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 #1485391


Occ1123
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 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

I have been trying to find the perfect hognose for the past 5 months, and I finally got him!

He’s a CBB Hatchling High Red Southern Hognose Snake. He feeds consistently on small unscented pinkies.
Currently, there are only two other people that I know of anywhere that have this color phase.

He is quite a little beauty...














Tell me what you think!

...and no, he doesn’t have a name yet...if anyone has any suggestions! :-)


~Alex



10/21/07  02:47pm

 #1485666


Elektra
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1485391


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

Very pretty, congrats



10/21/07  06:56pm

 #1485816


Occ1123
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  Message To: Elektra   In reference to Message Id: 1485666


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

Thanks!



10/21/07  08:48pm

 #1486056


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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1485816


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

ooohhhh pretty



10/21/07  11:32pm

 #1486062


JackAsp
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1485816


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

Wow. Colorwise, he looks more like sand boa than a hognose.
I think he should have some kind of a hog-based name.
Prosciutto, maybe, or perhaps Bratwurst...



10/21/07  11:37pm

 #1486174


Jcolubrid
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1485391


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

First of all, congratulations! Secondly, his color scheme is that of almost a Tiger- so, I think Tigger from Whinney the Pooh, right? Then I figure that name is overdone, so why not TONY the tiger...and I figure that’s just too creepy, and then I realized...why not Shakir, the tiger from the Jungle Book-I’m a Disney fan! Well, either way congratulations.



10/22/07  03:47am

 #1486823


Sloopies
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  Message To: Jcolubrid   In reference to Message Id: 1486174


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

tony the tiger is the name of my crested gecko!!!



10/22/07  07:31pm

 #1486918


Volt
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1485391


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

OCC1123, that is the most unique hog I have ever seen!
Great looking snake.

It really makes me want to get one.

Well have fun!



10/22/07  08:41pm

 #1487138


Dane_Zoo
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  Message To: Volt   In reference to Message Id: 1486918


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

by any chance do you know what color morph it is called



10/22/07  11:16pm

 #1488018


Occ1123
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  Message To: Dane_Zoo   In reference to Message Id: 1487138


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

JackAsp and Jcolubrid, those are some pretty interesting names.
JackAsp’s I think are very creative and humorous! :-)

I really appreciate all the kind comments from all everyone else as well!
I’m happy to hear that the some of the other members of the hognose community are impressed with this little guy. (I had to look far and wide before finally tracking this amazing snake down.)

BTW Volt, I really appreciate the comments, and I think you should go for one yourself it you are interested!...maybe not one so expensive though :-) (Just remember to do your homework first! lol)
They are just so cool, and they make an awesome addition to any collection...no matter what other stuff you have.

Dane_Zoo, this color morph usually goes by the name "High Red" or "Red Phase". Occasionally people will color them "High Orange" or "Orange Phase"...but these are truly red (and I, nor the breeder who I bought from, call them "orange").

Also, they get a deep red wash over their body, and the red on their back gets more rich as they get older. They are only only hogs that I have EVER seen that get nicer as they age! It is quite remarkable, in my opinion.

And again, keep in mind that there is only one breeder at this present time of this morph, and as of right now...the breeder, myself, and one other guy are the only ones (that the breeder knows of) that have this color morph.
There are plenty of other Southerns that show high amounts of deep orange, but it fades as they age...

They are very rare, and currently, only two are known to exist that were wild caught. There have been others that have been caught in the past, but I believe that none of them are still alive.

So, the morph does occur in the wild (I don’t know if it is recessive or co-dominant), but it is extremely rare. The only other morphs I know of that have ever occurred in Southerns are Hypomelanistic (which I believe has currently only been produced one time and it was in captivity) and albino (which I believe occurred also one time with a wild caught female that died before she ever got the chance to breed). I don’t know what the current story is with the one hypo, or if there are now more.

Well, I’m sure that was more information than you wanted...but I hope that it answered all the questions you had about the morph.


~Alex



10/23/07  06:52pm

 #1488024


Occ1123
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1488018


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

Quote:

Occasionally people will color them "High Orange" or "Orange Phase"...



Oops...
I meant "call them".
Obviously, no one colors them! lol



10/23/07  06:56pm

 #1489065


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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1488024


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

If they did, you’ll find out when he sheds!



10/24/07  04:46pm

 #1489498


Occ1123
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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1489065


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

Yeah!



10/24/07  10:26pm

 #1494849


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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1489498


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

interesting- they look similar to two of my easterns- what are some differences in southerns and easterns-

greg



10/29/07  05:14pm

 #1504134


Occ1123
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  Message To: Brairpatch   In reference to Message Id: 1494849


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

I don’t want to go into a lot of detail because most of the differences are very clear and easy to look up.

Southerns are not found as far north as easterns.
Southerns typically have a more varied diet (they will eat amphibians, rodents, as well as other small mammals). Easterns feed strictly on toads and sometimes frogs, and will not live long even under ideal circumstances when fed rodents in captivity. (They cannot process rodents for whatever reason, and can not live solely off of them).
Southerns are more closely related to westerns, and that may be why they do well on a rodent diet.
Southerns also have more "potent" venom, if you want to call it that. All I mean is that their venom has been shown to paralyze very small mammals, very, very small birds, and amphibians. Eastern venom only has the ability to paralyze amphibians. (To my knowledge, neither of their venoms as the ability to kill any of their prey.)
Southerns are also far less variable than easterns in their color.
Southerns are the smallest North American hognose, and easterns are the largest.
Lastly, for the most part, southerns are more rare than easterns...both in the pet trade and in the wild.

Hope that info was sufficient.
There is obviously much more you can learn though with a little research. (Those were just a couple of facts I knew off the top of my head from my own research.)


~Alex



11/06/07  07:00pm

 #1504312


Snake venom
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  Message To: Occ1123   In reference to Message Id: 1504134


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

hay thats a southern hognose snake very pretty snakes.



11/06/07  09:17pm

 #1506370


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  Message To: Snake venom   In reference to Message Id: 1504312


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

I remember back in the 80’s, I found 2 Southerns mating under a car hood in sumpter county, florida. It was farmland/algriculture habitat with no tree covering whatsoever. The owner of the property was about to hack them until I stopped him and educated him. Don’t worry, he saw the light and understood alot more about snakes. he’s even refrained from killing eastern diamondbacks that he frequently ecounters. btw I just back into snakes as i turned 40 talk about midlife crisis.



11/08/07  02:39pm

 #1506516


Occ1123
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  Message To: Miguelm   In reference to Message Id: 1506370


 FINALLY got the Hog I’ve been waiting for!!!

lol :-)

Not a bad midlife crisis if you ask me!



11/08/07  05:27pm


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