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 #1759383


TOKALVR
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 Really stressed new owner

Hey guys,

I am a new owner of three gorgeous girls that i ordered online. I received them Yesterday and I was so excited...until I saw them. 2 of them are so emaciated that the vet today said they are on their deathbed. I got them dewormed b/c they had pinworms. And prety much im just praying that theyll pull through this... but ive rescued abused or neglected reptiles and I of all people know that it is really hard to bring an animal back after its gone so far. These two are so bad that I am amazed and this goes to show how incredibly strong animals thes guys are that they are even still alive. The third is blind in one eye or possibly blind, but it doesnt seem to bother her Any helpful ideas would be welcomed right now because Im terrified Im going to lose one or two of my new girls. Im just so sad that I am the one to watch them decline to the end and I feel so hopeless right now. But Im trying to stay positive if not for myself but for them too. Oh yea btw i also bought flukers emergecy aid for malnurished and dehydated reptile today at the advice of my vet and i gave it to the 1 really really really bad one.any advice would be great guys thanx...:(
06/12/08  11:31pm

 #1759771


Herpsarelife
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1759383


 Really stressed new owner

i would suggest syrine feeding them for a while. that way you know that they are getting the nutrients they need. you can use the store bought stuff. you can also make a slurry of crickets adn mealworms (and maybe some wax worms for fattening). you can also put their calcium in some water and syringe feed that. feed them a couple times a day. and always make sure that their cage temps and humidity is right as well. thats really all you can do. and just keep in touch with the vet in case something turns for the worst. i hope that helps. good luck!
06/13/08  01:00pm

 #1760180


Audio
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   Message To: Herpsarelife   In reference to Message Id: 1759771


 Really stressed new owner

i think the only thing you can really do is just give them really good food and nutrients without giving to much of a vitamin. syringe feeding definitely would help as would a nice roomy tank. i doubt they’d be chasing their food down very well in that condition.
06/13/08  08:21pm

 #1760232


Herpsarelife
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   Message To: Audio   In reference to Message Id: 1760180


 Really stressed new owner

another thing you can do is give them pedialyte (sp.). the stuff that you give to little kids when they are dehydrated. it has all of the electrolytes and stuff.
06/13/08  09:27pm

 #1762078


TOKALVR
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   Message To: Herpsarelife   In reference to Message Id: 1760232


 Really stressed new owner

Yea ive been syringe feding the Flukers emergency aid food for the past few days. It says for severe cases to only give them 50% of their daily calories for a few days, and then after tomarrow thy go up to 100% for a couple days. After that I am going to be crushing up a combination of crickets, mealies, and wax worms to get them back on somewhat of a normal diet. But they are still hanging in there. I didnt think about the pedialyte ill go et some of that and give it a try, thanxs for the advice. As for as a very romy cage... theyre being treated for the worms and until they start getting better they are in quarentine, so they are each in a 20 gal, pappertowel for subsadrate, a cave to hide in and water. I have towel over the cages to keep it as dark and quiet as possible, and to keep it humid in there.Ill try and post some pics.



06/15/08  08:24pm

 #1762100


TOKALVR
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   Message To: Herpsarelife   In reference to Message Id: 1760232


 Really stressed new owner

Heres some pics...:( All three are of different tokays
The middle one is the healthiest



06/15/08  08:42pm

 #1768661


B-Fish
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1762100


 Really stressed new owner

1st one looks like it has MBD
06/21/08  04:09pm

 #1770777


KrazyKelli
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1762100


 Really stressed new owner

(you don’t normally see me on this forum)

my golden gecko was that thin and full of parasites when I received him years ago. Outside of deworming and syring feeding, I highly recommend you invest in superworms. They’re by far the easiest thing to forcefeed to a lizard and just as easy to find again if they spit it out. I’m bringing this up because I found just syringfeeding sometimes doesn’t make the cut in terms of nutrition. The easiest way to forcefeed a superworm to a gecko is to hold the gecko and gently push at the sides of the mouth until it opens up threateningly to bite you. You then slip the worm in, tug a little, and release the gecko back into the tank. If the worm is deep enough in the mouth and if you leave the gecko alone or step away from the tank, she should just chew and swallow it. But sometimes the gecko will spit it out and you have to repeat the measure. You should only try this method for 10 minutes at a time, as the gecko will be stressed from the experience.

Supers are great because they have more nutrition than most other feeders on the market, are a little fattening over time, and you only have to feed one at a time to satisfy the lizard. I recommend if you forcefeed that you put it in tail first, as you don’t want the worm biting the lizard’s mouth.

You can also, in the future provided the geckos pull through, cup-train the geckos to eat the supers. Get a plastic see-through cup or an empty superworm cup and put one super in there at a time. The movement should interest the geckos.


If you got three and only two are bad, keep the good one separate from the other two. And complain to the website.
06/23/08  02:57pm

 #1770879


Papa Brickhouse
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1759383


 Really stressed new owner

Wow.. one of them looks really rough..

Here are a few ideas that I did with my geckos..

Get some clear power aid drinks, put some in a very shallow dish or saucer and sit the gecko in it.. warm it up a bit.. have it sit in there for like 10minutes or so.. make sure its shallow so she cannot drown in it!! Do that at least 2 times a day for a week or more so.. that’ll rehydrate them.

make a gecko smoothie!! this might be a bit gross but do what you gotta do..

get a few crickets or mealies and definitely some wax worms (for fat and carbs) put them in a blender along with some calcium and some water to help water it down.. once you got the smoothie you can either put it in a bowl and hope they eat from it if not you can always use a syringe and force feed them or hope they open their mouth and squirt it in there..

Good luck!



06/23/08  04:44pm

 #1770887


Papa Brickhouse
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   Message To: Papa Brickhouse   In reference to Message Id: 1770879


 Really stressed new owner

oh also if you do feed it mealies or whatever in that sort.. crush the heads and then feed it tail first.. sometimes a sick gecko might not kill the worm.. Worms can be not killed and will chew though a gecko’s tummy...



06/23/08  04:48pm

 #1771283


KrazyKelli
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   Message To: Papa Brickhouse   In reference to Message Id: 1770887


 Really stressed new owner

That’s a myth. The worms will not chew through the geckos. If the lizard’s teeth doesn’t immediately have it die from blood loss, the stomach acids will quickly suffocate and kill the worm. I’ve been forcefeeding superworms to sick lizards for the longest time and it has never happened. You should still feed it tail first, however, because the worm may, in a failing attempt to escape, bite the lizard on the tongue or the jaw - though this is only a superworm thing. Mealie mouths are too small to keep any sort of grip on the lizard’s jaw.

I find feeding live prey to lizards is far easier than forcing a syringe on them. If the bug still moves, the lizard has more oomph to bite down on it and swallow.
06/23/08  09:24pm

 #1839237


Baldy34
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   Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1770777


 Really stressed new owner

lol ur the needle to feed them saves ur fingers. and if u mix in calcium and vitamins with the slurpie it will do just fine iv checked with my vet ,tokays are kinda grumpy and will take every chance they can get to take a bite outa ya
08/22/08  10:15am

 #1925992


DJ Luchi
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1759383


 Really stressed new owner

i no ur mostly worried about them and i hope they get better and if they are eating but it doesnt seem to help id try a pinkie there fattening but whered u order them from so i no not to from them?!?!??! alos u should call them
01/04/09  01:19am

 #1926020


Mikey89
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   Message To: Papa Brickhouse   In reference to Message Id: 1770879


 Really stressed new owner

THE SMOOTHIE IS A GREAT IDEA. THIS WILL SOUND STUPID BUT PUPPY CHOW IN THE POUCHES WORK I DID IT 4 A LEOPARD N IT WORKED



01/04/09  02:24am

 #1926654


Papa Brickhouse
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   Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1771283


 Really stressed new owner

And No KrazyKelli,

Its not a myth.. I have been caring for geckos and many other reps for the last 2 and a half decades.. Its happens so better be safe than sorry.. Them superwarms are strong and powerful, they can chew though a gecko if the gecko does not kill it and also they can be very dehydrated, so how much acid would a dehydrated sick gecko have to be able to kill a health superwarm??
01/04/09  11:38pm

 #1929856


Smith710
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   Message To: Papa Brickhouse   In reference to Message Id: 1926654


 Really stressed new owner

It is a myth.... But whataver, if you believe your gecko is going to be eaten from the inside out, kill the mealies, can’t hurt anything, but it is definitely a myth....
01/10/09  08:00pm

 #1930334


Audio
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   Message To: TOKALVR   In reference to Message Id: 1759383


 Really stressed new owner

well, that person before you made a really good point, if they’re unhealthy the stomach acids might not break it down. i really think it’s a myth too but don’t worms feed on dead bodies? :X .... maybe someone’s gecko died right after coincidentally eating worms and that created the illusion that it could happen... if that sounds too morbid sorry lol
01/11/09  02:36pm

 #1930974


Prettykttkat
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 Really stressed new owner

Omg the bottom one looks horrible! Poor tokays! Where did you get them from? They should be put out of business! Are they getting any better yet for you? Wish you the best of luck trying to get them better.
01/12/09  12:30pm


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