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 Pueblan Milk... Three Easy Questions

Hi. First, I only THINK my snake is a Pueblan. I look at pics of sinoloans and I’m not so sure. What are the distinquishing characteristics of these milks?

Second, regarding shedding. From my research I believe the following to be true: When my milk is nearing shedding, his colors will dull and turn sort of a bluish color. After a few days, his colors will brighten back to normal. Then, a few days later, he will shed. Do I have this correct?

Third. I have heard of milk owners giving baths. Is this a good, bad, or indifferent practice?

Thanks.



08/17/08  11:29am

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  Message To: BrettA   In reference to Message Id: 1833778


 I’ll Give it a Go . . .

First, let me put in a plug for Google, which is where I got these links with pictures (since I don’t have any; my Sinaloan escaped and was a canine casualty, and Pueblans are still on my wish list). Note the wide band of red on the Sinaloan:

http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/biology/facilities/herp/caresheetpages/sinaloan.html

And now the contrast with the Pueblan . . .

http://www.applegatereptiles.com/species/campbelli.htm

You’re correct on what happens before they shed. Usually the first indication for me, even before the color change, is they will refuse to eat (although my big Nelson’s is an exception these days. Two weeks ago "he" wolfed down two F/T adult mice and promptly turned blue the next day).

I "bathe" my snakes by holding them under a running faucet with tepid water (warmish but not at all hot), which takes care of their hygiene stuff, but I’ve read about letting them swim for a time if they’re having a difficult shed. Nothing wrong with this practice, but I use paper towels moistened with warm water to work the old skin loose, being as gentle as I can, of course.

As soon as my snakes "turn blue" I put a "scratching rock" into their cages (I’ve got several, one’s a piece of lava, the other petrified wood, and the last one’s a piece of flat sandstone my angelfish wouldn’t spawn on--preferring the UG filter lift tubes). I also mist the cage heavily every chance I get since I live in what is essentially a desert area...

Good luck. I hope this helps . . .



08/17/08  12:24pm

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BrettA
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  Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 1833828


 I’ll Give it a Go . . .

Thanks!

OK... looking at these pics, it seems the obvious difference is that a sinoloan has long sections of red with short sections of red-beige-red separating them. A pueblan has roughly equal, short sections of alternating red-black-beige-black.

Also, it seems that a sinoloans scales maybe larger and more distinct. (At least from these pictures.)

That would make mine definitely a Pueblan.

Mine was labelled as an "apricot milk" at the pet store. The snake lady, who did seem to know her stuff, told me that he would get more of the orangey apricot color as he got older. At the moment he is really red, but the last two or three sections... the tiny ones at the tail... are quite orangey. Is this color change with maturation actually likely?

Thanks again.



08/17/08  04:39pm

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  Message To: BrettA   In reference to Message Id: 1834058


 Correction to My Last Post

Correction.....

"OK... looking at these pics, it seems the obvious difference is that a sinoloan has long sections of red with short sections of black-beige-black separating them.



08/17/08  06:08pm

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  Message To: BrettA   In reference to Message Id: 1834133


 Definitely a Peublan . . .

You didn’t mention the "apricot" designation, which is a morph found among Pueblans . . .

http://www.reptilesncritters.com/apricot-pueblan-milk-snake.html

On this one I just typed in "apricot Pueblan milk snake" into Google and I got 746 "hits" along with some nifty pictures . . .

Google is your friend . . .



08/18/08  06:12am


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