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 #883891


Kevinantivirus
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 40 gallon bredder

what do i use for the top on my arikes 40 gallon bd it came wihta scrennis that ok if not let me knoe
07/14/06  01:20pm

 #883904


Edward Howard
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 883891


 40 gallon bredder

dude i can’t understand a word you just said????????????????????????????????????????????????????
07/14/06  01:24pm

 #883915


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: Edward Howard   In reference to Message Id: 883904


 40 gallon bredder

ok i need to knoe what type of top i have a screen one on hter now a i dont pic up my acikes till 22nd an is screen ok or is it bad is that better. thxq



07/14/06  01:29pm

 #884802


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 883915


 40 gallon bredder

Screen is very bad and will dehydrate the cage and what’s inside it really fast. Either make a custom top out of wood or plastic, or cover all of the screen with aluminum foil or plastic. Whatever you do, just make sure it is solid. Enjoy your ackie, they are awesome monitors!
07/14/06  09:52pm

 #885543


SHvar
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 883891


 You said ackies right?

Do not use a 40 gallon aquarium, aquariums SUCK period.
40 gallon aquariums are way too short to ever get enough substrate in it, preferably you need 4x2x2ft cage for a small monitor. When grown up a pair could really make use of 6x3x3ft, but can use 4x2x2ft if they get along good enough.
Never use a screen top, they kill reptiles...
07/15/06  11:47am

 #886177


AJ Garter boy
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 883915


 40 gallon bredder

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wow u really need some grammar and spelling lessons...
07/15/06  07:56pm

 #886382


TheBandit1
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   Message To: AJ Garter boy   In reference to Message Id: 886177


 40 gallon bredder

Mr.Osbourne..I’m your biggest fan. ; )
07/15/06  10:08pm

 #887623


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: SHvar   In reference to Message Id: 885543


 You said ackies right?

its a
40 gallon reptile tank 40 galllon breeder its 4x2x2
07/16/06  06:49pm

 #887624


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: SHvar   In reference to Message Id: 885543


 You said ackies right?

its a
40 gallon reptile tank 40 galllon breeder its 4x2x2
07/16/06  06:49pm

 #890280


SHvar
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 887623


 No its not 4x2x2ft...

Even a 55 gallon is only 48 inches by 18 inches by 12 inches. So a 40 breeder is alot smaller. A 48x24x24 inch cage would be a 119.68831168831168 gallon tank if such a tank were ever made, almost 3 times the size of a 40 breeder.
07/18/06  01:40am

 #891765


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: SHvar   In reference to Message Id: 890280


 No its not 4x2x2ft...

no tis 36x24x24 an =89.77 Gallons you good now



07/18/06  08:17pm

 #892342


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   Message To: SHvar   In reference to Message Id: 890280


 No its not 4x2x2ft...

40 Breeders are 36x18x12, or I’ve seen 36x16x18. Hell, I have even seen them labeled at 36x18x18. A 55 gallon is usually 55x12x21 though.
-Adam
07/19/06  01:31am

 #892406


Marshall92
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   Message To: Anole_keeper   In reference to Message Id: 892342


 No its not 4x2x2ft...

i velieve a screen lid can be modified to house monitors. ive been housing my baby red ackie in a 20 gallon with most of the lid covered with aluminum foil. it does not dehydrate the cage at all. ifanything it holds it in almost too much. if i mist/wet the cage it will stay at around 70% humidity for 2-3 days.
07/19/06  02:10am

 #982802


SHvar
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   Message To: Marshall92   In reference to Message Id: 892406


 Ok, first of all.

NO, a 40 breeder is TOO SMALL, end of subject.
Next a 20 gallon aquarium with an ackie in for a short time doesnt qualify you to make the statement that its just fine and works good. Its not fine, its no good, its wrong, the animal needs more room, in fact the depth of a 20 would be just enough dirt for a very young ackie alone, not including whats needed above ground, let alone space needed to get a proper temperature gradient.
Sorry, reality sucks, a 4x2x2ft cage is a great place to start.



09/14/06  03:49am

 #983158


Ben Flynn
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   Message To: SHvar   In reference to Message Id: 982802


 Ok, first of all.

listen to Shvar he breeds these things so dont argue with smarter people.
09/14/06  02:40pm

 #1046208


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: Ben Flynn   In reference to Message Id: 983158


 Ok, first of all.

wel i have ahad my ackies now 4 6 months an thaay are in sepret 40 gallon tanks an are doing fina an none of you can tal thats it bad because my grand father is a reptile vet an said they will do fine in it



11/02/06  08:53pm

 #1046306


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 1046208


 Ok, first of all.

Being a reptile vet doesn’t mean that they know anything about the captive husbandry of reptiles. Listen to SHvar. He knows what he is talking about. A forty gallon fish tank is too small. Besides the size, fish tanks don’t make completely appropriate cages anyway. The monitors don’t understand the concept of glass and will constantly try to escape. And unless you provide a solid top, they won’t hold heat and humidity either.
11/02/06  09:53pm

 #1051856


Lizardkidd
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   Message To: Field_Herper   In reference to Message Id: 1046306


 Ok, first of all.

OMG! Kevinantivirus how old are you? You seriously need to learn how to spell. Every time I read something that you typed it makes me laugh.hahahahaha.



11/07/06  03:16pm

 #1053839


Savkeeper
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   Message To: Lizardkidd   In reference to Message Id: 1051856


 Ok, first of all.

listen to SHvar. ok man you dont know anything as we can tell. a 40 gallon is not big enough at all. the height is way off. they need pretty much that height but for dirt to be in. they dig alot and need 10" min. PERIOD!!! you cant get that with the proper heat for the basking spot and cool spot at all with a 40 gallon. so just throw that tank in the trash and build you a 4X2X2 and get your temps right and your husbandry right then talk to us.
11/08/06  11:58pm

 #1072171


Kevinantivirus
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   Message To: Savkeeper   In reference to Message Id: 1053839


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

idiots here thats all i can say he has a 23 foot burm in his waiting room at the clinc ppl he noes how to take car of them of so off



11/25/06  02:41am

 #1073794


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 1072171


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

Are we talking about Burmese pythons? Are we even talking about snakes? No, we are talking about acanthurus monitors and their captive husbandry, not their clinical health. They may survive and appear healthy in a fish tank, but will they thrive like they would in better caging?

You may keep them however you wish, as they are your lizards. However, it would NOT be unwise of you to listen to people who have actually kept and bred ackies. I kept my two yellows in a fifty-five gallon for the first several months of their life, and they did alright except for always trying to escape through the glass. But now they have a nice water trough with a plexi-glass lid. Tell us, how many monitors does your grandfather own? If he has ever owned one properly over a long period of time, then he should know that fish tanks are no good in the long run and that monitors need as much room as you can provide them. Your lizards may appear healthy, since monitors are extremely hardy animals and do well in the poorest of conditions. But, are they leading the best lifestyle that you can possibly give them? No.

Ryan
11/26/06  06:44pm

 #1075098


DRZRider
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   Message To: Kevinantivirus   In reference to Message Id: 1072171


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

Wow, someone need to use the spell check feature. All it takes is a click of the button.
11/27/06  07:34pm

 #1095414


Williamrobert
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   Message To: DRZRider   In reference to Message Id: 1075098


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

wow, shvar dishes nazi like advice, but last time i saw pics of his set up they were in an AQUARIUM! so drop the hypocracy. A 40 gallon breeder will work fine for an ackie plain and simple, some mods are needed, but yes overall it will work and sustain an (as in One ) ackie. Screen lids do not kill all reptiles, that is a farse as well, just some more of shvars scare tactics, it may not be ideal but it can and will work with a little work, less work than building your own custom cage. Shvar is not an expert, hatching 2 ackies does not make you king dingaling to act like a jerk to every kid with a question in here.



12/14/06  08:24pm

 #1095748


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Williamrobert   In reference to Message Id: 1095414


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

I am pretty sure that his aquarium setup was only temporary. And a forty gallon fish tank is too small to allow enough substrate. You also stated that this is a good size for a single animal, and I am pretty sure that he has a pair (don’t remember, though).

Now about the screen lids. Sir, tell us how many reptiles, especially monitors, have you kept successfully in fish tanks with screen lids? Have they bred? You say that they don’t all die from screen lids. Sir, we aren’t talking about all reptiles, we are talking about monitors. Besides, most people who keep reptiles (like bearded dragons, leopard geckos and uromastyx) with screen lids have to soak them frequently to keep them hydrated (leopard geckos have to be kept with artificial humid hides, but I mean it in the same effect). If properly set up, this would NOT be necessary. Tell me, should it be necessary to soak an animal who rarely, if ever, sees standing water in the wild?

You also say that it is less work to try and adapt a fish tank that is too small than it is to set up a custom cage. My enclosure consists of a metal stock trough with an acrylic lid. Wow, that was a lot of work to set up.

Also, I am nearly positive that those two ackies SHvar hatched were only from one of his clutches. This was the only one he posted. I also think that the pictures of the five eggs and the one of the female he dug up were from separate clutches. Now, I wouldn’t go as far as to say that he is an expert, as Frank Retes more so fits that category. But, he has had very much successful experience-probably more than you have had or will ever have.

Finally, who is really the jerk? The person giving the good advice, or the person refusing the good advice that he asked for? SHvar usually tries to be friendly during his first response. But, it is EXTREMELY frustrating when you try and give good advice that the person asked for and they try and argue with it. I have only been here a short while, and I am already frustrated with this.

Sir, maybe you should look over the advice you gave out.

Ryan
12/15/06  12:25am

 #1096272


Ben Flynn
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   Message To: Field_Herper   In reference to Message Id: 1095748


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

you show me a pic with all of SHvars reptiles in aquariums you cant find one cause there is none he been keeing monitors for whats going on 15 years now and sqirt his timor lived to be older than alot of people on this forum. if his info isnt good enough ask crocdoc. crocs been hatching tiger stripe lace monitors for years now and hel give you the same advise.


Ben
12/15/06  04:59pm

 #1096607


Williamrobert
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   Message To: Ben Flynn   In reference to Message Id: 1096272


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

here ya go, looks like an aquarium to me!
Link
12/15/06  10:21pm

 #1096954


Ben Flynn
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   Message To: Williamrobert   In reference to Message Id: 1096607


 Lol this is hella funny hamster brain

thats not an aquarium thats a wood cage lined with frp with a glass front for visibility.


Ben
12/16/06  10:33am

 #1097204


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Ben Flynn   In reference to Message Id: 1096954


 Man, this guy is stupid...

Actually, I think that that first picture IS of a fish tank. But, as I stated before, he no longer keeps them in tanks. He keeps them in tubs with solid lids or the previously mentioned wood lined with FRP cages.

Williamrobert: Most of the advice SHvar gives out is from his own experiences, unlike most (including me, but I have SOME experience, and have a hopefully gravid/cycling female ackie) who give out advice that they read about. It is often bad advice or altered good advice. Either way, it is not from their own experiences and they can’t back it up whatsoever. Sir, I am inclined to think that the advice you gave out was not based on experience OR good knowledge. You probably just made that up, received it from a dumb pet store employee, or read it in some crappy, inappropriate, pet store book.

Ryan
12/16/06  03:54pm

 #1097284


Ben Flynn
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   Message To: Field_Herper   In reference to Message Id: 1097204


 Man, this guy is stupid...

sorry ill give you that one but that was one you said all of his were in aquariums hough. and that is not a 40 gallon beeder that looks more like a 75 to me.


Ben
12/16/06  05:26pm

 #1097734


Field_Herper
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   Message To: Ben Flynn   In reference to Message Id: 1097284


 Man, this guy is stupid...

Yeah, that is definitely larger than a 40 breeder. Fish tanks can be adapted to work, but it requires much more effort and a more expensive tank (for it to be large enough for monitors). So, overall, custom cages are much better.

Oh and by the way, most of that previous post was directed at Williamrobert. I was not calling you stupid.

Ryan
12/17/06  02:02am
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