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 #2182647


SwampDonkey
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 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Ive seen some black throat x white throat crosses, as well as Sumatran x Bivitattus water monitor crosses. So which ones can interbreed?

maybe a black throat x ornate?

Thoughts?



10/21/10  10:21pm

 #2182654


Reptictale92
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  Message To: SwampDonkey   In reference to Message Id: 2182647


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

All of those monitors that are crossed bred have huge health problems. The only ones that I think are good to cross bred is certain species of Agrus monitors like the sand and the original one or something like that.



10/21/10  10:56pm

 #2182679


BansheeRacer25
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  Message To: Reptictale92   In reference to Message Id: 2182654


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

They can be bred and perfectly fine health wise. The question is why the he’ll! Would you cross. There are a bunch of species you can cross but its stupid. Wc can barely be bred to the right species let alone a different species.



10/22/10  06:59am

 #2182694


Krusty
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  Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2182679


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Reptical92 - you couldn’t be more off-base. Why the heck would it be acceptable to cross V. panoptes from tropical PNG to an Australian desert Sand Monitor, V. gouldii? Just because they, and a ton of other species, are physically able to mate and produce mongrel babies, does not justify doing this. I think intentionally crossing ANY Varanid species is half, no fully, baked. How about simply getting two Monitors of the same species to breed and then play Frankenstein privately to yourself.

People have bred several Tree Monitors, Salvator types, Gouldii types, Caudolineatus x Gilleni and all sorts of mixes, but it’s not a good thing. It’s done more out of necessity or ignorance with rare or poorly understood animals. But to do it intentionally, because it’s "cool and neat" is creepy. If a human mated an Orangutan and somebody was doing this for cool animal projects, you’d have a much different outlook of "tampering" with what should not be tampered with.



10/22/10  08:47am

 #2182703


Krusty
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  Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2182694


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Hey guys, lets make some of these. They’re cool:



10/22/10  09:57am

 #2182704


Krusty
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  Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2182703


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?



10/22/10  10:01am

 #2182709


BansheeRacer25
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  Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2182704


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

LOL



10/22/10  11:18am

 #2182714


Reptictale92
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  Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2182709


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

I was saying that the crosses between the two Agrus monitors are the only ones that I see often. I am not for cross breeding (except for snakes) for the fact being that they are few people in America that do not breed the same kind of monitor, so why should we worry about what we should cross bred. One monitor though I would love to see, and this would just be a one time thing is a Yellow, and red Ackie cross I am sorry, but I think that would be awesome to see in a lifetime. Not for one second was I saying it was alright to bred the two Agrus monitor spiecies.



10/22/10  12:12pm

 #2182751


SwampDonkey
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  Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2182704


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Oh this wasnt a question of the moral implications of interbreeding species, just which ones could, and which ones have. A few years ago I came across an animal being sold as a Black Throat, but looked VERY strange. It was a stunner with rich yellow bands on its tail that continued up its back. I think there were 4 bands on its back, each with a bright yellowish orange spot in the center with progressively smaller spots tapering down its sides. In some areas the scales were jet black. It had a longer tail than any black throat id seen as well. I looked around for the picture but cant even remember what site it was on. It looked all the world like a black throat x ornate.

Anyone else seen this?



10/22/10  04:06pm

 #2182778


BansheeRacer25
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  Message To: Reptictale92   In reference to Message Id: 2182714


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

V a b and v a a crosses are quite common. Basically looks like a $hitty red.



10/22/10  08:20pm

 #2182806


SwampDonkey
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  Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2182778


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

A red what?



10/22/10  10:55pm

 #2182819


BansheeRacer25
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  Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2182778


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

I’m sorry. Red ackie. I figured everyone knew what I was talking about.



10/23/10  12:04am

 #2182826


SwampDonkey
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  Message To: BansheeRacer25   In reference to Message Id: 2182819


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Oh, well most might but not myself. never did much homework on the Ackies.



10/23/10  01:09am

 #2182931


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  Message To: SwampDonkey   In reference to Message Id: 2182826


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Probably Noliticus and Ornatus...

I’ve also seen some ArgusXFlavi mixes.



10/23/10  06:05pm

 #2183011


Chad Lane
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  Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2182931


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

I hate hybrids, and never would do it.

Though, there have been White/Black Throat crosses.
Argus X flavi X gouldii
Argus X flavi
Flavi X gouldii
beccarii X prasinus
gilleni X caudolineatus
Red Ackie X Yellow Ackie

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head that have been done.

I don’t believe niloticus can cross with ornatus Rob Frust tried it with several different adult animals hemipenes must be different.

No way a albigularis could cross with ornatus.

Keep in mind some people have problems with even different locales of the same species (salvadorii, salvator, indicus sp etc...)



Cheers,
Chad



10/24/10  01:15am

 #2183017


SwampDonkey
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  Message To: Chad Lane   In reference to Message Id: 2183011


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Yeah theres a good chance it was either a really funky looking ornate (most likely) or a really funky looking black throat. The coloration incorporated some grays I dont see on ornates, and his head was very blocky, similar to that of an older ornate but he didnt appear to be an aged animal. Im still on the hunt for the pic.



10/24/10  02:03am

 #2183164


Varanus_odom
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  Message To: SwampDonkey   In reference to Message Id: 2183017


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Definite no on the Ornatus/Albigularis.



10/24/10  06:11pm

 #2183499


Krusty
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  Message To: Varanus_odom   In reference to Message Id: 2183164


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Quote:

V a b and v a a crosses are quite common. Basically looks like a $hitty red.


Yup, not the most attractive lizard I’ve ever had sold to me.....Anyone want him?


but they are technically subspecies or localities that have been mixed, not different species and not from different Islands/continents. Some newer field guides in AUS actually say "red" vs "yellow" Acanthurus are just color localities and have dropped the brachyurus name from "Yellows". I’m still on the fence on this though personally.

FYI - Varanus gouldii and Varanus gouldii flavirufus are subspecies (localities) of the same species. There is no Varanus "flavirufus" as a separate species by common acceptance.

But now intentionally interbreeding Ornatus with Albigularis or something that is clearly a different animal, that I don’t get.... Our USA animals are "Argus" (Papuan Varanus panoptes horni, not Aussie Vpp or Vpr) and there’s no reason to mix it to a Varanus gouldii or Varanus gouldii flavirufus. Even the original guy who did this said it was a mistake and he didn’t know one from the other and there were precious few around to even attempt breeding. They were all called "Gould’s Monitors" back 25 years ago. But what was done is done and now there are mostly mutt Sand Monitors out there with very few pure V. gouldii(flavirufus) in US collections. I’m hoping these hatch for me!



10/25/10  08:38pm

 #2183739


CubanAce
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  Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2183499


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Well i respect anyones way of thinking about crossing species of monitors,as for my self that is something that i would never do my self, i wont even buy an animal that i know was crossed with a diferent spicies, i have 4 dif kinds of reptiles that i own, i have a savanna monitor,Argus monitor,frilled lizard and a green iguana and i know how hard it is to meet each of those dif habitad needs,so imagine having a crossed monitor OMG i cant even picture my self doing that or raising one,let god and nature do its job! so far they are doing a great job, all my reptiles are 100% pure breed,for example my Argus monitor rips hes cage apart each day after day they love to dig that is what they do LOL, my savanna monitor loves to make borrows as deep as 1 1/2 all over hes habitad and so on!!! pure breeds 8) just by looking at them so active is just awsome sight,all covered in mud and all just awsome il post some pictures soon.



10/26/10  06:09pm

 #2183763


SwampDonkey
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  Message To: CubanAce   In reference to Message Id: 2183739


 Hybrid monitors....which ones can interbreed?

Mark my words, all will be crushed beneath the boots of my hybrid human/ape/Komodo Dragon army!

:)



10/26/10  08:21pm


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