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L.ROY View Profile |
The great field exp.
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| 06/21/08 09:22pm |
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Bratty_leo_sun View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1768994 The great field exp.
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| 06/22/08 12:07am |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Bratty_leo_sun In reference to Message Id: 1769190 The great field exp.
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| 06/22/08 01:18am |
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Bratty_leo_sun View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1769252 The great field exp.
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| 06/22/08 11:08am |
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Lampro View Profile |
Message To: Bratty_leo_sun In reference to Message Id: 1769428 The great field exp.
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| 06/22/08 05:42pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: Lampro In reference to Message Id: 1769816 The great field exp.
Quote: In all the time I’ve spent hunting, fishing, trapping, hiking, etc., etc., I’ve never seen a Fence Lizard in the wild. Great find!!!
Here in the Sierra foothills these little bluebellies are almost as common as grasshoppers (their favorite food)! I recently captured a pair to scent pinkies for my kingsnake. I no longer need to scent the pinkies ( my technique was to put a lizard in Snakezoid’s feeding jar with a tiny bit of water (but not the snake LOL) and leave it in the jar for a couple of hours, then put it back with its mate and put the snake in with a pinky, and the smell of the lizard in the jar would trick the snake into eating the pinkie. So anyway, I have a pair of these sweet little creatures, and actually they are more interesting than the snake, although I do love my snake. They are out and about all day in their big tub eating grasshoppers. I am going to build a habitat for the grasshoppers, since we have a bumper crop of these things, and have a supply for the winter months. I am expecting the pair to produce young. My female looks gravid. I’ve provided her a big pan of sandy potting soil with a piece of bark over it to lay her eggs in. If I get eggs I’ll incubate them in vermiculite in a separate habitat. Sorry about all this about bluebellies in the kingsnake forum; I just got carried away! |
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| 06/22/08 06:05pm |
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Bratty_leo_sun View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1769847 The great field exp.
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| 06/22/08 06:37pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: Bratty_leo_sun In reference to Message Id: 1769882 The great field exp.
Glad my tips are useful! Here’s another, a tad off topic: It has been really hot every day here in the foothills for several days, and keeping my snake warm has obviously not been a problem, but I thought perhaps she might appreciate some sort of recreation of a cool boulder outcropping to crawl under to cool off in the heat of the day. (We do not have air conditioning.) So I put a cool pack, one of those things you get with shipments of vaccines (or you can buy freezable cool packs for your cooler), and put it in a ziplock bag then in a canvas bag and laid it on top of her aspen substrate. She crawled under it and was able to enjoy a cool spot. If she wants she can move away from it. The cool pack lasts for several hours. Now if there was just one of those things big enough for me to crawl under... These cool packs are not dry ice, just some sort of jell. |
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| 06/22/08 07:26pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Lampro In reference to Message Id: 1769816 The great field exp.
southern part of your state is loaded with them. |
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| 06/22/08 11:38pm |
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Lampro View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1770213 The great field exp.
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| 06/23/08 02:56pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Lampro In reference to Message Id: 1770776 The great field exp.
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| 06/23/08 05:03pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1770916 The great field exp.
I caught three this morning while on my morning hike. They were in a small pile of of two by fours and plywood. I saw them scuttle under the plywood, so I carefully dismantled the pile until I got to the last sheet of plywood, about 4x3 feet, and lifted it up and caught them one at a time as they ran towards me to find new cover. They are younger than my other pair, Sky and Indigo. I think I have two females and one male. They can get fat on grasshoppers in a terrarium I set up for them. I’d like to try the noose technique for when the lizards are on places you can’t move around, like big logs and boulders! |
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| 06/23/08 06:13pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1771004 The great field exp.
i would follow a fence line and on every post there would be 1 to 3 bluebellies. 2 lb test fishing line works good for the noose so does dental floss. |
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| 06/24/08 08:03am |
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Reptilefreak23 View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1771673 The great field exp.
I breed both species spinies are much larger, different body shape, sex characteristics, and pattern We have MILLIONS of spinies and fences in texas. very fun creatures Nice find! Good Luck! |
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| 06/24/08 10:42am |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Reptilefreak23 In reference to Message Id: 1771754 The great field exp.
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| 06/24/08 02:29pm |
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Reptilefreak23 View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1772036 The great field exp.
Fist off though only the TEXAS spiny is Sceloporus Olivaceus And here in this field guide. every sceloporus lizard is called by its name S.undulatus hyacinthhinus= FENCE lizard Sceloporus Olivaceus= TEXAS spiny lizard Fence lizards have a couple different subspecies (eastern, blue belly, rose belly etc...) And SPINY subspecies are 1. texas 2.desert 3.crevice 4.blue 5.twin spotted 6.Spinys are not fence lizards, fence lizards are smaller. And people CALL them spinies because of their texture,but nonethe less Spinies Though Sceloporus are not fence lizard Sry I dont mean to argue but I breed spinies and like to call them for what they are. |
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| 06/24/08 05:19pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Reptilefreak23 In reference to Message Id: 1772260 The great field exp.
if you do i suggest you read it. spinys, swifts, bluebellies, fence lizards and whatever else you call them are all spinys. fence lizards are spiny lizards they are merely smaller variaties. all Scelopurus lizards are spinys lizards. just like all Lampropeltis snakes are kingsnakes ( yes even milksnakes are kingsnakes) who is the author of your source? |
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| 06/24/08 05:45pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1771673 The great field exp.
Quote: when i was a kid i could fill up a large coffee can plum full of blue bellies in only about 45min.
i would follow a fence line and on every post there would be 1 to 3 bluebellies. Well, that explains why Lampro couldn’t find any! Quote: 2 lb test fishing line works good for the noose so does dental floss.
I am now ready to commence, having researched this topic exhaustively: Link And Link |
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| 06/24/08 08:49pm |
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Reptilefreak23 View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1772484 The great field exp.
and I also have others but I dont know the authors. |
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| 06/24/08 11:10pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1772484 The great field exp.
good job researching! but there is something i disagree with the noosing article. the author states that whiptails are nearly impossible to noose-WRONG!-i’ve caught many by noose in CA and ID. they are harder than bluebellies but once you master bluebellies whiptails arn’t all that difficult. happy lizard hunting! Reptilefreak23, here’s some pics so we can be on the same page,
and here’s some more Sceloporus,
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| 06/25/08 06:22am |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1772894 The great field exp.
My snake is in her second shed mode, and is a hermit under her hide, so if I want any reptilian entertainment, I must look to my lizards! |
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| 06/25/08 08:59am |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1772994 The great field exp.
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| 06/25/08 02:28pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1773279 The great field exp.
Quote: one thing about alligator lizards - they like to eat bluebellies.
Alligator lizards will eat anything practically! Fortunately for my bluebellies they are in separate terrariums than the lone alligator lizard. When I add grasshoppers to the alligator lizard’s terrarium he comes out from under his hide to check it out. When I put the grasshoppers in for the bluebellies they usually scuttle for cover, except my for my big fat female, who will often grab one right away. |
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| 06/25/08 03:47pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1773349 The great field exp.
do you use a UV lamp for your bluebellies? |
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| 06/25/08 08:18pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1773616 The great field exp.
I have more grasshoppers than Bill Gates has dollar bills! So every day I go collect a bunch and put them in with the lizards. I have four inch pots of grass in the tubs for the grasshoppers to eat while they wait to be eaten. They do not escape out of the 1/8 inch wire screen top. This is what bluebellies eat in the wild, anyway. If my project to over winter a large supply of grasshoppers should peter out, I will do gut loaded crickets. |
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| 06/25/08 08:39pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1773634 The great field exp.
of the ones i used to catch in CA the best ones were the big black males with aqua dorsal specks and awesome metalic blue bellies. do you think you’ll have to brumate them? |
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| 06/26/08 01:47am |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1773938 The great field exp.
So copying mother nature should work fine. My male Indigo is dark slate gray with blue flecks on his back and a dark cobalt and indigo (hoping am describing colors right) belly. His scales seem rougher or more pronounced than the female’s, which are smoother. My female Sky is brown with lighter blue markings on her belly, and no deep blue stripes like the male has. His tail is fat at the base, whereas hers is tapered with no bulge. They sleep together and seem bonded. I wont put any other lizards in with them, I want them to be at ease in their big tub. The tub of youngsters contains one definite male like Indigo, only half the size, and what I think are two small brown females, half the size of Sky. They aren’t hatchlings, I think they are last years’ babies. This morning I am going out for my hike armed with my noosing equipment!
Hope I am as successful as this kid! |
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| 06/26/08 10:05am |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1774149 The great field exp.
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| 06/26/08 02:11pm |
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Greatballzofire View Profile |
Message To: L.ROY In reference to Message Id: 1774399 The great field exp.
Quote: you are really gonna like noosing lizards it’s much better than grabbing them by hand.
I don’t think so! I can’t get any closer than 15 feet and trying to use a pole that long is impossible. Back to my woodpile at dawn technique. I’m thinking you caught all the dumb ones and all thats’ left are the smart ones.
Sky
Indigo (not wanting his picture taken...I can relate!
Scorpions...found these little fellows under some rotting cedar logs...they have been released back to where I got them. Always wear gloves, kiddies.:) |
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| 06/26/08 04:41pm |
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L.ROY View Profile |
Message To: Greatballzofire In reference to Message Id: 1774601 The great field exp.
you need to practice stalking. how can you ever expect to noose a whiptail if you can’t even noose a bluebelly? BTW, alligator lizards relish scorpians. |
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| 06/26/08 05:30pm |
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