you can’t come up with it all at once or sometimes shelters will help you cover the cost of the vets. Bug the he*l out of your parents for money do chores or promise good grades or perhaps look for people looking for help around the house anything you can do to get some to get it checked out. Till then keep it clean and watch for it’s growth rate if it’s affecting her health and eating habits etc.
02/06/12  04:36pm
#2254255 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254240  Popping an abscess plan, good? Some experts you were talking to if they said what you were goint to do was ok. Thats a complete lie if ive ever heard one. Go ahead and report us because you will be banned for animal cruelty. There is no cream that will make this go away, its an internal infection that has caused a mass to grow and NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. How many people is it going to take to tell you your wrong and your gecko needs a vet before you realize it? Leah
02/06/12  06:19pm
#2254257 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254255  Popping an abscess plan, good? You know, you were fine with accepting my help before and now that i have told you that what your doing is wrong and that you need to do something you dont want to, you say im a liar? Wow.
02/06/12  06:23pm
#2254259 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254240  Popping an abscess plan, good? Thanks IguanaRama, I will do just that. Lets just stop going at it, it’s not going to do Hershey any good.
02/06/12  06:30pm
#2254263 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254257  Popping an abscess plan, good? Leah, i’m sorry if we are in sort of a fight right now. I would like to end that, i’m sorry for what I may have said, and thank you for helping my animals. I’m pretty sure shes going to be ok, and I think i’m not going to be attempting to remove it, i’ll have her on Baytril, I will be doing my best to keep her eating right, and her health level high, and would not want to hurt her or cause pain to her. I just sure hope it stays relativity the same size. I hope you may accept my apology... All will be well :)
02/06/12  06:44pm
#2254265 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254240  Popping an abscess plan, good? Oh IguanaRama, you seem to know some about leos, I repeat this question: Quote: Should I not remove it and only have her on Baytril (Will baytril take care of the abscess/cyst on it’s own)? Please don’t freak if what i’m asking is completely wrong, I need to know...
02/06/12  06:49pm
#2254283 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254219  Popping an abscess plan, good? Is a cyst a gram-negative, gram-positive, or a funguse?
02/06/12  07:57pm
#2254292 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254283  Popping an abscess plan, good? It depends what bacteria is causing it. The bacteria type will be either gram positive or gram negative, not the cyst itself. This is probly an orbital abcess not an ocular one. Try to narrow your search about it. Found this on a site "These photos document the journey of Diego, a 3-year old leopard gecko, who was recently treated at Olathe Animal Hospital for a retrobulbar abscess. If you’re wondering what a retrobulbar abscess is, the pictures speak for themselves. It’s an abscess behind the eye–ouch! They can develop for unknown reasons, and surgical treatment is necessary for its resolution. The abscess must be allowed to drain, but due to the unique nature of reptile pus, it won’t drain on its own with a simple lancing (like it would, say, in a cat). In fact, doing so can create worse problems because it can introduce new infection into an already-infected site" "Prompt treatment for this condition is a must. It will not resolve on its own. The gecko will eventually stop eating due to the pain, and he may lose vision in the affected eye. Lucky for Diego, treatment occurred quickly enough that he does not appear to have any loss of vision or other lingering effects"
02/06/12  09:34pm
#2254297 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254292  Popping an abscess plan, good? Thanks, Leah. I figured it out, and i’m buying a cream for gram-positive and gram-negative infections. Oh, and guess what? Hershey might not even have a cyst or abscess, if could be pink eye or something else. I came to this conclusion because it’s so small and the abscesses and cysts i’m seeing, look like this: When Hershey’s is looking 25% of that mass!
02/06/12  10:17pm
#2254300 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254292  Popping an abscess plan, good? Leah, should I give her Baytril, and if so what are the correct dosages? She weighs 30 grams.
02/06/12  11:06pm
#2254325 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254292  Popping an abscess plan, good? Will you reply? I sort of rely on this forum lol.
02/07/12  02:20am
#2254337 Leah123 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254325  Popping an abscess plan, good? The abcess will get bigger, so even if it is small now, it will eventually look like the picture you posted. A cream will not make this go away, if any thing it will be killing beneficial bacteria on the skin. Baytril should be used after the abcess is removed. It will not make the abcess go away. There is really no way to get the mass to go away except having it removed. I beg you to just call a vet and ask how much it is. Im almost possitive that my friend paid $70 for exam and abcess removal together. Leah
02/07/12  08:00am
#2254341 PCR2011 View Profile	Message To: Leah123   In reference to Message Id: 2254337  Popping an abscess plan, good? Seriously? I breed leos and while there are ALOT of things, like deworming I might do at home, there is no way I would try to remove the abcess at home. Another thing, it is so close to the eye, what happens if she fidgets and you puncture her eye. I am glad you have decided not to try to drain it on your own. Not sure if it has been said or not but there are alot of vets that will give you guidance over the phone for free.
02/07/12  08:12am
#2254387 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: PCR2011   In reference to Message Id: 2254341  Popping an abscess plan, good? I’ll be calling around... But can you guys please keep it up, it’s nice to have advise from this forum, and it would also be nice if some of you could stop bashing me.
02/07/12  02:05pm
#2254392 IguanaRama View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254387  Popping an abscess plan, good? I’ve been off for awhile and I just got caught up and everything. I’m glad you decided not to go and do a home surgery but from looking at the size of that abscess you’re going to need a vet. Baytril will not get rid of it and a cream won’t get rid of it sadly it needs to be cut open have everything infectious removed and given a anti biotic per the vet ask for something easy on the stomach or mention the last time you were there the stuff they gave you was harsh on the gecko and you might need an appetite stimulant. When you call around let them know that you’re looking for any means possible to get your gecko some vet care and you’re young they might give you a break on the price or give some kind of assistance.
02/07/12  02:34pm
#2254403 MissYouGeico View Profile	Message To: IguanaRama   In reference to Message Id: 2254392  Popping an abscess plan, good? I will. Oh, and you really need to read the posts, lol. That’s not my gecko, that’s someone else’s, that they did at home... My gecko Hershey’s cyst, is like way smaller than that. I’ll have to post a pic later, remind my :)
02/07/12  03:30pm
#2254858 Zach123 View Profile	Message To: MissYouGeico   In reference to Message Id: 2254403  Popping an abscess plan, good? I know you may not think it is a big deal to perform a home surgery. But honestly what is 70- 100$ to get it done professionaly over potentially harming or killing your gecko because "i don’t feel like paying 100 dollars to get it done" It was a stupid thing to do and you should really listen to what the others had to say instead of being stubborn, they were trying to help you!
02/11/12  07:17pm

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