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 #1722032


I_Love_Snakese
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 L.Roy could u help me.

Hi L.Roy I am geting a bended california king snake to breed with my stripe which is the female Would i get bandeds or stripes or arrabaets.
05/01/08  10:11am

 #1722048


L.ROY
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   Message To: I_Love_Snakese   In reference to Message Id: 1722032


 L.Roy could u help me.

beats me, ask Lampro.
05/01/08  10:39am

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   Message To: I_Love_Snakese   In reference to Message Id: 1722032


 L.Roy could u help me.

If I’m not mistaken (Lampro correct me if I’m wrong) you get more stripes.
05/01/08  02:17pm

 #1722277


Lampro
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   Message To: Candy_Corn   In reference to Message Id: 1722222


 L.Roy could u help me.

You SHOULD get a mixed bag of banded, striped and aberrants. This is assuming neither was already mixed with the other pattern trait. This will kind of skew the results. I’ve been looking for an article written by Richard Zweifel that directly deals with how the many Cali King traits ineract, but have yet to find a copy. But, in any case, this is my understanding of how it works. ;)
05/01/08  03:13pm

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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1722277


 L.Roy could u help me.

I should add though, according to Lawrence Klauber (1936 & 1939) The pattern typically favors the mother of the clutch, that is, you’ll get more striped from a striped mother, or more banded from a banded mother. ;)

Personally, I’ve been having problems proving this out. I have 2 breeder sized females both striped, and so far, both their clutches favor the banded or aberrant pattern types. But, I have an aberrant male, and I’ve been TOLD that his aberrancy will break up any typical pattern trait.



05/01/08  03:23pm

 #1722342


I_Love_Snakese
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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1722285


 L.Roy could u help me.

Thank you Lampro.I will post pics of him tommorrw.
05/01/08  04:24pm

 #1722592


Candy_Corn
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   Message To: Candy_Corn   In reference to Message Id: 1722222


 L.Roy could u help me.

Well, I was mistaken :)

My breeder I got my stripe from had all stripes from a banded dad and striped mom. I think she had 6 or 8 stripes, that’s why I assumed.

Keep us posted on your experiment, though, it sounds interesting. I have a banded girl and a striped boy that I’m going to breed someday so we’ll see what I get.
05/01/08  07:21pm

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Lampro
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   Message To: Candy_Corn   In reference to Message Id: 1722592


 L.Roy could u help me.

Quote:

My breeder I got my stripe from had all stripes from a banded dad and striped mom.



This KIND OF falls in line with the Klauber paper. With the mother being striped, you’d expect more stripes, although not ALL stripes. It COULD be that the sire COULD’VE been the product of a stripe and banded breeding himself, giving him striped genetics and throwing off outcome?

Boy, I REALLY need that Zweifel paper!!! LOL
05/01/08  08:52pm

 #1722854


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   Message To: Lampro   In reference to Message Id: 1722664


 L.Roy could u help me.

i don’t think traits from the mother should exert any more influence on the offspring than those from the father just from the fact that they came from the mother. that doesn’t really jive with anything i’ve ever heard about genetics. dominant is dominant, co-dominant is co-dominant and recessive is recessive if i’m not mistaken.



05/01/08  11:44pm

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Lampro
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   Message To: Kingfan   In reference to Message Id: 1722854


 L.Roy could u help me.

I’ll agree with you on this, you’d think under any type of breeding the offspring would receive 50% of it’s genes from each parent, including pattern type. But under this concept, you would get either all aberrant from mixed breedings (like whats seen in intergrades or hybrids) or a 50-50 mix, and this is seldom the case, as Amber’s example shows. Like I said in my second post, my females seem to contradict this concept, (they’re at 6.5% being striped) but I’ve been TOLD it’s because of my males aberrancy. In either case you wouldn’t be able to get BOTH results in these examples if pattern type was based solely on dominant or co-dom genetics. If striped was dominant, then I should be getting striped irregardless what my male is. If they were Co-dom then Amber’s breeder wouldn’t get the results he got. So, either way, there seems to be a bit more than just one trait being dominant over another, or both being co-dominant.

In Klaubers papers he noted that the pattern type of the offspring did seem to more closely follow the mother of the clutch. However, it should also be noted that in every case the male pattern types were unknown because he used gravid WC females. So, this alone could skew his results, and in 3 instances (banded females producing all banded hatchlings) it seems to. But even in cases where both pattern types were produced in a single clutch, the majority of the hatchlings DID follow the mothers pattern over the other pattern type present, whether it was banded or striped.



05/02/08  04:57pm


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