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#350060

Battousai
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Lighting

a’ight.before i get the whole shpeel on 45 watt halogens’ from those who don’t read the post except the part that pisses them off or the very beginning lemme say i got ’em and they work.i agree with ya there
but even though curiosity killed the cat,satifaction brought him back.
now onto the real deal.
i wanna convert nanometers and CRI to lumens and vice versa.this is just to understand it better and expand some knowledge.i know that monitors don’t require any "special" lighting that has to be bought for over $20-$50.
dragon’s and igs are another thing.so let’s talk lighting.throw some ideas and theories out there and whatever knowledge you may have acquired in the years of herpetoculture you have gone through.
also any websites can’t hurt.so gimme links.
i keep getting asked,"does my savannah or my dragon need UV lights"
we all know light puts out some kind of UV.wether it’s UVA or UVB is what people need to know.
i also noticed there wasn’t anywhere on this site where lighting can be discussed in specific.ya pretty much just ask around.so maybe a forum just for lighting could help answer alot of questions.maybe with those cool looking graphs n charts n s#!+
anyway.......just a brainfart.

05/22/05 03:39pm

#350106

KAP10CAVY
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Message To: Battousai In reference to Message Id: 350060

I like brainfarts

I will give you my veiws. I don’t own a UV or a UVB bulb. I see no harm in using them. I have a wide variety of critters and have tried Uv lights on some with no change. I mostly tried them with my nocturnal critters like my amazon tree boa.

I also tried them with my geckos. Still no differnce in color, feeding or activitiy.
I have kept BDs and have igs, skinks, tree frogs, tegus, monitors, snakes, turtles,I use regualr lights on everything.
If it aint broke, I aint fixing it.

Scott

05/22/05 04:33pm

#350414

Battousai
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Message To: KAP10CAVY In reference to Message Id: 350106

I like brainfarts

what’s the lumens your lights put out?
CRI and nanometers aren’t on alot of the boxes for lightbulbs.it only has measurements for lumens and watts.watts are irrelevent for our needs unless youre getting specific on power used to save $ on the light bill.

05/22/05 09:51pm

#350513

KAP10CAVY
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Message To: Battousai In reference to Message Id: 350414

I like brainfarts

Well, since I have no idea what a CRI or a nanometer is much less a lumens, I couldn’t tell you. I use what works. I use plain 60 watt household lightbulbs for my small lizards and snakes, I use 50 watt halogen floods for my bigger critters. They serve their purpose. I am not going to try to reinvent the wheel.

Scott

05/22/05 11:20pm

#351382

Battousai
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Message To: KAP10CAVY In reference to Message Id: 350513

I like brainfarts

nah me neither.i have something that works as well,i just wanna know how.
it should say lumens on the side of the box the lightbulb came in.wattage is just a measurement of electricty used up.wattage also does have some application when using for heat.
lumens and nanometers are used to basically measure light intensity and quality.
CRI is the Color Rendering Index.i’m sure someone here has heard of it.100 being best pure as sunlight.however alot of these "specialty bulbs" only reach a CRI level of 91 to 95 atmost.
i’m not at all tryin’ to go against what’s proven.i just wanna figure the workin’s of it.

05/23/05 06:48pm

#351538

Razeraze
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Message To: Battousai In reference to Message Id: 351382

Lights

We tried the 45 halogens from Home Depot and they did not do as well as the 125W heat lights from there that we had been using. I was interested in the halogens since the wattage would be lower and so would our electric bill, to no avail.

I also did the research about the CRI, and found a site that carried them, but the wattage was so high to get that 100 CRI, I did not know how much heat it would put out, so I scrapped that idea. It’s relating to the full spectrum of light that the sunlight has, but lights put out some degree of UV anyway, so it seemed overkill.
Besides it is the combination of the CRI and Kelvins that make the best replication of sunlight. They said somewhere near 5000K or something? Which no bulb I found contained both of these figures.

05/23/05 08:30pm

#352366

Battousai
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Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 351538

Lights

i know pure natural sunlight lux is 100,000 to 50,000 depending on cloud cover and regions.elevation plays a part in determining this as well when trying to measure light outdoors.
and there is no bulb that i know of that can replicate an exact 100 CRI.
95 might be as high as it goes.
i would like to get ahold of some of the name brand "specialty bulbs" and see what their lumens or kelvin are.
i have used the home depot small room lights.250W and 125W for a walk-in closet modified to an iguana room.i got a door with a window to see in and later it served for my niles.that was years ago and i don’t have any of those animals anymore.
the lower wattage bulbs can work better if the basking area is elevated.that’s why you see alot of shelves in monitor enclosures.

05/24/05 06:07pm

#352676

KAP10CAVY
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Message To: Battousai In reference to Message Id: 352366

Lights

Dude, take this question over to http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=57
Ask MarkB. He’s the local sientist there.

Scott

05/24/05 11:15pm

#354564

Battousai
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Message To: KAP10CAVY In reference to Message Id: 352676

Lights

preciate it

05/26/05 08:51pm

#354719

SHvar
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Message To: Battousai In reference to Message Id: 350060

Lets beat the dead horse some more...

This has been argued and discussed a million times, the only people who worry about UV bulbs are either those who gain financially from their sale or those who are brainwashed by those who gain from them. NO REPTILE NEEDS A UV BULB PERIOD!!
They need a proper diet, a proper temp gradient, proper substrates that do somthing other than being convenient to their owners, they need proper clean drinking water, they need proper options to dry and humid areas.
Any lightbulb that does the job without cooking them or overheating the cage works, flood bulbs work best. Dont believ the hype on UV bulbs. The proof is in the animals, theproof is not in science studies on light bandwidth etc, its in live, healthy thriving animals. Beardies do not ever never need UV bulbs. I had a big problem with young beardies laying eggs non stop and I could do nothing sometimes but dig up eggs and incubate them, why no UV bulbs, in fact every reptile of mine lives in my dark basement with no widows allowing sunlight in.

05/26/05 11:34pm

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