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 #1714213


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 Protein? Help?

My Question is Does, My gecko Need More Protein?

I feed My Gargoyle CGD, mixed with Baby food (Peaches and pears). Now I Know it should be mixed with water however, the first two months i couldn’t get him to eat what-so-ever. I had to hand feed him every night. So, he’s finally started to eat on his own, and the second i reduce the baby food (Even if it’s just a little) he stops eating. I’ve tried Crickets and he show no interest at all. I Know some of you feed ’Em Pinkies but mine is still rather small, And i don’’t think he could eat a pinky. I believe he needs more protein, Is there something i could add to give him more or is what I’m giving him enough?

He is about four inches long, and weighs 5-7 grams(The scale won’t make up it’s mind, lol), He doesn’t appear that skinny, but, he doesn’t seem plump enough either. Also how fast do they tend to grow, He doesn’t seem to be growing fast at all. He’s gained about two/three grams and is about a half inch/inch longer then when i got him in December. Is that a good or bad growth rate? If any other information is need please let me know and I’ll get it for you.

Note: Before this I’ve never owned any type of lizard, so all help is much Appreciated



04/23/08  10:22pm

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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1714213


 Protein? Help?

Yes, they do. By mixing the CGD with baby food you are cutting down the protean down by how ever much baby food you are mixing into the cgd. Also CGD has a lower amount of protean than the Gargs need but they no longer make GGD so you are stuck with CGD. You could try mixing in a little turkey or chicken baby food into the cgd. No more then 1/8 of a dish should be the the meat type and only do it for 1 or 2 feedings a week. My gargoyles hate crickets as well so unless you are willing to breed roaches it can be hard to get the babies a good amount of protean. Once your little guy reaches about 20-25 grams try a pinky once a month. I know it seems like they should not be able to take it but I cut up (pre-killed) the pinkies into 1/4s and they go after it quicker anyways. I hand feed them it so I know they are eating it but if you do watch your fingers! You could always just put it in a dish and hold them to it, that works as well. Good luck and welcome to the wonderful world of geckos! Be warned they are like chips, you can stop at one! haha!

TTFN



04/24/08  01:11am

 #1714422


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1714380


 Protein? Help?

Thank you. Does the Type of Turkey matter? So he is growing okay then. I have no idea how fast (Or slow) Geckos grow.



04/24/08  03:34am

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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1714422


 Protein? Help?

You want to get a kind with the least amount of added stuff like sugars and no veggies. I think Beach Nut brand has one thats good maybe even Gerber. I only have adults at the moment and a bunch of egg but no babies so I cant remember off the top of my head, its been a while. Make sure to read the labels.

Where did you get him what was the first weight you got on him and when was that? Do you have a hatch date/weight. 5-7 grams is not that bad as long as he is only a few months old. Some grow slower than others but the better protean in there diet the better they grow. Also how big of a tank you have him in? Sometimes they choose a spot in a big tank and don’t come out of it much because the food seems so far away an they feel better (safe) in there little spot and are willing to go hungry because of it. At that size you could keep him in a 2-5 gallon tank with no issues.

Here is a picture of a healthy baby garg so you can get an idea of what they should kind of look like. This one turned out to be one of the best eaters I ever had. I think she was about 4-5 grams in this picture.





If you take a look at her sides you can see she has a little rounding but she is not "fat". The tail is very strait and also the limbs. Eyes are clear and she is aware. Also make sure to keep an eye on her poop get an idea how it looks now so you know when it look wrong. It should be solid with a little white at one end but not very liquidy or to solid. They should "go" 1 time with in 2 days or a little more. These are all things that let you know that she is healthy. If any of these thing start to look off make sure you get some help since this is your first gecko. Reptiles are very good at hiding it if they are sick. Its a defense.
Good luck! Let me know if you have any other questions.
♥TTFN



04/24/08  12:57pm

 #1714733


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1714707


 Protein? Help?

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Where did you get him what was the first weight you got on him and when was that? Do you have a hatch date/weight. 5-7 grams is not that bad as long as he is only a few months old. Some grow slower than others but the better protean in there diet the better they grow. Also how big of a tank you have him in? Sometimes they choose a spot in a big tank and don’t come out of it much because the food seems so far away an they feel better (safe) in there little spot and are willing to go hungry because of it. At that size you could keep him in a 2-5 gallon tank with no issues.



I Got Him At a reptile shop, (reptile Depot). The first weight I got was 4 grams and that was probably about a month ago. I have no hatch date or hatch weight. I myself have had him for four months, but the pet store breed them there. With the time that’s gone by I doubt I could get a hatch date from them.
I have in a 15 gallon(Turned on it’s side so it’s tall not long.) The floor space he has is about 12 inches wide and 12 inches long., I know it’s a bit big, but he does climb and roam around just fine. He has two different places to hide and branches to climb on.

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If you take a look at her sides you can see she has a little rounding but she is not "fat". The tail is very strait and also the limbs. Eyes are clear and she is aware. Also make sure to keep an eye on her poop get an idea how it looks now so you know when it look wrong. It should be solid with a little white at one end but not very liquidy or to solid. They should "go" 1 time with in 2 days or a little more. These are all things that let you know that she is healthy. If any of these thing start to look off make sure you get some help since this is your first gecko. Reptiles are very good at hiding it if they are sick. Its a defense.



Mine was about that same length when i got him. But appear slightly skinnier. I forgot to mention that mine has a little birth defect. His spine is curved. His legs and jaw are fine, he can move just fine as well. He has Problems climbing on glass, I was told it might be because there is shed still on the bottom of his feet that won’t come off. so I’m working on that. His eye are clear and he is very much so aware. Although I don’t seem to get that much poo (not nearly enough). would he eat it? And that worries me. also, I’ve never seen him shed or seen a shed laying around in the cage, Possible he ate it? Here is a couple pictures of him.
This is about two months ago, maybe three months



And these are from a week ago




Sorry for such the long post



04/24/08  01:41pm

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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1714733


 Protein? Help?

I have seen a few like, that a friend of mine has them. It is unknown why that happens with them but it tends to be common. You want to make sure that he gets plenty of calcium and maybe even use a UVB bulb. It my be hard if you don’t have a screen top.
Most like growth will be slower with him. Just start to add a little of the meat baby food to the CGD. And maybe add a little extra calcium (with out d3) into it as well.
Can you see the shed on his feet? How are you trying to get it off? And can you tell if he is eating? Is he on paper towels or bedding? If he is on bedding then it maybe harder for you to find the poop in such a big tank with such a little gecko. =) You may want to get a med sized kridder kepper from the pet store and put him in it for a while on paper towels. That way you can tell simpler.

TTFN



04/24/08  02:12pm

 #1714792


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1714758


 Protein? Help?

I do give him extra calcium two to three times a week. I’m Guessing d3 is Vitamin d3, If so, The kind I have has d3, Do you recommend A type that doesn’t?

I can’t see the shed on the bottom of his feet. That was the only solution i could fine (It was given by someone on the boards). I have been applying shed away with a q-tip on the bottom of his feet. If hasn’t help much. he just isn’t sticky on the bottom of his feet. I do know he is eating there are indentations in his food dish in the morning. He is on Reptile carpet. so finding poop is easy. But like i said I don’t see much, I’m thinking there should be more.



04/24/08  03:02pm

 #1714958


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1714792


 Protein? Help?

Only give the D3 once a week and use with out D3 the rest of the time. To much D3 is bad for them and can become toxic. The CGD had some D3 in it already.
Most like its not stuck shed if you have been trying to get it off. It may just be anther sign of the deformity and the issues he was born with. Just make sure to put more sticks and plants in the tank to make up for the lack of ability at climbing the glass.
See if you see more poop after adding the meat baby food to the diet. Give it a week and see. It should help.
ttfn



04/24/08  04:47pm

 #1714993


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1714958


 Protein? Help?

Only Problem with it being part of his deformity is that for the first week i had him he could climb on anything. Now he can’t hardly climb at all. he makes it up his branches but just barely. He can’t climb up my arms or shirt. is there anything else it could be?



04/24/08  05:04pm

 #1715518


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1714993


 Protein? Help?

hows your humidity?
i have a crested that with one bad shed had it solid on her feet.. you can see if there is toe shed by putting him in a clear container or on a piece of glass and taking a look at the feet.. bumping up the humidity may help you out in general.. climbers stick better with higher humidity.



04/24/08  10:14pm

 #1715549


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  Message To: Smurfzilla   In reference to Message Id: 1715518


 Protein? Help?

I mist twice a day, In the morning (After the first mist) the humidity is between 50 and 60% after I give it a heavy spray at night it’s about 75%.



04/24/08  10:34pm

 #1715585


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1715549


 Protein? Help?

Okay its got to be the shed in that case. I would get him off the repti-carpet and put him on Coco fiber that will keep your humidity up better. Repti-carpet is okay for animals who eat bugs in the tank but with a lot of misting the water mixes w/ the carpet develops bacteria, bad, but only hurts the humidity. You could also put in a small potted plant in the tank (lucky bamboo would work nice) that will help as well. You want the tank to get up to 80-90% 2 times a day (morning and night) and not drop below 60% ever, if possible. Also try a warm (80f or so) bath/soak for 10-15 mins then try to rub off the shed off with a Q-tip. I have never had good luck with the shed ease stuff the baths always work well for me if there is an issue.

TTFN
Sarah



04/24/08  11:09pm

 #1715617


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1715585


 Protein? Help?

IS coco-Fiber Like Eco-Earth?



04/24/08  11:43pm

 #1715635


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1715617


 Protein? Help?

its the same thing different brand.

A lot of people have problems with using loose bedding because of impaction issues. This would not be an issue with your gecko because s/he dues not hunt/eat bugs. =)



04/25/08  12:36am

 #1715649


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1715635


 Protein? Help?

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A lot of people have problems with using loose bedding because of impaction issues. This would not be an issue with your gecko because s/he dues not hunt/eat bugs. =)



You just answered my next question before I even asked it! lol I gave him a good soak today, Should I do it daily, until he starts sticking better?



04/25/08  01:16am

 #1715998


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1715649


 Protein? Help?

No, that may stress him out. every 2-3 days should be good. But once you get it so the tank humidity stays up then it should come off a lot simpler. Good luck!
If you have an more questions fell free to pm me or email me.
TTFN
Sarah



04/25/08  01:46pm

 #1716173


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1715998


 Protein? Help?

All you need to feed is CGD ... You can feed insects once a week also. He will get all the protein he needs off of CGD.



04/25/08  04:40pm

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  Message To: Jtmoney528   In reference to Message Id: 1716173


 Protein? Help?

What KiruSama said...

Quote:

I feed My Gargoyle CGD, mixed with Baby food (Peaches and pears). Now I Know it should be mixed with water however, the first two months i couldn’t get him to eat what-so-ever. I had to hand feed him every night. So, he’s finally started to eat on his own, and the second i reduce the baby food (Even if it’s just a little) he stops eating. I’ve tried Crickets and he show no interest at all.



What I said...

Quote:

By mixing the CGD with baby food you are cutting down the protean down by how ever much baby food you are mixing into the cgd. Also CGD has a lower amount of protean than the Gargs need but they no longer make GGD so you are stuck with CGD. You could try mixing in a little turkey or chicken baby food into the cgd. No more then 1/8 of a dish should be the the meat type and only do it for 1 or 2 feedings a week. My gargoyles hate crickets as well so unless you are willing to breed roaches it can be hard to get the babies a good amount of protean. Once your little guy reaches about 20-25 grams try a pinky once a month. I know it seems like they should not be able to take it but I cut up (pre-killed) the pinkies into 1/4s and they go after it quicker anyways.




This is my 2 cents...
CGD is formulated for adult crested geckos. The old Gargoyle gecko diet had much more protean but because it did not sell well they discontinued it. A lot of people get by with cgd and crickets with gargoyle geckos but there are a lot of gargs out there who have no interest in crickets. Baby and Juv. geckos need more protean than an adult and adult gargoyle geckos need more than an adult crested geckos. When you have a finicky eater on top of that you need to find more protean somewhere or you get issues with growth. Even more with a gargoyle with health issues. Thats why I suggested what I did above. I have done this with my own babies in the past and I have always had great results.



04/25/08  09:04pm

 #1716629


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  Message To: S.   In reference to Message Id: 1716447


 Protein? Help?

Well, Today I fixed up his cage with some eco-earth. Hopefully that will make a big difference in the humidity.
And I picked up some Gerger baby food Chicken,
It has 8g of Protein and 0gs of Sugar.
and the daily value of the protein is 47%

Does that sound Good?



04/26/08  12:13am

 #1717848


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  Message To: KiruSama   In reference to Message Id: 1716629


 Protein? Help?

Yep, he may only take it the first few times when hand feeding. Let us know how it goes!
Good Luck!
TTFN



04/27/08  12:26pm


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