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Need some advice
the vet says she is very light for a Nile of around the suspected age of a year to a year and a half.(he mentioned sort of being able to Gage the age of a Nile by the distance between the spots i guess hatching’s and smaller ones rows are closer together) i have been offering her various rodents for about 2 weeks now not with tongs (she doesn’t like them) just placing them in her enclosure with her. she will not eat them I’ve tried "bleeding" them (cutting a slit in the head of the pray item) also tried dabbibg a bit of blood from meat( ground beef and steak) she also has cut drastically back on crickets she may go through 30 a week now( I’ve been told she is supposed to put more down then my tegu and my tegu eats around 120 of em a week). needless to say I’m at a loss as to why she is not eating anymore the vet said he doesn’t know why either, but reccomended a worm test. has anyone else had this problem before and if so how did ya remedy it? |
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| 04/30/08 11:48am |
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Sdslancs View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721072 Need some advice
Quote: I’m at a loss as to why she is not eating anymore the vet said he doesn’t know why either, but reccomended a worm test.
That should have been done from the beginning. Couldn’t hurt to do now though.
Is this the one that’s a blue color? And is the vet the one who told you she’s about a year and half, or do you have proof she’s been in captivity that long? Just curious. |
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| 04/30/08 11:54am |
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Nermie View Profile |
Message To: Sdslancs In reference to Message Id: 1721081 Need some advice
and it might be one from Florida. (the vet did mention something about they are starting to wild catch them from there too cause Florida wants em gone and ya don’t gotta clear customs at that point). and the tests came back negative for worms and parasites. i am left with 2 thoughts on this. 1. its very stressed? As to what puzzles me shes been in the same set up now for a month and was doing well 2 or so weeks ago. i haven’t changed a thing side swapping the water daily and I’ve been doing that at the same time every morning. 2. if it is as old as suspected is it poss able it has got accustomed to a certain food type? (live fed vs prekilled or sea food. or even worse commercial food or dog/cat food) and simply is to afraid to try or wont try anything else cause its been mistreated so long (with elements success with his adoption i think this is the lesser but i still feel compelled to ask ask I’m very worried now). the vet says she is around 1 pound 370.4 grams according to him she should be 4 times that weight (though comparing mine to rogers rogers look like they weigh like 30 or 40 pounds each) (probably not but I’m kinda gaging the size my Niles should be on rogers pictures and advice. rogers where around 4 feet at one year mines around 2 foot so if she is as old as we think she could be in bad shape). i think ill go to a second vet to be sure but i am greatly concerned about my little gal and would like to do everything i can to in sure a long life for her if at all poss able (she is a last to care for thought its not easy its not being as hard as i thought (aside from this situation) its about as costly though). one thing i did forget to mention basking and exploring have all but halted with her too i see her maybe 20 minutes a day on her basking spot now its gotten 2 degrees cooler as its temping at 137 surface temp but everything else is staying stable. here’s the stats this morning. ambient air temp - 83 degrees warm 79 cool end. humidity - 61 % around warm side bask 73 % cool side bask . diet - crickets as needed (put em in sets of 20 to 40 depending on depletion rate dusted 6 times a week (3 days with miner-all with d3 and 3 days without) also offer her a range of fish (cod mack rel and or trout strips or chunks) and various whole prekilled rodents (small rat pups or larger mice fuzzies). water source- 50 liter cat pan changed daily more often as needed. substrate - eco earth 19 inch’s deep side 4 inch’s shallow side (i didn’t have enough of it on hand and I’m waiting for a good rain or something to soften the dirt from my yard so it isn’t rock). lighting - 1 150 w mvb approximately 5 inch’s from the warm end bask 1 75 w reptibask bulb for the cool end and 1 150 w ceramic heater i use to keep the temp up if it drops (to date it really hasn’t). cage - 125 gallon fish tank 6x2x18 with a 1/2inch thick table top and augmented plexi glass pieces covering 95 percent of the openings on top( left 5 percent for ventilation with a possibility of 15 percent being open if i need more air in there) also use a small fan to circulate air into the cage (like one of the little ones ya can put on your desk from walmart). i got photos on my profile as to the set up. ill try to get more when i go to the next vet appt. (thankfully tomorrow) |
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| 04/30/08 02:58pm |
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Sdslancs View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721210 Need some advice
Quote: also use a small fan to circulate air into the cage Hopefully, you’re not using that, if your ambient hot side temp is only 83f. I’d get that raised to closer to 100, if you can do it without raising your cool end ambient. To me, there doesn’t seem to be enough of a temp gradient. Not saying that’s whats wrong with her, just throwing it out there. Also, might want to try swapping the crickets for roaches as they’d be a healthier feeder if insects are all she’ll take. If you’re handling her/interacting much? I wouldn’t. Also, if you’re not already doing this, let some crickets run free in the tank, so she can chase if she gets the urge. (a few at a time, so she’s not stressed out)
Good luck! ps most vets suck when it comes to monitors. |
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| 04/30/08 04:29pm |
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Nermie View Profile |
Message To: Sdslancs In reference to Message Id: 1721297 Need some advice
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| 04/30/08 05:56pm |
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Sdslancs View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721371 Need some advice
Quote: ambient air temp - 83 degrees warm 79 cool end.
Maybe you could move your other lamp closer to the hot end, because I think your cool end could be cooler, but your hot end needs to be hotter, esp’ if she’s not basking much.
So, as far as her age, she could actually be between 6-8 months, based on previous ownership? And the only reason you think she is closer to two, is because your vet said he thought so? He must be some vet to be able to guess a monitors age, cause even the ’experts’ have a hard time. I’d go by past ownership and add a couple months. I just can’t see that particular nile with the coloring, sitting in a pet store too long. I can see why you’re worried about her not eating. Did you say you tried live small mice/hoppers? |
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| 04/30/08 06:17pm |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721371 Need some advice
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| 04/30/08 07:49pm |
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Nermie View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1721476 Need some advice
and yes i have tried small fuzzies and large pinks of both rat and mouse and fish (i use the size of her head rule to determine how big to feed her if i understood the posts here right the pray shoudl be no larger then the widres part of her head scince they swallow prey whole) |
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| 05/01/08 01:38am |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721371 Need some advice
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| 05/01/08 07:28am |
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Sdslancs View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721831 Need some advice
Quote: if i understood the posts here right the pray shoudl be no larger then the widres part of her head scince they swallow prey whole)
I thought that was only for Bearded Dragons? If not, I’d like to know, because I don’t recall seeing that statement on this forum. |
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| 05/01/08 07:42am |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721831 Need some advice
If your nile is continually nose rubbing and scratching at the glass on the cage in an attempt to escape, either your temps or humidity levels are too high or both. If your monitor is slow and lethargic, temps are too low. If it spends most of it’s time in the water, the humidity is too low. If your monitor seems to bask all the time, basking temps are too low, likewise the opposite, basking temps too high, it wiil bask for only a very short time or not at all. Watch your monitor closely and think about the environmental factors involved as they are related to the way it behaves. Any of these factors or combination thereof can cause loss of appetite or refusal of food all together. Get your husbandry straightened out and leave the set up and critter alone. The more you muck around with temps and the setup in general, the more stress you will add. Chronic stress leads to other health issues. GET A TEMP GUN ASAP! Roger |
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| 05/01/08 08:05am |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1721948 Need some advice
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| 05/01/08 08:13am |
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Nermie View Profile |
Message To: Sidbarvin In reference to Message Id: 1721951 Need some advice
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| 05/01/08 09:21am |
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Sidbarvin View Profile |
Message To: Nermie In reference to Message Id: 1721992 Need some advice
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