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 #688088


Fyrfytr310
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 16 Gallon

I have a 16 gallon terrarium habitat with all the appropriate heating, substrate, water and such with two Long Tails. First is this large enough to incorporate another reptile? If so, which reptile would be most suitable? Any help would be most appreciated.



03/11/06  10:59pm

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  Message To: Fyrfytr310   In reference to Message Id: 688088


 16 Gallon

16 gallons is very tiny for the 2 longtails already, but if you wanted another reptile with them upgrade to a 30 gallon and get another longtailed. Mixing species is very complicated and stressful to the lizards, it is best done in very very large tanks 150 gallon + and should be left up to the experts.



03/12/06  09:41pm

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  Message To: Joshsnakeman   In reference to Message Id: 689355


 16 Gallon

Hey thanks! I’ll do that.



03/14/06  10:31pm

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  Message To: Fyrfytr310   In reference to Message Id: 692781


 16 Gallon

yeha you should get a bigger tank but about the mixing i dont think its bad. and i dont think you would need a 150+ tank, i have a 55 gall and its got a glass divider in it 5 inches tall and with a little more than 1/3 water and on the other side i have poting soil, on the water side i have 2 baby read ear sliders size of quarters, i have 3 green anoles 2 grass lizards 4 grey tree frogs 2 red eye tree frogs 1 smooth green snake, they do fine in there and have been in there for almost a year and there all still very healthy and i put them all together at the same time and none have been sick or died yet, i just mist the tank a few times a day and have a uvb light on top with a screen lid, live plants and drift wood, they do fine and there always active and running around, only problem i have is the money!!! they eat like crazy



06/18/06  01:34pm

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  Message To: PURP_HAZE_KILLA_CAM   In reference to Message Id: 838313


 16 Gallon

PURP_HAZE_KILLA_CAM thats the worst set up ever!!!! turtles just don’t mix, they eat every thing that fits in their mouth. and a 55 gallon with a water section is too small anyways for two turtles.
next amphibians are toxic, so the best case senario is the turtles get killed from ingesting toxins givven out from variouse treefrogs going in the water. the toxins are released due to stress!!! turtle swallows it and dies. or the turtle desides to eat frog and both die!
the same goes with the lizards, they can die from turtles or toxins.
and a snake¬! are you insain? turtles and snakes are the worst two groups of animals to keep in a ’community tank’ the snakes natural food is lizards and frogs!
also most of those animals would be wild caught, so they have a heavy parasite load, this will kill them slowly and infect the others killing them too. did you take all these animals to a vet when you got them to have them de- parasited etc.? i think not. no one does!!!
and also that tank is ultra small for even two of those spieces, and i haven’t even started to discuss the cross contaminstion of different pathogens from animal to animal! and what equipment do you have in the tank? lighting, heat, filteration. anything??

so here is what you should do, take out all the tree frogs, and give them all seperate tanks for each different spieces or one big tank for all the treefrogs.

get a large tank for the two turtles, a 100 gallon tank will do them for life, then equipe it with a big filter, a heater, a basking area, a spot light bulb above the basking area, a uvb light of 5% or more.

then keep the anoles with the grass lizards.

and get a tank for the smooth green snake. which i’m surprised is alive.

then take every animal to a herp vet with a fecal (poop) sample for each one and get it tested for parasites etc. then the vet will give you what you need to irradicate the parasites. i know you said they were healthy but come on, with that spieces mix i’m sure you don’t have the expertiese to know if they are sick.

then you will have happy healthy pets. don’t believe that you need to do all this? i’v been keeping reptiles for over 6 years. i’t my life. and i’v tried spieces mixing, it doesn’t work unless you are very carful and sensible.
and try posting about how you keep your animals of the turtle forum and the anole forum. people will tell you exactly the same thing. i’m trying to be mean but this it somthing you have to do for your animals survival. otherwise they will all die.
1 year isn’t a long time. an anole can survive with out the correct care for a year, so can a turtle. so don’t think for one second that your setup is ok. it’s far from ok. if i knew what i do know i would neaver have mixed different animals. please do as i said. thank you for your time in reading this.

xxedxx



07/15/06  01:42pm

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  Message To: Edward Howard   In reference to Message Id: 885656


 16 Gallon

Okay, none of those are really naturally occurring. Green anoles never meet red-eared sliders since they’re arboreal. Gray tree frogs are in the same family as Red eyed tree frogs, and never occur in the same region, meaning they can spread diseases to each other, and both species will end up dead. Green snakes will eat lizards if they get a chance.

Honestly that isn’t the best setup for you animals at all. Put the same species in suitable housing asap. And if you’re going to house species together, you MUST give them plenty of room and do it properly as to avoid copious amounts of stress. Please get your animals set up better.

~k



07/15/06  02:31pm


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