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 #626625


Joecoool2003
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 Nile monitor

my boy
01/29/06  07:30pm

 #626666


Crocman
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 626625


 Nile monitor

Dude he is nice looking he is awesome he looks like my little one how big is he.



01/29/06  07:51pm

 #626669


Crocman
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 626625


 Nile monitor

Dude he is nice looking he is awesome he looks like my little one how big is he.



01/29/06  07:54pm

 #626688


Joecoool2003
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   Message To: Crocman   In reference to Message Id: 626669


 Nile monitor

4 feet ruffly
01/29/06  08:04pm

 #626778


Rob Sleeper
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 626688


 Nile monitor

Nice! Niles are my favorite
Rob
01/29/06  08:50pm

 #626794


Rob Sleeper
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   Message To: Rob Sleeper   In reference to Message Id: 626778


 Nile monitor

Whats his temperment like? The first pics looks like he’s defensive.
Thanks again,
Rob
01/29/06  08:56pm

 #626842


Joecoool2003
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   Message To: Rob Sleeper   In reference to Message Id: 626794


 Nile monitor

he is a little grumpy from time to time but that first pic he just got finished eating that is why
01/29/06  09:19pm

 #627179


Gatorhunter
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 626842


 Nile monitor

Nice looking nile. Most never see 4ft. Keep up the good work
01/30/06  01:28am

 #627841


Revyrev
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 626688


 Nile monitor

what do you use for water supply do you have a big water bowl or bath. What do you feed it
01/30/06  05:18pm

 #629188


Joecoool2003
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   Message To: Revyrev   In reference to Message Id: 627841


 Nile monitor

i have a large ruber made container for him, he eats small rats chicks and mice



01/31/06  01:21pm

 #631784


Condition1
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   Message To: Joecoool2003   In reference to Message Id: 629188


 Ornate maybe??

Are you sure this isn’t an Ornate Monitor (Varanus Ornatus), which is no longer considered a subspecies of the Nile. This might explain why the animal doesn’t go apes on you. I’m not too experienced, but I do know that Ornates have pink tongues, and Niles have Blue/black tongues. Which color is it’s tongue?
02/02/06  08:45am

 #631997


JPsShadow
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   Message To: Condition1   In reference to Message Id: 631784


 Ornate maybe??

It is not an ornate he is correct in calling it a nile monitor. It however is a locality specific, hence the coloring and pattern (some are selling them as hypos). Much like the egyptian blues.

My guess is this is what it looked like as a baby.




And to answer your question they have purple/blue tongues



02/02/06  12:26pm

 #632230


Gatorhunter
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 631997


 Ornate maybe??

I figured it was the same locality as some of yours Jody (Judging by pattern and color) It looks lie your large high yellow niles.
02/02/06  02:51pm

 #632245


JPsShadow
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   Message To: Gatorhunter   In reference to Message Id: 632230


 Ornate maybe??

The high yellow female I have is not the same, she is more like the egyptian blue except yellow rather then blue coloring. Same pattern, raised scales, black tip tail, etc. I also have a very yellow tanzanian, but he differs in pattern from all of the above. They are what is commonly brought in lately. There are many more pattern variations of both ornate and niles from dark high black to very light colored individuals. The body structure doesn’t seem to change but the pattern and coloring does.



02/02/06  02:58pm

 #633433


Condition1
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 632245


 Ornate maybe??

So with all of these variations of Niles and Ornates, do you think that it was a mistake naming Varanus Ornatus a seperate species from Niloticus?
02/03/06  04:26am

 #633460


Mrcota
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   Message To: Condition1   In reference to Message Id: 633433


 Ornate maybe??

Not a mistake at all. I would look to a future breaking down of the species into subspecies. It must be remembered that Wolfgang Böhme and Thomas Ziegler only put forward the evidence that it was a distinct species in 1997, which is not at all long ago, in their taxonomic review of the sub-genus Polydaedalus. If you ask me, not enough work had been done in the past (long ago) with Polydaelus, again it was Wolfgang Böhme in 1988 in his paper Zur Genitalmorphologie der Sauria (The Genitalia Morphology of Lizards) who separated V. albigularis from V. exanthematicus.

Cheers,

Michael
02/03/06  06:05am

 #633549


Condition1
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   Message To: Mrcota   In reference to Message Id: 633460


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

So simply put, Ornates are to Niles what White/Black throats are to Savs. Now having put this picture forth, seing as how the two (of either examples) are very different animals: Is the temperament of the Ornate milder as i’ve somewhat read and heard, or are they tipically the same? I’ve never had a clear answer on that question, due to the thought that people assume that I am going to break open my penny jar and buy a potential "monster" of a lizard tomorrow. For the record, that is not the case at all, Varanus Ornatus draws a lot of interest as does the Nile. I would consider keeping a monitor, but not within the next year even. Not to take away from the original question concerning the forementioned animals’ personalities towards people in captivity. Thanks.
02/03/06  09:30am

 #633745


JPsShadow
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   Message To: Condition1   In reference to Message Id: 633549


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

If that helps you, then yes you could think of them in that respect. I find monitors differ not only with species, but also subspecies, as well as individually.

In general ornates seem to be less likely to take that defensive posturing and turn it into an offensive attack. You could have calm tolerant individuals of either but IMO you’d have a higher chance with an ornate then a nile.



02/03/06  01:43pm

 #635535


Mark bayless
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 633745


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

Hi all,
Those are nice pics - and to my eye, a V. ornatus. Is the tongue pink? As Mike Cota said, there differentiation has long been questioned - as Daudin in 1803, Camper in 1805, Muller in 1905, Mertens in 1942, Schmidt in 1955, Bohme/Ziegler in 1997, and so on. In 2002, I looked at their geography, and there is over-lap on a distribution scale but what of ecological scale = there is where the differences are! and diet too. Ornatus feed mostly (= 77%) on shellfish. Niles actually know how to catch fish corraling their aquatic diet to shore and picking them off - as filmed by a few people. There are several articles on ecology of niles/ornates published (Bayless, 1997, 2002; Bayless/Luiselli, 2000; Bayless et.al., 2003; Bennett, 2001 - so the answer is still really unknown, but moving in the direction that they are distinct species, and live differently from one another in many ways.... and in contrast, should be kept somewhat different, V. ornatus requiring more humidity than V. niloticus, and more of a regimen shellfish diet, although both are known to take a few rodents in the wild as well - to reflect their wild diet and requirements is not necessary, but it does enhance their captivity and perhaps you will see behaviors not (ever) seen in the wild ever, i.e. tick grooming in V. albigularis (Williams/ Bayless, 2000) - and that kind of stuff is just plain cool to watch!
cheers,
markb



02/04/06  07:12pm

 #635536


Mark bayless
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 633745


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

Hi all,
Those are nice pics - and to my eye, a V. ornatus. Is the tongue pink? As Mike Cota said, there differentiation has long been questioned - as Daudin in 1803, Camper in 1805, Muller in 1905, Mertens in 1942, Schmidt in 1955, Bohme/Ziegler in 1997, and so on. In 2002, I looked at their geography, and there is over-lap on a distribution scale but what of ecological scale = there is where the differences are! and diet too. Ornatus feed mostly (= 77%) on shellfish. Niles actually know how to catch fish corraling their aquatic diet to shore and picking them off - as filmed by a few people. There are several articles on ecology of niles/ornates published (Bayless, 1997, 2002; Bayless/Luiselli, 2000; Bayless et.al., 2003; Bennett, 2001 - so the answer is still really unknown, but moving in the direction that they are distinct species, and live differently from one another in many ways.... and in contrast, should be kept somewhat different, V. ornatus requiring more humidity than V. niloticus, and more of a regimen shellfish diet, although both are known to take a few rodents in the wild as well - to reflect their wild diet and requirements is not necessary, but it does enhance their captivity and perhaps you will see behaviors not (ever) seen in the wild ever, i.e. tick grooming in V. albigularis (Williams/ Bayless, 2000) - and that kind of stuff is just plain cool to watch!
cheers,
markb



02/04/06  07:12pm

 #635567


Jade2u
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 633745


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

Jody,
I agree with you partially. I definitely agree with the fact that ever monitor is an individual and react to things in their own personality. I agree with the fact that ornates are less likely to go from defensive posturing to an offensive attack too. However, working with ornates vs niles I found that although niles use offensive attacks more often, they are easier to acclimate to human handling than ornates. Ornates tend to be more shy and even though on a defensive end they do not seem to acclimate to human handling as well. They stay more nervous. Not all of them mind you, I have come across attitude variations going both ways, extremely aggressive and very passive. But I would have to say that more of the ornates I have had contact with take a lot more attention to get them to a point where they are comfortable with human interaction. I’m not saying get a nile and not an ornate, cause believe me I know how tough they can both be especially for someone with little or no experience, just my two cents based on personal experience.
02/04/06  07:38pm

 #635773


JPsShadow
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   Message To: Mark bayless   In reference to Message Id: 635535


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

Hell mark,

We have talked about this type of nile before, I even sent you pictures. You can see pictures above that the tongue is not pink.

I have many pictures of this locality type from black with yellow to very little black showing up in the pattern. All of them have the same over all shape pattern etc. though. Also have blue/purple tongues.



02/04/06  09:42pm

 #636721


Mark bayless
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   Message To: JPsShadow   In reference to Message Id: 635773


 Exanthematicus-Albigularis; Niloticus-Ornatus

Hi Jody,
Yes we have spoken of these types before - and as a matter of fact I just got an email from a friend of mine in W. Africa of an enormous female of ’these types’ today! My friend believes this is a new type - as the locals give it an entirely different name from the V. niloticus, V. ornatus, V. exanthematicus forms there, so hold onto those for now....it could be something, maybe nothing but we will know more shortly. There has been abit of discussion about other ’races’ of V. niloticus in West Africa for quite some time... as Dr. Luca Luiselli and I addressed in 2000 in our paper on West African Varanus species there.

I mention tongue color, although it is NOT a exclusive determinate, it may be a contributing factor...tongue colors can change color in some species.

Cheers Jody,
markb



02/05/06  02:06pm


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