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Sidbarvin View Profile |
More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
I was just up there changing the water (I do this once or twice a day) between the two water pans thats about 40 gallons. Lots of trips back and forth with 5 gallon buckets. I like to spray the room down when I’m done and spray the monitors as well if they are out. They really enjoy it as they perk up and follow the spray around. When I was finished I sat down as I always do and watch them a while. They poke through the leaves and try to dig under the various cage fixtures I have for them in there. I began to wonder if I was really able to completely provide for these awesome animal’s needs both physical and mental. Am I giving them all of the things they need to display the wide range of behaviors that monitors possess. The answer is no on all accounts. When the big fella Marvin (my male nile) starts digging in the leaves, it takes him all of about 5 seconds to hit a bare floor. The dirt in the cage is good but still, either of my niles can move every bit of a near ton of dirt from one side of the cage to the other in half a day. I could ramble on endlessly but the point I’m trying to make for the kids or anyone for that matter who are thinking of getting or have already gotten a nile, albig, water, sav, etc, please ask yourself a few simple questions and try to answer them honestly. Can you afford it? There are threads here that go into detail about expenses. I make a descent income and when need be, can work more to cover costs. Can you say the same? Do you really have the space? I consider my niles room dimensions minimal, maybe less for two niles. Are you willing to do the work it takes to provide for their needs? Building cages and cleaning them, changing large amounts of water daily, finding and hauling literally tons of substrate and large cage fixtures like big logs, and rocks? Can you handle a large powerfull, healthy monitor if need be? From time to time I have found it necessary to handle my monitors for inspection, as they are injured here and there from daily activity. I am a 37 year old construction worker in excellent shape and find it difficult to handle the biguns on my own. I always sustain some sort of injurys myself, ha ha ha. What about some of you kiddies who spend most of your time in front of a computer or T.V. screen, playing video games or talking on your cell phones. Can you physically handle a large monitor? I’m sure the more experienced members here can think of more.
Hopefully there are a few who actually read through these posts. Roger |
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| 12/02/07 05:18pm |
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Glowinggecko123 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533668 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
 thats alot of work!!! i love large monitors and apriciate them, but i will never, ever be able to get one because of what you said: they are alot of work! i like to see pix of other ppls cuz they are beautiful!!!
btw, u have a gorgeous nile there!! |
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| 12/02/07 05:29pm |
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JR1987 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533668 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: I began to wonder if I was really able to completely provide for these awesome animal’s needs both physical and mental
This is one of the reasons i don’t keep the large monitors and also one of the reason i no longer keep many species of fish |
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| 12/02/07 05:33pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533668 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: I keep my two niles in a 13x15 bedroom together. Rescently I did a very thorough cleaning to the room and added about a foot of leaves to the four to six inches of cypress mulch I already had on the floor. I have a 4x8x4 cage in the room elevated off of the floor that is left open unless I need to separate the two for any reason. The cage has a couple feet of dirt in it.
I was just up there changing the water (I do this once or twice a day) between the two water pans thats about 40 gallons. Lots of trips back and forth with 5 gallon buckets. I like to spray the room down when I’m done and spray the monitors as well if they are out. They really enjoy it as they perk up and follow the spray around. When I was finished I sat down as I always do and watch them a while. They poke through the leaves and try to dig under the various cage fixtures I have for them in there. I began to wonder if I was really able to completely provide for these awesome animal’s needs both physical and mental. Am I giving them all of the things they need to display the wide range of behaviors that monitors possess. The answer is no on all accounts. When the big fella Marvin (my male nile) starts digging in the leaves, it takes him all of about 5 seconds to hit a bare floor. The dirt in the cage is good but still, either of my niles can move every bit of a near ton of dirt from one side of the cage to the other in half a day. I could ramble on endlessly but the point I’m trying to make for the kids or anyone for that matter who are thinking of getting or have already gotten a nile, albig, water, sav, etc, please ask yourself a few simple questions and try to answer them honestly. Can you afford it? There are threads here that go into detail about expenses. I make a descent income and when need be, can work more to cover costs. Can you say the same? Do you really have the space? I consider my niles room dimensions minimal, maybe less for two niles. Are you willing to do the work it takes to provide for their needs? Building cages and cleaning them, changing large amounts of water daily, finding and hauling literally tons of substrate and large cage fixtures like big logs, and rocks? Can you handle a large powerfull, healthy monitor if need be? From time to time I have found it necessary to handle my monitors for inspection, as they are injured here and there from daily activity. I am a 37 year old construction worker in excellent shape and find it difficult to handle the biguns on my own. I always sustain some sort of injurys myself, ha ha ha. What about some of you kiddies who spend most of your time in front of a computer or T.V. screen, playing video games or talking on your cell phones. Can you physically handle a large monitor? I’m sure the more experienced members here can think of more Ain’t that the truth!  |
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| 12/02/07 06:26pm |
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Holygouda View Profile |
Message To: Savannah monitor 4 In reference to Message Id: 1533733 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Nice post mate. It was a much easier read than many here because it was written in proper English and separated into paragraphs, which seems to be a dying art. |
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| 12/02/07 07:07pm |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Glowinggecko123 In reference to Message Id: 1533678 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
I believe that the state of affairs in the good ole USA is in dire jeporady. Our young people are not held to any kind of higher standard these days nor are they made to do many things they don’t feel like doing, like maybe, uh.... HARD WORK. The English language and the great American work ethic are things of the past. Hopefully I am wrong. |
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| 12/02/07 08:17pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533859 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: Our young people are not held to any kind of higher standard these days nor are they made to do many things they don’t feel like doing, like maybe, uh.... HARD WORK
Yea, Just think of all the fat a** 13-year olds that sit on the couch and play their xbox 360 all day and are getting straight D’s on their report card! I’m proud to be a straight A student who collects Jurassic Park toys and keeps over 34 species of reptiles and they are in peak condition. At least I get out there and can build a LIZARD a 12x6x4 cage and guess WHAT???!!! I CAN SPELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m just tired of seeing the people(teens) that come on a MONITOR forum and start speaking about random sh@# and keep their poor d$#@ lizards in a 20-gallon and just like Roger so "nobley" said "If I had gotten a large fishtank, lined the bottom with reptirug, kept a constant temp of about 90 and fed ten crickets every other day". If you can’t speak, either go to the BD forum or the off topic forum. 
Sorry just had to let that out  |
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| 12/02/07 09:20pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533859 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: Our young people are not held to any kind of higher standard these days nor are they made to do many things they don’t feel like doing, like maybe, uh.... HARD WORK
Yea, Just think of all the fat a** 13-year olds that sit on the couch and play their xbox 360 all day and are getting straight D’s on their report card! I’m proud to be a straight A student who collects Jurassic Park toys and keeps over 34 species of reptiles and they are in peak condition. At least I get out there and can build a LIZARD a 12x6x4 cage and guess WHAT???!!! I CAN SPELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m just tired of seeing the people(teens) that come on a MONITOR forum and start speaking about random sh@# and keep their poor d$#@ lizards in a 20-gallon and just like Roger so "nobley" said "If I had gotten a large fishtank, lined the bottom with reptirug, kept a constant temp of about 90 and fed ten crickets every other day". If you can’t speak, either go to the BD forum or the off topic forum.
Sorry just had to let that out |
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| 12/02/07 09:20pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533859 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: Our young people are not held to any kind of higher standard these days nor are they made to do many things they don’t feel like doing, like maybe, uh.... HARD WORK
Yea, Just think of all the fat a** 13-year olds that sit on the couch and play their xbox 360 all day and are getting straight D’s on their report card! I’m proud to be a straight A student who collects Jurassic Park toys and keeps over 34 species of reptiles and they are in peak condition. At least I get out there and can build a LIZARD a 12x6x4 cage and guess WHAT???!!! I CAN SPELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m just tired of seeing the people(teens) that come on a MONITOR forum and start speaking about random sh@# and keep their poor d$#@ lizards in a 20-gallon and just like Roger so "nobley" said "If I had gotten a large fishtank, lined the bottom with reptirug, kept a constant temp of about 90 and fed ten crickets every other day". If you can’t speak, either go to the BD forum or the off topic forum.
Sorry just had to let that out |
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| 12/02/07 09:21pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533859 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: Our young people are not held to any kind of higher standard these days nor are they made to do many things they don’t feel like doing, like maybe, uh.... HARD WORK
Yea, Just think of all the fat a** 13-year olds that sit on the couch and play their xbox 360 all day and are getting straight D’s on their report card! I’m proud to be a straight A student who collects Jurassic Park toys and keeps over 34 species of reptiles and they are in peak condition. At least I get out there and can build a LIZARD a 12x6x4 cage and guess WHAT???!!! I CAN SPELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m just tired of seeing the people(teens) that come on a MONITOR forum and start speaking about random sh@# and keep their poor d$#@ lizards in a 20-gallon and just like Roger so "nobley" said "If I had gotten a large fishtank, lined the bottom with reptirug, kept a constant temp of about 90 and fed ten crickets every other day". If you can’t speak, either go to the BD forum or the off topic forum.
Sorry just had to let that out |
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| 12/02/07 09:23pm |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Savannah monitor 4 In reference to Message Id: 1533951 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
My hat is off to you Savannamonitor 4! |
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| 12/02/07 09:39pm |
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Holygouda View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533987 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
The thing that kills me about the spelling is that the dang forum underlines words that are spelled wrong when you type them! If someone submits a post covered in red dotted lines, can you say borderline retarded? I can’t wait to get a new monitor. I miss having them so much! Although mine died, it wasn’t because of poor husbandry, thankfully. Have a good day! |
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| 12/03/07 01:05am |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Holygouda In reference to Message Id: 1534188 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/03/07 08:17am |
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Jokikass View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533987 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/03/07 12:25pm |
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Taggo View Profile |
Message To: Jokikass In reference to Message Id: 1534416 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
I so agree with you,i hate to see any type of reptile neglected by anybody because of a lack of knowledge,or just pure laziness of owners!! People buy a new reptile and after a few weeks,or days they realise how much work they are and the care they need and go back into a pet shop to try get rid of them. I also blame SOME pet shops for this aswell,some of them just simply dont have a clue!! And will not tell the potential buyer of their needs. I am a teen myself,i am 16,(17)in a few days days,ive kept many reptiles and properly cared for all of them,ive had reptiles since i was 8 or so(with help from my parents)i have a young sav and just built him a TEMPERARY cage,its 5x3x3,and growing fast. Please,if you are going to buy a reptile,or most pets,do lots and lots of studying and be prepared for the vet/food/housing bills. I would Love to buy a nile someday,i think they are amazing reptiles,maybe when i have my own house ill have a spare room for it.. |
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| 12/03/07 02:05pm |
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Lizardkidd View Profile |
Message To: Taggo In reference to Message Id: 1534462 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: i have a young sav and just built him a TEMPERARY cage,its 5x3x3,and growing fast.
Your cage can grow! Ha ha ha. Again great post Roger. Steven. |
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| 12/03/07 03:25pm |
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Taggo View Profile |
Message To: Lizardkidd In reference to Message Id: 1534514 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/03/07 03:42pm |
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Kyshawn View Profile |
Message To: Taggo In reference to Message Id: 1534522
u guys couldn’t state your statements any clearer all where asking is for people who buy large animals is to make your u can accommodate these large beautiful animals!!!!! i rest my case lol!!!!!!! |
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| 12/03/07 06:56pm |
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Savannah monitor 4 View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533987 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: My hat is off to you Savannamonitor 4!
My name is Kevin(thanks, my hat is off to you too  )
Quote: Savannamonitor4 may be a good student, but somehow has a problem creating a post. Either it’s lack of patience...pushing the post button too many times, or a temperamental computer. I’m hoping its the latter.
Sorry, it’s just this d*** new iMac.
P.S Take care of your monitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 12/03/07 08:00pm |
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AlbigCrazy View Profile |
Message To: Savannah monitor 4 In reference to Message Id: 1534821 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Roger is spot on! I know for a fact most of us, even experienced keepers, know our animals need more room than we give them. The problem accrues when we don’t give them proper temps, humidity ranges, and places to hide/burrow, along with Mental stimuli. Which is my biggest problem in keeping Varanids, is making sure they have things to do, and places to get away from each other (if being kept together). I am currently making plans for a larger cage, but still in my mind it’s not large enough. Savannah Monitor 4, I think your problem is the Mac it’s self. :P PC’s rule! Cheerio. |
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| 12/03/07 08:14pm |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: AlbigCrazy In reference to Message Id: 1534837 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Hey Kevin, my daughter is 13 and a 4.0 student. My other kids tease her and call her a geek but she has many freedoms the others do not since they put forth only the amount of effort needed to earn profficient marks. My 12 year old boy bugged me for an argus monitor for a while so I told him that if he showed me he could care for my niles on his own for a couple weeks, then save his money for the stuff to build a large cage, then I would allow it. He had already saved a couple hundred bucks from working with me over the summer, but when it came to hauling five gallon buckets of turd water out of the nile room twice a day he decided on spending his money on some silly video games instead. Taggo, Steven, and Kyshawn, It’s hard for me not to lump all of the kids that come here with questions about large monitors that they either have already gotten or are thinking of getting into the same category. I’m sure in rare circumstances they have situations and the level of responsibility to pull off caring for the big ones. The majority of these kids getting niles, savs and waters are here only for a short time, hmmm how are their animals faring? |
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| 12/08/07 09:55pm |
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Anarchy Is Order View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533668 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/21/07 12:48pm |
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Weeze View Profile |
Message To: Anarchy Is Order In reference to Message Id: 1552637
:( I own my own construction company and although small, money has never been an issue. Sibvarin, if your in NE Illinois and need a side job let me know! I pay top dollar to fellow keepers. If money was an issue I would have found a cheaper hobby (like birdwatching, hahaha). It’s not that hard to afford monitors once established in life. I mean, they cost less than the mortgage, hahaha, and if you can’t afford a lizard how can you afford a kid? Then again, I don’t think some of the humans on this site should be breeding. I went as far as to build a greenhouse for my caimans when I had them. Any kiddies have the means for that? Granted, it was not necassary, but it was the best I could do and it was as good as it gets except for nature. If money is an issue, don’t even get started, and just wait until you can take on such an all consuming hobby. I think that kids coming on here making up stories is another problem. There is enough bad advice from random kids on this site to make me choke. Drowning lizards to tame? Come on now. That doesn’t even make sense. Do they sell stunted monitors? I thought that was animal cruelty (unless you mean dwarf, in which case, I understand). Giving wine to lizards? I used a drop of liquor to make a biting monitor let go once (I had a vicious 5’ 4" nile), but it was attached to my arm for almost 10 minutes, so I had no choice. There are good people on here, and I respect you guys. You know who you are, but I’m sure some of you are thinking you are the s*it even though I don’t mean you. I can tell you are passoinate about taking good care of your specimens. Granted our views can clash from time to time, but it happens. I have only one thing to say to kids who want to try to take on a large lizard. If you can’t afford a home, a car, pay your own bills, aren’t done growing yourself yet, and all in all just aren’t independant, what makes you think you can tak on the life of something else and be responsible for it? Because you get straight A’s in school? Sav 4, if your daddy got a gila in august, how come the web site he got it from only ships them in november? Just curious. Wow, I’ll give you a cookie one day for being a good little boy at school. I sure hope your mommy and daddy are nice enough to spoon feed you and your lizards through your entire lives. Sorry, I need to vent, because it is people like you kids who make the rest of us look bad. How many kids will have a new monitor waiting in thier stockings this year? And how many will lose interest in a week and let their animals die a slow death because they are not ready? My guess is a lot. Sibvarin, Albig, Krusty, Kap10tivity, a couple others, you guys are the shiz. I may have not talked to you directly, but I can tell you guys know what your doing. Keep up the good work. I’ll check in every once and a while to see whats up. I just can’t help the wicked, I don’t have it in me. Merry christmas to you all, and to all a good night. For you kids, sleep well and think of what your life would be like if you were your lizard. Justin I don’t think Reedie counts as a kid even though he said he’s 13. You sound like a good kid who is capable and knowledgeable. High five to you. The rest of you good keepers know who you are, keep these kids lizards alive for them please, because they can’t do it alone. |
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| 12/21/07 10:51pm |
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3240 View Profile |
Message To: Weeze In reference to Message Id: 1553230 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
No offense, but after reading all of your posts it sounds as if you don’t keep anything. What’s the longest that you’ve ever owned a reptile? Why do you constantly trade, sell, give away, and buy again? In my opinion, you’re setting a terrible example. I’d really like to see pictures of you enclosures and the green house. They must be incredible considering that you’re a carpenter by trade. Also, I grew up in Chicago and it gets very cold. How do you keep that Caimen greenhouse of yours warm in the winter? |
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| 12/22/07 01:50am |
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Weeze View Profile |
Message To: 3240 In reference to Message Id: 1553508 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
I wouldn’t call my enclosures incredible, they are not as good as some I’ve seen on here. I can’t provide an entire room for them to free roam. It would be awesome if I could, but I can’t. Terrible example or not, everything I’ve had was healthy except for the occasional common sicknesses and cases of mites. I didn’t come here to set an example. That would be a conceeded to think I can do that. I came to share my experiences, probably like most of you did. Merry christmas. Justin |
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| 12/22/07 08:17pm |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1533668 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/28/07 01:16am |
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Spikesmydragon View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1558449 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
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| 12/28/07 01:49am |
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KRoCc View Profile |
Message To: Spikesmydragon In reference to Message Id: 1558471 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
hey roger! just for all these young kids on this board i started out the same way. and guys like roger chad and shay directed me toward smaller monitors also. there dwarfs but very rewarding. ive strayed away from varanids for a while but i just got settled in life and now have my own apt so iam getting back into it. BUT that didnt mean i wasnt studing and learning all i can learn about these creatures. as an aspiring herpetologist i understand that its research research research not buy now and be suprised later. ;-) felipe |
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| 12/28/07 05:32am |
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Denial9945 View Profile |
Message To: KRoCc In reference to Message Id: 1558537 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Just be careful with herps in an apartment. I am in one now and I absolutly hate it. lol. Theres no room for any of my guitars or amps or anything because there are reptiles and reptile cages everywhere. Stacked to the ceiling. We have been looking for a house for the past 5 months but nothing to my liking but if im in this apartment much longer im going to pull some hair out. |
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| 12/28/07 11:55am |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Spikesmydragon In reference to Message Id: 1558471 More For The Youngins Wanting Large Monitors.
Quote: This post is inspiring almost. It is kind of insulting to anyone under 18 though.
Quote: The only part my parents play in my housing of reptiles, is buying the stuff that they need. There is an exception about building the cages though, can you really expect a 14 year old to build a 7x4x2 tank all by himself. I am starting with an Ackie monitor, and i swear i will give this animal the best life an ackie can possibly have.
Statements like these are one of the reasons this thread was started. Spikes, this thread is in no way meant to be inspiring. It is meant to be informative, to give people who really don’t have the means of supporting large monitors, and are thinking about getting one, something to think about. Another reason is because of the amount of posts we get here that always seem to start with some variation of " My father said I have to get rid of my sav/nile/water monitor because" A: he did not realize it needed such a big cage and we don’t have room. B: he did not realize the food bill would be so high and my allowance is not enough to cover it C: he heard that they could inflict serious injuries and he is worried I will get hurt D: he does not know how to build a cage and neither do I E: the cage smells and he wants it gone F: I did not know that it needed so much dirt and he does not want dirt in the house I could go on and on. Obviously, some parents are willing to support a their kid’s reptile habit and even become involved. This thread does not apply to those people. Also, when it comes to LARGE monitors, these, supportive parents are rare. Maybe your parents are willing to foot the bill and build the cage and give you whatever you need for your ackie. Good I’m glad. An ackie is much different than a nile, sav or water monitor. The cost and amount of work involved is much, much greater for large monitors. Notice the title of the thread. Kids these days seem to have a need to be coddled and catered to, so I will humor you by saying something I rarely say; This is not meant to offend so please do not take it that way. You see spikes, there is such a thing as the truth and the truth is not always fair and not always what one want’s to hear. So many kids come here with the old "I don’t think it’s fair for you to say this or that, I’m just asking for help. They show pictures of crappy fishtank cages and sick monitors and say "what do you think". We tell them what we think and things they can do to correct the problems and almost every time they become offended. "well you could have said it this way or that way and been a little nicer" they say. Who cares what tone is used if someone is taking the time to help. On a side note, most adults don’t have the means and dedication to properly support and care for large monitors. Kid’s, hmmmm, think about it. Roger |
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