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 #1467705


Deli
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 Southern Hognose

Well, Yesterday morning I discovered a Juvenile southern Hognose along a hiking trail in a nearby forest. Barely 5 inches long, I decided to keep it.

I did do my research and learned the basics plus some. Im going to "ween" it onto Pinkies, as My sister breeds mice (i do not know why, though).

Now, What Im wondering, is will it be alright with being in the Same tank as my other Snakes. I have 3 Garters in a 29 Gallon tank. I have a Full Spectrum Plant light, No Heat rocks (as they cause injury to snakes and other reptiles), It has plenty of log/Bark cover, and live plants. The Bedding I use Resembles Ground up bark and twigs. My other Snakes burrow at night in it and have had no problems.

Now the Question: Will the Hognose attempt to eat/harm on of my other snakes? Since one is roughly the same size, and 2 more are a little larger.

Oh, and I know You peeps will ask, so heres a pic:



10/04/07  09:00pm

 #1467831


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   Message To: Deli   In reference to Message Id: 1467705


 Southern Hognose

No, that won’t be okay. House it alone, also get a fecal done on it.

Just curious, what state are you in?
10/04/07  10:27pm

 #1467853


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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1467831


 Southern Hognose

Fecal as in Fecal Test? If so, Then I cant do it for a while. Im on a tight budget, as I only work weekends =

I live in Michigan, btw. Not very southern for a Southern Hognose.. lol
10/04/07  10:41pm

 #1467864


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   Message To: Deli   In reference to Message Id: 1467853


 Southern Hognose

That makes it an eastern. If your on a tight budget , I’d really recommend letting it go. They can be notoriously hard to feed, because it is believed that a diet of mice will eventually kill eastern hognoses due to the fur, and if your on a tight budget, it will be hard to afford toads during the winter.
10/04/07  10:50pm

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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1467864


 Southern Hognose

not so much the fur- its more of a specialized diet of amphibians- they dont do well on rodents because of a fat issue- theyll get fatty liver disease- some will disagree- i hear it both ways- im going with toads though- and yes- toads can get a little pricey- i just purchased some for my easterns- its probably better off where you found it- then you could buy you a western- or eastern for that matter- good luck

greg
10/04/07  11:36pm

 #1467931


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   Message To: Brairpatch   In reference to Message Id: 1467908


 Southern Hognose

Well,I Have a Turtle and a Fish (Which costs a bit, being it eats Feeder fish like candy. Like 2 Dozen a week =) And the turtle needs 1 dozen crickets a week. I’ve been wanting to get rid of both for a while, but haven’t found the time to go the the local Pet store drop them off there. Once that is accomplished, I’ll have plenty of money to get some toads, frogs, tadpoles, or whatever else amphibians they eat. Also, My Friend Knows of an Online Pet Supply Store, and can get things at a discount for being a member there for a while. He Got Several Poison Dart Frogs from them

Also, I consider myself a very good Reptile keeper. This isnt the first snake, nor the last I will have. Currently, There are 3 Iguanas, 2 Savannah monitors, 1 Turtle , 4 Snakes (not including the Eastern i found), Bunches of mice and fish in our house. My mom and sister are both suckers for ’cool’ and Exotic reptiles, and Breed Mice to feed them. Im sure I can Mooch a few bucks here and there off them for supplies and what not.



10/05/07  12:13am

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   Message To: Deli   In reference to Message Id: 1467931


 Southern Hognose

Quote:

2 Savannah



If you can’t afford to get a 15 dollar fecal done, how can you possibly afford to feed Varanids?
10/05/07  12:26pm

 #1468305


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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1468293


 Southern Hognose

Not all of the mentioned Reptiles are mine. Only the Snakes and the turtle. the rest are my sisters or my moms. Also, If you Read what I typed, it clearly says they breed mice to feed them.



10/05/07  12:42pm

 #1469461


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   Message To: Deli   In reference to Message Id: 1468305


 Southern Hognose

If you kept varanids properly, you realistically wouldn’t be able to keep up with feeding them what they properly need. Just do the hog noses a favor and let it go.
10/06/07  02:38pm

 #1472595


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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1469461


 Southern Hognose

Let it go. I just believe if it is in the wild then leave it there. If it is injured, nurse it back to health and release it. There are plenty of c/b snakes around for sale.



10/09/07  10:37am

 #1474007


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   Message To: Djl   In reference to Message Id: 1472595


 Southern Hognose

So let’s see...

You can’t afford small, cheap seperate cages for your garters, and can’t afford fecal tests, so their cage was probably Pinworm Central already. Now you’re throwing a wildcaught snake in there to spread even more biological threats to them, not to mention the fact that hognoses eat reptiles as well as amphibians. Even if it changes its mind, the other snake will already have been chewed and envomated. Hognoses are very stupid eaters. If something smells edible, it’s in danger. I’m not the only one here who has watched them try to eat the inside of the deli cup they were in because it still smelled like food. If it’s burrowing around, and is hungry, and bumps into a part of another snake, ther’s a good chance it’s going to start chewing. Assuming there’s some kind of undertank heat, otherwise it won’t eat at all. A hognose won’t climb up to the top of a 29 gallon to bask.

Let me see if I can follow your plan here: you’re going to use the money you’re spending on a few crickets a week... to buy HEALTHY toads? From what planet? When wild animals are confined, parasites multiply. They spend more time near their feces than they would in the wild. They are often constipated from dehydration or improper temperatures or bad diet/minimal diet, which is even worse as far as geting rid of worms faster than the worms breed. Plus, crowding them crosscontaminates them with whatever other specimens are carrying. Anyone who is selling them cheaply is not taking precautions, so store-bought toads, anoles, etc. are a terrible diet.

Don’t be an Elmyra. Let it go and focus properly on the garter snakes. Just so you know, plant lights don’t do anything for reptiles that a regular light wouldn’t. Snakes don’t actually need ultraviolet anyway, but if you’re one of those people who insists that everything must have ultraviolet for calcium synthesis despite all scientific evidence that different reptiles have completely different needs, then at least get your myths right and buy them something with UVB. "Full Spectrum" is just a marketing phrase, it doesn’t literally mean that the entire elctromagnetic spectrum, or even a very significant part of the ultraviolet section of it, is represented. And whole debate about "Group housing is always a bad idea" aside, what’s up with housing three snakes together that aren’t even the same size? You can’t just learn a few factoids, throw out whatever’s inconvenient, and expect any kind of longevity for anything.

You also might want to spend less time making room for new pets and more trying to place that turtle you’re already tired of in a decent home. I wouldn’t wish a pet shop on my worst enemy. Even if the tank there looks OK, the room temperature ten gallon with no light that it’s going to end up dying in when somebody buys it for their eight year old isn’t.



10/10/07  03:37pm

 #1474108


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   Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1474007


 Southern Hognose

he let it go.......no need to be snippy
10/10/07  04:59pm

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   Message To: Dane_Zoo   In reference to Message Id: 1474108


 Southern Hognose

He was being snippy for good reason. Keeping a wild caught animal and trying to feed it something that isn’t included in its normal diet and not giving it the proper habitat is not acceptable. If he can’t afford to take care of his current pets he doesn’t need more. I’m glad he came to his senses and let it go, but he needed to be told or he probably would have ended up keeping it and killing it. If you want a pet then get a captive bred.
11/24/07  04:09pm


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