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#806215
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Isnt this really weird?? 
In one corner we have Dasher a cute little 9 month old:
And in the other we have Mango a cute little 3 month old:
WHAT IS WEIRD U MAY ASK???
they are both the same size! isnt that weird?? wut is going on? lol
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05/27/06 11:58am
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#806248
Ribbon man
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 806215
Isnt this really weird??
the patternless looks very skinny and the other one looks to have mbd, krazykelli should give u more details or gecko girl or kygual or im no going to giv the hole list lol
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05/27/06 12:21pm
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#806264
Geckohappy
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Message To: Ribbon man In reference to Message Id: 806248
Isnt this really weird??
ribbon man is right, that looks like Metabolic Bone Disease to me. You need to get it to a vet, and up the calcium intake. It may need a calcium injection to get it back on track. PM krazikelli, she knows the lowdown on MBD
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05/27/06 12:29pm
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#806510
Geckogirlemi
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Message To: Geckohappy In reference to Message Id: 806264
Isnt this really weird??
Yeah the normal DEFIANTLY has MBD....I would get him/her to the vet and get some calcium shots in her quick and about your question all Leos grow at different rates.Also JOANAVOKES will be VERY helpful with the MBD I think she has treated it not sure but contact both..I can tell if the have MBD but have no idea how to treat it...
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05/27/06 04:06pm
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#806689
Xanadu
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Message To: Geckogirlemi In reference to Message Id: 806510
Isnt this really weird??
One more thing...you showed one of those leos in the leo forum as new...you really shouldn’t house them together until you know your new one is healthy..they say 90 days
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05/27/06 06:28pm
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#806712
Bug boy
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 806215
Isnt this really weird??
you’ll need more vitamin D3 in there diet and a trip to the vets. MBD it a very serius bone disease.
-bug boy-
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05/27/06 06:45pm
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#806825
Mike420
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Message To: Bug boy In reference to Message Id: 806712
Isnt this really weird??
Not only the MBD, but they are both a little skinny. Could use some plumping up. How much, and how often and what are they eating? Is the food dusted? Whats your set up like, temps, tank size, substrate, number of hdies, etc. I would also seperate them. Do you know the sex, if theyre both males, they may fight, or dominant another, if its a male and female, the male will verbreed the female, stress her out and kill her, female and female is safest, but still a chance of fighting. Leos are solitary animals and shouldnt really be housed together. I would especially seperate them because they are thin and one looks to have mbd, and it would be easier to keep track of each of their food consumption. Also, are you sure that one is 9 months, its not that he/she looks THAT thin, its just he/she looks young.
So a vet visit should be in order. I would take a fresh fecal samples of both in for a fecal test, and either both or just the one with mbd in. But I would get a check up on the other one too.
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05/27/06 08:08pm
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#806951
Shady3
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 806825
Isnt this really weird??
ya it almost looks like the patternless is older. and that 1 leo does look like it has mbd but it doesnt look severe so it can be fixed.if you can get some phoenix worms, i heard they have helped in many cases of mbd because of their nutrition. also what are you feeding your leos?
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05/27/06 09:19pm
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#807025
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Message To: Shady3 In reference to Message Id: 806951
Isnt this really weird??
ook....ive know that Dasher has MBD so nuthing new to me....there is a calcium bowl in the cage. And her food is dusted btw she eats crickets and meal worms. Dasher has come a long way with MBD she was at a point where her whole foot was twisted inwards. So yea she is getting better.
About the Quarentine...i dont belive in them...i have never lost a leo or any other animals for putting them together too early. so they are staying cuz they are both females and the same size.
Dasher is 9 months old..i got her Augest 6 2005 u do the math
Their tank is a 10 gallon with paper towels
they have 3 hides
temp is around 85-90 degrees
also how is it that my patternless is skinny?? i just saw a leo on the other forum the same size and she looks the same weight that mine does. Plus she probally looks a little skinny cuz i got her from a petstore and they dont know how to do anything
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05/27/06 10:14pm
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#807071
Mike420
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 807025
Isnt this really weird??
He seems skinny, not so much his tail, but his body. And the other persons leo might have been skinny too lol. You need to change something though. A ten gallon for two leos? Too small. The minimum for ONE leo is 10 gallons. minimum for 2 leos is 20 gallons. Atleast 10 gallons per leo.
Have you taken the leo with mbd to the vet? I would, to make sure everything is going well, and such, and possibly to get some calcium injections.
How much do each of them eat, and how often? I would throw in a waxie or two for each of them a week.
What kind of calcium are you using to dust there food, and what calcium is in the tank.
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05/27/06 10:51pm
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#807367
Bug boy
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 807025
Isnt this really weird??
try giving him ONE pinky. only one, pinkys carry loads of fat, calcium and vitamin D3. but as i said only 1 because too many will result in obisity,
-bug boy-
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05/28/06 07:24am
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#807416
Mike420
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Message To: Bug boy In reference to Message Id: 807367
Isnt this really weird??
Bub buy, dont give out terrible advice like that. They should NEVER be fed pinkies, not just because they are high in fat, but becasue they have loads of parasites in them, and their cartilage cant be digested, and can cause impaction. There are much better ways to fatten them up, like 1-2 waxies or butterworms a week, but no more.
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05/28/06 09:33am
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#807433
Bug boy
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 807416
Isnt this really weird??
i’m not trying to start a arguement. pinkys only have parasites in them if there wild cought, my friend works at the place were they gass pinkys, breed crickets meal worms ect. before they gass them they do chek for parasites. impaction is caused by them injesting there substrate, eating food too big and parasites, impoaction is one of the rarest problems encounterd with leos. i back this up by www.thegeckospot.com. wax worms can be addictive and i’ve never used butterworms so i don’t know much about them. and i said only give him ONE pinky. i’ve got a friend who has been breeding and keeping leos for 20 years this year and out of the thousands he’s had (i mean thousounds) he had only had ONE die of impaction. check out his site or even give him a ring (numbers on his site) www.scales-tails.co.uk
-bug boy-
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05/28/06 10:10am
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#807488
Mike420
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Message To: Bug boy In reference to Message Id: 807433
Isnt this really weird??
Well there more things involved with impaction. You say too big of prey? Well pinkies are a lot bigger than cricket, and te leos prey shouldnt be larger than the space between their eyes (exception with worms). Pinkies dont only have parasites if wild caught, not all pinkies have parastites, but a good amount do. And just because your friend does checks for parastites, doesnt mean everyone who distributes pinkies does. Pinkies have cartilage, which is hard to digest for leos, and can easily cause impaction. Yes waxies can be addictive, if fed too often. If you feed ONLY 1-2 wax worms a week, leos wont get addictive. Waxies are a TREAT, so they shouldnt be offered often and if they arent given more than 2 a week, the leo wont get addicted. Just because your friend has been breeding leos, and has had "thousands" of them, which I kinda doubt, doesnt mean he knows what hes doing (no offense), becuase like you said, one of his died of impaction. So the pinkies may have caused that death, or the substrate it looks he keeps the leos on. I wouldnt go by any advice or info he gives, because he keeps his leos on either sand, beach chip or bark chips I think, because it says that under equiptment. All of them can cause impaction, ESPECIALLY CHIPS. Personally, I wont go by his info, because he obviously isnt too educated with keeping leos, if he was he would know chips can cause impaction, and cut up leos intestines, and harvests bacteria, and can be dusty, and holds humidity too well, which causes many other problems.
But lets not make this a debate about your friend. Me, and most of this forum will go against feeding pinkies to leos. And there are some VERY smart people on this site when it comes to leos, and other herps.
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05/28/06 11:30am
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#807491
Mike420
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 807488
Isnt this really weird??
Oooh yeah, and if you go to reptile and amphibian phot gallery, then lizard gallery, look at the last pic in the fourth row, theres chips in the leos tank.
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05/28/06 11:32am
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#807553
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 807491
Isnt this really weird??
The only reason they are in a 10 gallon tank is because they are so small. Its either the 10 gallon or a 40 gallon lol but i will try to see wut i can do on getting them a bigger tank.I have not yet brought Dasher to the vet because she has been improving. Ill try and see id i can get those pics of wen her foot was turned totally inwards. Now i use pure calcium (none with D3) in thier tank and to dust with. They are fed crickets everyday. Cant really say how many i just throw in a bunch for both of them to eat. Ill give them some waxies too. But if it will help ill call the vet and see if he can give my leo a calcium injection and ill bring her over.
Here is the pic of her bad days:
so yea shes been thru worse lol
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05/28/06 12:19pm
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#807568
Bug boy
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 807491
Isnt this really weird??
obviously you’ve never heard of Dave Cooke. he’s a specialist in keeping and breeding loads of reptiles and mammals, he wouldn’t sell you anything unless you have proof that you have the rite set up his Saul purpose is to sell stock that eats fine and is perfectly healthy. there’s a 48 hour guaranty of any live stock including crix. just this year he’s successfully bred 6 female leo’s, 2 hog nose snakes, couple of rat and corn snakes, bearded dragons and royal pythons. even with sand leos know there eating it and spit most out, but yes it can cause impaction, but you don’t know how rare it is!! and don’t let my name fool you I’m not a kid.
-bug boy-
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05/28/06 12:28pm
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#807665
Mike420
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 807553
Isnt this really weird??
Reptileworshiper are you dusting any of the food with d3? If not, you need to dust the food 2 times a week with d3. You can section off the 40 gallon tank, with cardboard, wood, or something. I would seperate them, because like you said, you dont know how many they are eating. One may be eating close the nothing and the other eating most, or something like that. I would section the 40 gallon in half and put one leo on one side, and the other on the other side, so you can keep track of how much each on is eating, which is very important, especially since they are so thin.
Yes the mbd does seem to be improving, but your leo still needs to see a vet.
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05/28/06 01:29pm
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#807986
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Message To: Mike420 In reference to Message Id: 807665
Isnt this really weird??
ill call the vet and see if he has the calcium injections then ill bring her. Ill see wut i can do about the 10 gallon.
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05/28/06 06:02pm
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#817609
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 807986
Isnt this really weird??
ok..i seperated a 20 gallon tank and they each have 10 gallons now....the only thing ill need to do is get the calcium injections..ill tell ya how everything goes
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06/03/06 06:06pm
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#818253
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Message To: Ribbon man In reference to Message Id: 806248
 Isnt this really weird??
ya, i found out that my 10.5 month old, 5in. leo has mbd. he got sum shots at the vet & was lookin better in like 2hrs. i also got a liquid 2 put in his mouth 1 time a day for 60days. it cost $100 u.s., but leo didnt die so its worth it
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06/04/06 02:14am
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#818465
Scaly-Man
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 817609
Isnt this really weird??
good for you two that you got or are getting your leos better. I’m glad I got advice from an expert to dust gexzilla’s crickets with a braand of calcium with plenty of D3 and not to much A.
PS- when I saw the pics, I saw how they were the same size and the mbt and everything, but I thought it looked like one was eating the others tail at first!
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06/04/06 09:59am
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#818471
Scaly-Man
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 817609
Isnt this really weird??
good for you two that you got or are getting your leos better. I�m glad I got advice from an expert to dust gexzilla�s crickets with a braand of calcium with plenty of D3 and not to much A.
PS- when I saw the pics, I saw how they were the same size and the mbt and everything, but I thought it looked like one was eating the others tail at first!
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06/04/06 10:01am
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#823824
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Message To: Scaly-Man In reference to Message Id: 818471
Isnt this really weird??
lol it does look like Mango is eating dasher’s tail...but they love eachother too much lol
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06/07/06 06:54pm
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#825326
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Message To: Reptileworshiper In reference to Message Id: 823824
Isnt this really weird??
Who is Dave Cooke? I have never heard of him. Bug boy succesfully breeding all thouse reptiles isn’t hard. I have successfully bred leopard geckos, crested geckos bearded dragons, Uromastyx, Ball Pythons, Chameleons, water dragons, lots of species of turtles, and a few others. You don’t seem to know much since almost all pikies bought from pet stores have parasites and the only way you can get ones with out parasites is by breeding them your selve witch is a waste of time.
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06/08/06 06:40pm
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