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 #2230273


Shane333
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 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

IM looking for some one to contact me personally you can private message me and I can send my cell number or what ever the case may be I have an unexplained death of my water monitor that im trying to dig up info to brng to local pet store to put them at blame.. you will understand why in conversation .. im not new to this field at all have had many reptiles since i was a kid currently have 2 hypo red tails and 2 ball pythons 1 mangrove monitor and now minus 1 water monitor .. so please if anyone can find the time in a busy schedual to help me it would be more then greatly apreciated THANKS .. SHANE



07/23/11  06:38pm

 #2230274


Norf
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   Message To: Shane333   In reference to Message Id: 2230273


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

How long did you have it for? And what conditions were you keeping in?
07/23/11  06:49pm

 #2230276


Shane333
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   Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2230274


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

it was a baby .. in a 10 gal ank to start had heat lamp and huge water bowl to swim and eat and soak which he stopped doing all 3 had him for about a month or two id say .. he was perfectly fine .. splet alot but very active when awake he would go on killing sprees in his cage taring up anything that moved especialy pinkis and krickets .. now he started acting funny after the last batch of krickets he ate which were dusted .. he stoped drinking and eating and 2 nights ago was walking around very where with his eyes closed and all n then if i picked him up he was fine .. i went to work came home and he was dead with his yes open .. stange if u ask me .. his cage had a host basking side a cool water side and hides.. i dont believe conditions are an issue concidering how sturdy water monitors are and due to the fact that ive only lost 1 snake my entire life which was a super small baby king .. im pretty on point witht that.... now a buddy of mine has a baby nile who is having all the same symptoms but is about 2 inches biger then my guy and he gets his krickets from the same store



07/23/11  06:59pm

 #2230278


Norf
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   Message To: Shane333   In reference to Message Id: 2230276


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

It 10gal tank should not have lasted two months. He’s have outgrown it had it been kept in proper conditions, that’s one thing.

I don’t know how you managed to fit a hot spot, a large water dish, hides and enough substrate in that little thing either.
How is your Mangrove?

Had it died a week or so after you bought the little guy I would understand why you would want to go and blame the pet store but you had the water monitor for 2 months. That’s more than enough time to do some damage yourself.

I don’t know what could have happened to your lizard.
Could have been stress related, or it could have been the crickets from the store or it could have a hundred other things.

If you’re going to keep monitor lizards, keeping your own colony of roaches or crickets is highly recommended.

Sorry about your salvator. Happens



07/23/11  07:19pm

 #2230280


Shane333
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   Message To: Norf   In reference to Message Id: 2230278


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

thats tthe thing man he wasnt growing much at all but hhe was health and active untill he ate the one batch of rickets my mangrov is perfectly fine had him for about a year and a half now the little guy i got exactly one month ago i jsut checked .. hot spot with ceramic bulb and water bowl was a dog bowl he wasnt big he was still a baby



07/23/11  07:28pm

 #2230281


Shane333
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   Message To: Shane333   In reference to Message Id: 2230280


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

he was only about the length of my had and the with of 2 finger ... not to big for a 10 gal tank
07/23/11  07:31pm

 #2230292


Crocdoc
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   Message To: Shane333   In reference to Message Id: 2230281


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Ten gallon tank (I’m guessing with a screen top), ceramic for a hot spot instead of a basking light, had it for a month or two during which it didn’t grow much... my money is on it having nothing to do with the crickets but being a husbandry issue. It doesn’t matter how many years you’ve been keeping snakes or what your track record with them is, this is a monitor and they require entirely different husbandry.

If you’re planning to get another water monitor, perhaps try to learn from your experience with this one by posting photos of your setup and letting us (in the nicest possible way) suggest ways you may improve it for the next water monitor.



07/23/11  10:24pm

 #2230304


Manchild
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   Message To: Crocdoc   In reference to Message Id: 2230292


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

I’m with crocdoc on this.Small tank+big light(high wattage)+screen top=dehydration.


Greg
07/24/11  12:24am

 #2230353


Daryl-
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   Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2230304


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Quote:

if i picked him up he was fine



Don’t forget the handling issue.

Like the others said, I’m struggling to see how you’re going to land this on the pet shop.

-Daryl
07/24/11  04:35pm

 #2230454


Izar
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   Message To: Shane333   In reference to Message Id: 2230273


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

crickets carry parasites,dint know if there any good for hatch lings or not i heard they are 90%water and dint have any nutritional value i dint know how this is though i had an Asian that did the same thing but i learned that they spray them with ammonia in the wild when they cachet them so they get here with respiratory issues
07/25/11  06:31am

 #2230456


Crocdoc
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   Message To: Izar   In reference to Message Id: 2230454


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Yeah, you’re right. They must spray them with ammonia (maybe even arsenic?) and crickets are absolutely lethal, for it couldn’t possibly be anyone’s husbandry at fault, ever.



07/25/11  07:01am

 #2230476


Daryl-
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   Message To: Crocdoc   In reference to Message Id: 2230456


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Quote:

crickets carry parasites,dint know if there any good for hatch lings or not i heard they are 90%water and dint have any nutritional value i dint know how this is though i had an Asian that did the same thing but i learned that they spray them with ammonia in the wild when they cachet them so they get here with respiratory issues



Yeah, im pretty sure 95% of all reptile keepers feed crickets to their lizard. But hey, that may be where they are all going wrong...

-Daryl
07/25/11  11:24am

 #2230478


Manchild
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   Message To: Daryl-   In reference to Message Id: 2230476


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

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crickets carry parasites



Holy crap I’m going to have to stop using crickets




07/25/11  11:37am

 #2230544


Crocdoc
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   Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2230478


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

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Holy crap I’m going to have to stop using crickets


I’m going to have to stop spraying mine with ammonia and arsenic.
07/25/11  08:38pm

 #2230548


Krusty
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   Message To: Crocdoc   In reference to Message Id: 2230544


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Crap, I wish 10 species, some multiple generations, and 1,000 babies ago someone would have warned me that crickets are bad for Monitors. Could have saved me!!!!!



07/25/11  09:17pm

 #2230550


Yaksha
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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2230548


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

it does sound like the waters demise was due to poor husbandry and the water should have been much larger after a couple months

as for the crickets thing though, i think you guys have made your point. however in their defense it is possible to have a bad batch of crickets, that either have some disease or have been exposed to some sort of toxin. One of my local pet shops had an issue with bad crickets that were killing smaller reptiles. They did not know what the source of the contaminant was. but they did narrow it down to being due to the crickets they got from a new supplier. So all i am saying is that it is possible to get a bad batch of feeders from a pet store or anywhere else and i dont believe anyone said not to feed you lizards crickets just that it is possible for them to have issues.



07/25/11  09:23pm

 #2230554


Krusty
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   Message To: Yaksha   In reference to Message Id: 2230550


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Healthy Monitors can eat decomposing, maggot-infested road-killed squirrels and it does not affect them in the least bit. If something infects or poisons a cricket, the cricket will die very quickly. Even Lisol spray kills crickets if you aerosol them by accident. Crickets are intermediate hosts for some nematodes like Pinworms, but that usually will not harm a Monitor lizard. Look at a different excuse for why pet stores are having their animals die. Maybe "pet store husbandry" perhaps? You know, the screen-top 10G tank with a clamp lamp and 10.0UVB special along with a 1/2 log and 1" deep bark bedding kept bone dry and a max. temperature in the cage of 95*F under the "hot spot"?



07/25/11  09:36pm

 #2230569


Manchild
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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 2230554


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Krusty you beat me to the punch.

Krusty is right.When set up right monitors are almost bulletproof.Even if the crickets where carrying parasites 9 time out of ten the monitors immune system would fight them off.Them monitor was killed due to a very poor set up.


Greg
07/26/11  12:39am

 #2230574


PvtYossarian09
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   Message To: Manchild   In reference to Message Id: 2230569


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

@manchild A bulletproof monitor is a comical concept. In that, it should be a comic of course.



07/26/11  01:25am

 #2230582


Yaksha
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   Message To: PvtYossarian09   In reference to Message Id: 2230574


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

One i did not say the crickets killed any monitors only small lizards
two it was not just the lizards in store i had 2 friends whose geckos died after eating from the same batch as well

I was simply pointing out that there can some times be issues with feeder foods from stores



07/26/11  04:25am

 #2230584


Crocdoc
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   Message To: Yaksha   In reference to Message Id: 2230582


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor

Yes, of course it is possible that the crickets killed the monitor, but what we’re talking about here is statistical probability. Thousands of imported monitors fail and die each year because they’re kept under poor conditions. When we see yet another kept in the very same ’petshop proscribed’ conditions we can say that the odds are strongly in favour of the husbandry causing it to fail, as it had in all of those thousands of other cases, rather than some bizarre coincidence of getting a bad patch of crickets which killed it before the husbandry had a chance to. People love to point blame outward rather than examine their own husbandry practices.



07/26/11  08:48am

 #2230591


Manchild
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   Message To: Crocdoc   In reference to Message Id: 2230584


 NEED HELP PLEASE.. water monitor





If given the proper set up and the ability to survive,yes they are almost bulletproof.Now I’m not talking about the way most people have them set and only giving them the ability to thrive.I’m talking deep borrowable substrate,a well sealed cage and multiple choices with in the temperature and humidity that the monitor chooses.

Greg
07/26/11  10:46am


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