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 #2169273


Grevilavec
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 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Alright, so I recently purchased a Blue Tail Monitor from Ben Siegal. He said they were Captive Hatched, eating well, and they were feeding them by hand and they were taking well. He warned that they weren’t handled but were active while people walked around the cage.

I’ve had him for about a week now, the only thing he will eat are mice, and never when I’m even close. I’ve tried putting out Super Worms in a tiny bowl but it won’t take. I’m going to try to feed him a Turkey ball thing as soon as I find out exactly how to prep them properly.

All the lizard does when I’m near is stare me down, swim around in his pool, go hide, and dart fast into the walls of the enclose. I’m aware that I have already made a few beginner mistakes, I took him out of the cage to feed him on day 2 and again on day 4, now he is rediculously paranoid so I’ve stopped and just feeding him in the cage.

After I give him some time to chill out and make sure he is eating properly, how is the best way I go about "Taming" him. I’ve read alot of conflicting information and personally don’t think the tub technique is going to work with this guy. How can I get him to not dart around when I want to pick him up, not try to run away, not crap on me, but not kill off his will to live. I’d like to make the Monitor confortable around me but be inquisative. I am aware taming these is hard task, but I’m up for the challenge and long haul, I really want this guy to work.

I am a very compassionate person with my pets but can’t do the talking to them thing, I’m already mentally ill, I don’t need to add the talking to things that don’t respond to my wrap :p.

For a short term goal I’d like to get him at least eating off tongs and excited about food to excersie him with tongs a bit. As it is now, trying to get out and swimming in his pool he gets plenty of exercise.

Thanks for any help you offer me, I would greatly appreciate it.



08/14/10  01:18am

 #2169467


Grevilavec
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  Message To: Grevilavec   In reference to Message Id: 2169273


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Becuase Pics seem to draw attention and I really would appreciate aid to limit the time I need to take breaking the animal in.



08/15/10  12:43am

 #2169505


Sulfurboy1o3
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  Message To: Grevilavec   In reference to Message Id: 2169467


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Its best to just let it be and provide the best conditions you can for him. The lizard is eating and looks hydrated by the photo. I’d just wait it out until the lizard comes to you for food, thats really one of the best ways to a monitors heart....foood! Force handling is a no no in the monitor world and they are good at holding grudges, esp. indo types. Let them come to you.

There is no time set on when your monitor will come around...it may be weeks, months, years or maybe even never.

This species is known to be a very unforgiving type of monitor, esp if its your first few times around. They are pretty shy and you have to appreciate the belly of the beast to really understand the animal.

As for right now, stick to what you are doing. Continue researching and applying, and as well as feeding and maintanence. Again, VERY pretty lizard. I love indicus types!

_khai



08/15/10  10:46am

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Manchild
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  Message To: Sulfurboy1o3   In reference to Message Id: 2169505


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Just to mirror what Khai said,it is best to leave this animal alone.The Indcus complex can be very shy and quite nervous.They take some time to settle in and some never do.I have a group of Peach throats that I never see,the best I get is a tail running into it hide.I put food in and it disappears,and the water gets dirty every day.(For all I know they are have a keg party while I’m at work)


99.999999999999999% of all Blue Tails die in captivity(evan by the most experienced keeperes)


Greg



08/15/10  04:54pm

 #2169582


Grevilavec
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  Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2169567


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Huh, I’m going to assume that death statistic means that they die of old age and not stress, becuase everything dies. If not that would have been a fun statistic to know on all the sites I visited to read about care.

My main site was: http://webhome.idirect.com/~varanus/bluetailf2.html Which lead me to believe that I could tame it down with time and effort after it settles in.



08/15/10  06:04pm

 #2169624


Sulfurboy1o3
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  Message To: Grevilavec   In reference to Message Id: 2169582


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

They die because people get bored, they go to horrible homes with poor practices of monitor husbandry. Usually of stress and dehydration. They just make horrible captives for the folks who aren’t willing to go through the motions of having a shy and skittish animal.

There are not many adult doreanus out there.



08/15/10  10:24pm

 #2169625


Sulfurboy1o3
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  Message To: Sulfurboy1o3   In reference to Message Id: 2169624


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

The word tolerant would be a better word to use. You have an animal that will already allow pics to be taken, and will take food... just give it more time to come around. MDF(Mark) has some great video examples of how to interact with monitors on their terms without having to be invasive.



08/15/10  10:28pm

 #2169630


Grevilavec
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  Message To: Sulfurboy1o3   In reference to Message Id: 2169625


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Luckily for the lizard I’m willing to put in the time. And dehydration isn’t an issue at all, I’ve hooked up a fog system that can raise the humidity level in the cage to 95% in 3 min...and that little guy stays in the water bowl alot.

Stress is something I’m worried about I don’t want to this guy up, I want it to work out. One tactic I’m using to make him tolerate me is I have him set up in my room next to my desk, so when I’m up and working on my computer he can see me and know I"m not a threat. I am doing this rather than put him in my dining room area becuase that area fluxuates from no action to people passing by fast often, to rediculous noise and things going on.

Also a link to those non invasive techs would be nice, I’ve just been changing the water tub out, cleaning poop, and putting food in the cage. I would really like to get to the point where I can bring the lizard to a feeding box and not feed it in the cage.



08/15/10  11:00pm

 #2169639


Sulfurboy1o3
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  Message To: Grevilavec   In reference to Message Id: 2169630


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Type in MDF on youtube, or just open the post and click the links he’s provided within the last couple days/ weeks here.

Make sure your cage doesn’t have big open mesh lids/screen tops and your humidity problem shouldn’t be a problem. There is also a thread we bump regularly here called "how to" cages. It covers a great deal on how to construct FUNCTIONAL monitor cages.

Just focus on feeding the lizard in the enclosure now to not add any more stress. This feeding technique used by snake keepers may not work to well for stressful lizards. This monitor of yours may one day get to the point where it will tackle food off tongs, then you can just lure it out of the cage and feed it then. ....but grabbing or ripping a monitor out of the cage and putting it in a bin to feed is something that isn’t needed or recommended. A healthy, hungry monitor will eat anywhere pretty much.



08/15/10  11:24pm

 #2169645


Grevilavec
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  Message To: Sulfurboy1o3   In reference to Message Id: 2169639


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

Alright good to know! I recently tried to feed it a turkey ball. It took the turkey off the feeding plate and drug it around.

Does this monitor have a sense of taste?
I think I might have mixed in too much calcium and vitamins, would that have made it not like it. Either that or I was unable to finely enough cut up the turkey so it could bit a bit off and move it to a safe place to eat?

Typically the Monitor takes the mouse, gets it a good bit in its mouth, then goes to the water bowl to finish it off.



08/15/10  11:30pm

 #2169647


Sulfurboy1o3
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  Message To: Grevilavec   In reference to Message Id: 2169645


 Blue Tail Monitor Aid

some take food to their safe spot to eat....but I couldnt really tell you.



08/15/10  11:43pm


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