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#2261444 MandibleHead View Profile	Lighting ? how important is the lighting cycle? and the pet store guy said without uvb lights he can get a disease where the there bonese turn to mush? can somone educate me on that. and can i just go to athrift store and take a normal lamp apart ansd sset it on the tank? isee no reason not to. just use the top part and throw away the neck piece
04/04/12  03:11pm
#2261453 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261444  Lighting ? and i read the caresheet stuff on lighting. i just want to know about that disease. and are lights ishould avoid when getn a red one
04/04/12  03:30pm
#2261460 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261453  Lighting ? This guy you have been talking to does not know a word of what he’s talking about. Leopard geckos are nocturnal meaning they do not use the UV benefits. Therefor, you do not need to worry about any type of UVB or any UV lighting. Stick to the baby supplement plan, Link. And make sure his tank in big enough for proper exercise. Then Metabolic Bone Disease won’t be an issue. Only reptiles that are awake in the day need UV lighting. They are the only ones that benefit from it, and/or need it. MBD CAN occur , but with proper husbandry, supplementation, etc... It is very uncommon. If you flake off on proper supplementation, the chances of MBD gets much higher. MBD is very painful and an awful disease that will never go away. It can be treated and it can become less of a problem with calcium injections given by a vet. But it will never go away 100%. Leopard geckos are nocturnal and do not use the sun for anything other than heat, therefore they do not need UVB, UVA or any other sun ray light type, just heat. That makes our job much easier keeping these geckos as pets. They do not need the sun to soak up the goods of calcium and vitamin D3, like reptiles awake in the day do.
04/04/12  04:15pm
#2261465 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: Lani123   In reference to Message Id: 2261460  Lighting ? I really don’t like making owning leos way too strict and complicated. The link Lani gave is pretty far out there, and not completely accurate or safe. Really needs to be checked over and corrected. Like, who gives their baby leo full grown locusts? They’re huge! MBD, to put it roughly, is Metabolic Bone Disease. Can happen in anyone. It comes from not getting any calcium - which makes bones strong. The bones turn rubbery and deform, ’specially around the legs and mouth. First stage the limbs twitch when the gecko walks. Worst stage it effects the back and the leo can’t walk. To avoid MBD, have a d3 calcium/vitamin supplement. You can get it in a powder bottle. I think I brought it up in that care-sheet I originally wrote out for you. Dust it lightly on the bugs once a week, twice a week for your new guy if you want. No more than that. D3 is what you need. It acts the same way UVB does, but inside the gecko instead of above it. However the D3 in powders is potent. If you give D3 calcium every day or more than one to two days a week, you can OD on it and it’ll make the gecko sick. And don’t feed your leo in a separate container when you just got him. He’s likely freaked out still from the moving experience and still needs time to settle in. Whipping him back and forth from tank to container will just stress him out more. It’s cool if he doesn’t eat every cricket you give him. And you said he may be shedding, so he’s probably just full or distracted today.
04/04/12  04:33pm
#2261466 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2261465  Lighting ? Btw, that last part of the post was in regards to the recent stuff in your other thread. I was just way too lazy to post in both.
04/04/12  04:34pm
#2261467 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: Lani123   In reference to Message Id: 2261460  Lighting ? ok, so is that where the calcium dish comes into play? its good 4 the bones and prevents mbd?
04/04/12  04:37pm
#2261468 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261467  Lighting ? Yeah. Just leave a dish of calcium without D3 in there :)
04/04/12  04:43pm
#2261470 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261467  Lighting ? ah ok.. your post wasnt up when i replied. so to prevent gettn the d3 all the time can i get ared uvb? do they make them? can he overdose on light uvb? and should itake er easy on light on uvb lights if he s shedding?
04/04/12  04:45pm
#2261472 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261470  Lighting ? You don’t have to use UVB.
04/04/12  04:49pm
#2261476 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: Lani123   In reference to Message Id: 2261472  Lighting ? how much does it cost ? the d3. cheap i hope
04/04/12  04:56pm
#2261479 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261476  Lighting ? Somewhere between 4 and 6 bucks. I have this one, amongst others. Long as it says Calcium, Vitamin, and D3 on the cover you should be good.
04/04/12  05:07pm
#2261480 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2261479  Lighting ? ok cool. i can afford that
04/04/12  05:13pm
#2261482 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2261479  Lighting ? Stuff I forgot to add: Giving D3 calcium once to twice a week... It’s so easy. Crickets or mealies go in little plastic bag, you put in a small bit of calcium, you shake, and you drop the bugs in the tank. A calcium dish is optional, and is a small soda cap with ’pure’ d3-less calcium for the leo to lick up on their own time. However it’s just extra cash you’ll be dolling out, and it leads to confusion. Don’t put d3 calcium in the tank at all times, as the leo can OD on it. Pure calcium is another separate bottle you have to buy and you Don’t have to. Btw, the pet store guy you’ve been referring to? He’s hilariously bad.
04/04/12  05:25pm
#2261491 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2261482  Lighting ? haha. I just read the golden gecko caresheet. what apain compared to leos eh, glad i got an ez goin lizard. are all leos about the same calibre of care?
04/04/12  05:52pm
#2261495 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261491  Lighting ? Yeah, goldies are a pain sometimes but I still love Sade. He comes to the top of the lid when he sees I’m feeding my leos and wrestles with the glass impatiently. Expensive as all to get his tank and vet treatments done right. All leos are basically the same concerning care. Some, like the albinos and those with solid red eyes, can’t have regular lighting... Which is kinda obvious when you think about it.
04/04/12  06:01pm
#2261530 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261491  Lighting ? The cap/bowl of D3 IS a good idea though. Because leopard geckos cannot over dose on calcium and they are able to regulate their own calcium intake. It’s really is not that hard or expensive. Just a cap of calcium...
04/04/12  09:50pm
#2261627 Lizards and more View Profile	Message To: Lani123   In reference to Message Id: 2261530  Lighting ? Lani they CAN overdose on D3 regular calcium no as it will just pass through their system but D3 can be toxic at high levels that’s why you only use it a couple times a week.
04/05/12  07:23pm
#2261635 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: Lizards and more   In reference to Message Id: 2261627  Lighting ? OMg, sorry. I just read what i rote. I mean it IS a good idea to leave an easy access bowl of calcium WITHOUT D3 in the cage. Sorry.
04/05/12  08:35pm
#2261655 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: Lani123   In reference to Message Id: 2261635  Lighting ? I thought D3 was the most important calcium vitamin and I went to the pet store and started looking, this one bottle said Pure Calcium in big letters or someing, below it, it said contains 0% D3 I got the D3 one though lol. whats the scoop on pure calcium with no D3 ?
04/05/12  11:27pm
#2261660 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261655  Lighting ? should I have got that ? does it have any more or less benefits ? and should the crickets be coated in white ? like the ones I gave him ? btw he ddnt eat them... I took them out
04/05/12  11:35pm
#2261663 Lani123 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261655  Lighting ? OK. So the calcium Without D3 go’s in the bowl, that go’s in the leopard geckos cage. The calcium with D3 you use to dust the insects that the leopard gecko eats. But you only use the calcium with D3 in it 2-3 times per week. OK?
04/05/12  11:38pm
#2261667 KrazyKelli View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261660  Lighting ? The d3 stuff is the stuff you need. Calcium keeps the bones strong. D3 helps the leo use the calcium. No d3 and the calcium goes straight through the gecko. Too much d3 is toxic. S’why it’s a once to twice a week thing and not an every day thing. The ’pure calcium’ is the d3-less calcium I brought up before. It’s optional, and not needed. Don’t worry about it. You need the d3 one, got it, and are good. And yeah, coat those crix. It’s okay if he doesn’t eat them today. Try again tomorrow when he might be more hungry. Long as he gets it once to twice a week you’re good.
04/06/12  12:20am
#2261668 MandibleHead View Profile	Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 2261667  Lighting ? ok I got it all in there now
04/06/12  12:35am
#2263423 Coltsguy18 View Profile	Message To: MandibleHead   In reference to Message Id: 2261444  Lighting ? There are is a lot of information out there, and people who would love to tell you what to buy. Use common sense, and look at several resources (and their credibility and bias) before you do anything radical.
04/19/12  01:14pm

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