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 #1735670


Crisco
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  Need to know about my blood.

The other night was feeding night, my male pastel didn’t take a mouse I tried to give his so I gave it to the blood seeing as the rat was smaller then what she normally takes, and the mouse was nothing for here. Well I looked today to see if she had taken the rat, I had already seen she took the mouse, but what I found was the rat and a rejudged mouse. Should I be worried or not? The rat was F/T so no possibility of it biting her unless it came back from the dead, lol. And I know she will take rats like this she has before. But I don’t know why she would bring the mouse back up. She dose look a bit fat to me, like she is going to poop soon or something.



05/14/08  08:57pm

 #1735717


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735670


  Need to know about my blood.

Do you feed her inside the enclosure?

Regurges are symptoms of a bigger problem. One, if you move her for feeding, or your husbandry is off.

What are the exact temps in her enclosure? What is the hot spot always at and what is the ambient? How do you provide that heat?



05/14/08  09:30pm

 #1735724


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1735717


  Need to know about my blood.

Yes I feed her in her enclosure, her temps are good 85 hot side on a UTH, with thermostat, cool side about 75, and humidity is at 50-60%. Could it have been she was just stressed with the F/T rat in with her over night? She has seemed healthy to me so fare, just thins hole thing with the mouse.



05/14/08  09:35pm

 #1735773


Littleindiangirl
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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735724


  Need to know about my blood.

I see no reason why she would be stressed because a prey item was left in all night.

Advice, raise her ambient to 79-80. Raise her hot spot to 85-88. Provide her with fresh water daily. Bloods are picky about water for some reason... weird snake.

Dont feed her for 3 weeks. Then offer her a pup or weanling rat. FT. Make sure it is completely thawed through. If she regurges again, take her to a good herp vet. Regurges are serious business. :(

Oh, before I forget, how much does she weigh? Got a recent photo of her?



05/14/08  10:01pm

 #1735788


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1735773


  Need to know about my blood.

Also, pay close attention for signs of an RI. Mucous or dried spit around her mouth, on the sides of the cage. It’s easier to see on the glass. Listen for sounds of mucous in the air ways, how she holds her head... popping, labored breathing, arching her back etc.... Just want to be on the safe side and catch anything sooner rather than later. Knock on wood!



05/14/08  10:10pm

 #1735827


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1735788


  Need to know about my blood.

No i didn’t see any signs of RI. I have a recent pic of her by a ruler. Here it is.


She take big rats all the time. I don’t know why she would do this now, with a little mouse. I’ll also get the temps up.



05/14/08  10:36pm

 #1735867


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735827


  Need to know about my blood.

I think I now y my blood regurged the mouse, shes laying eggs right NOW.



05/14/08  11:17pm

 #1735869


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735867


  Need to know about my blood.

I need to know humidity for blood eggs.



05/14/08  11:22pm

 #1735931


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735869


  Need to know about my blood.

I have temps in the incubator at 89-90 and humidity at about 80%.



05/15/08  01:42am

 #1736019


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1735931


  Need to know about my blood.

WOW.... that would explain it! Do you have them on vermiculite or pearlite?



05/15/08  07:42am

 #1736025


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736019


  Need to know about my blood.

Make sure you wash down the cage and momma, get rid of the egg smell. I don’t know if your using vermiculite, but your humidity is good. If they start to cave, get the vermiculite wetter, but still not soaking.

What do you have the eggs in?



05/15/08  07:47am

 #1736026


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736025


  Need to know about my blood.

Just a little bit of reading for you. Link

Quote:


Build an Incubator
Incubators have been around since the beginning of time. Really, they are called maternal incubators! Pythons maternally incubate their eggs and in some cases actually elevate their body temperature above the surrounding temperatures of their environment. In captivity it is best to remove the eggs from the mother and artificially incubate them. When you do this, you have to factor several things at once for success: 1) Temperature, 2) Humidity, 3) Airflow, and 4) Protection.

Temperature is straight forward with a good proportional thermostat. There are many on the market, but my favorites are the Helix DBS-1000 and the Spyder Robotics line of thermostats. For most python species, the appropriate incubation temperature ranges from 89-92F though higher or lower temperatures still CAN be successful, mortality increases dramatically.

Humidity is another key factor and too little can also increase mortality with pythons. In general, you want 100% humidity with fresh air exchange to avoid mold growth and stale air. An open container of water in the incubator combined with the appropriately hydrated incubation medium is the key to success. Perlite and vermiculite are the best in my opinion though other media including no media have also been used with some success. I prefer to use course vermiculite purchased from shipping or botanical supply houses and mixed with just enough water (usually 1 for 1 by weight) to make the vermiculite clump together when squeezed.

Airflow is critical in the incubation process since oxygen is needed for the eggs as the embryos develop. Generally opening the incubator and exposing the eggs to fresh air at least once a week during the incubation process is generally sufficient depending on the volume of air in your container/incubator. You may have to do this more frequently especially later in the inbubation process when more heat is created by the eggs and they demand more oxygen.

Protection is critical since the eggs are relatively fragile though a few keepers have dropped the eggs when removing them from the mother with no harm to the eggs. Even I have to admit to doing this once and even though I was mortified with my slip, the egg hatched successfully and the animal developed normally. Obviously Humpty Dumpty wasn’t from a python! Some keepers try to pip the eggs or slit the egg shell to peek at the offspring. I don’t recommend this unless you have been shown how. However, it is very exciting to see a peek at the morph or species you are hatching. Click here to see what it looks like under "the hood" of the egg when a egg is successfully pipped.



05/15/08  07:50am

 #1736093


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736025


  Need to know about my blood.

Seeing as I didn’t know she was going to lay eggs I am totally unprepared, they are on damp not wet paper towels for now in a hovabator. I am going out to day to get some fluorescent light diffuser grating and some prelite, to put on the UTH in a cooler.



05/15/08  09:20am

 #1736126


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736093


  Need to know about my blood.

Did you breed her or buy her not knowing she was gravid?

Are you doing the perlite under the grating in a tub? That should work.



05/15/08  10:21am

 #1736194


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736126


  Need to know about my blood.

I had let a Friend take her to pair his Male with here, he said they never locked so never expected any thing, Duh should have known when she got soo fat.

Yet I’m putting the perlite under the grating and the eggs on top? and going to use a UTH in a cooler, Is the drain hole going to be enough ventilation or should a add one more hole?

But the eggs look good for now, in the huvabator. I’m hoping they all make it, well all the ones that don’t look bad there are 4 bad looking eggs (slugs), one of witch is stuck to a good egg is this going to be ok?



05/15/08  11:59am

 #1736229


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736194


  Need to know about my blood.

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Yet I’m putting the perlite under the grating and the eggs on top? and going to use a UTH in a cooler, Is the drain hole going to be enough ventilation or should a add one more hole?



This is what I would do (toss the slugs if they aren’t stuck to any good eggs). Get a small sterilite tub, depending on how many eggs you have, I’ll just say a 12 qt for now. Although, if your cooler is small enough, you don’t really need the tub. But if it’s large, I would get it.

Well, I’ll make a list:

12 qt sterilite tub
Saran Wrap Press and Seal
Perlite
Egg crating
Thermometer
Cooler
UTH
Thermostat

Mix the perlite, so when you squeeze a handful in your fist, no water drips out, but is wet enough to stick together.
Put 2 inches of that in the tub.
Put your egg crate over the perlite,
Put eggs on egg crate.

Use the press and seal, and cover the tub. Seal it up. You’ll most likely be checking on them once a week or wiping condensation off for enough fresh air to get in there and prevent mold growth.

Attach your UTH to the top lid of your cooler, Put the tub into the cooler.

Put the thermostat AND thermometer probe in the eggs tub. Set the thermostat for 88 degrees. Monitor that with the thermometer probe as well. (thermostats are usually really reliable in this area)

Close everything up and wait!

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well all the ones that don’t look bad there are 4 bad looking eggs (slugs), one of witch is stuck to a good egg is this going to be ok?



Leave the one slug that’s attached to the good egg. As it dies and molds, you’ll be better able to decide if it can easily come off or not. Usually though, its not a good idea because you can tear the egg.

Once you have everything set, monitor it, don’t let the condensation drip on the eggs, don’t let them cave in. If they do, go ahead and squirt some water into the outer edge of the vermiculite. Sounds like that should do it for now. :)



05/15/08  12:49pm

 #1736231


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736229


  Need to know about my blood.

Woops, fat fingered the depth of the perlite. It should be like 3 inches, depending on what your going to put it in. The tub or cooler directly. The cooler can obviously take more, which will hold more moisture.



05/15/08  12:52pm

 #1736234


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736229


  Need to know about my blood.

Thank you so much, Ya I don’t know it a tub would fit into the cooler. Where is a good place the get good thermostats?



05/15/08  12:55pm

 #1736249


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736234


  Need to know about my blood.

Online most definitely. Helix works very well in incubators, that’s what I have for mine. You can find good used ones for around $80-100. Or you can go with a Ranco, those cost less, but work differently.

Here’s a link for the helix
Link



05/15/08  01:16pm

 #1736253


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736249


  Need to know about my blood.

Wow I can’t get that on such short notice. I have something for my blood’s UTH, all it has is a Dial and settings for high to low, and seems to work good for that, keeps the temps good, Would it be ok to use one of thous? Allso how would the saran wrap work if I don’t use a tub?



05/15/08  01:23pm

 #1736259


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736253


  Need to know about my blood.

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Wow I can’t get that on such short notice. I have something for my blood’s UTH, all it has is a Dial and settings for high to low, and seems to work good for that, keeps the temps good, Would it be ok to use one of thous? Allso how would the saran wrap work if I don’t use a tub?



I don’t trust those dial ones a bit. I would order a Ranco or Helix as soon as possible. I think Ranco’s are like $80 or something. It’s worth it to buy if you can.

Like I said, check out the kingsnake classifieds, or other forum’s classifieds. There always seem to be a few for sale, used but still working. Big apple herp, LLLreptile... Reptile basics. Check those out for prices.

For now, you really have no choice but to use the thermostat you have. You may find that it keeps the temps perfect. In which case, your blessed.

If you don’t use a tub, I think the press and seal around the edges of the cooler will work fine. That stuff is awesome, it creates a seal when pressed to itself, so you can use a couple of long strips side by side to make it large enough for your cooler.



05/15/08  01:35pm

 #1736265


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736259


  Need to know about my blood.

Link -Ranco
Link -Johnson



05/15/08  01:45pm

 #1736266


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736259


  Need to know about my blood.

Ok, thanks I’ll try the one I have, I know we just can’t afford one right now. And I’ll try that with the wrap on the cooler. I’ll be able to put up pics of the whole new set up with eggs hopefully tomorrow. So when I put the substrate in the cooler and place the grate on top of that I put the eggs on the grate with no substrate touching them at all?



05/15/08  01:45pm

 #1736273


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736266


  Need to know about my blood.

If you would like to do that method. Or you can put the eggs directly on the perlite. Sort of like a cradle of perlite.



05/15/08  02:00pm

 #1736300


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736273


  Need to know about my blood.

I have see more people put the eggs right on the perlite so that probably what I’ll do then, just waiting for dad to get home so I can get the things I need. Thank you so much by the way.



05/15/08  02:45pm

 #1736599


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736300


  Need to know about my blood.

Now I was talking to dad and we can’t get every thing for the cooler, I have them in the hovabator in separate containers, with the press and seal, humidity is at 100% temps are at 90-91, that what its supposed to be, so aren’t they just fine in there? And with the press and seal do I open the containers so that they get air flow and how often? Here is the hovabater I’m using.


NOT MINE JUST A PIC I’M USING SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS.



05/15/08  07:10pm

 #1736612


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736599


  Need to know about my blood.

Well, that might actually work. I would shoot for temps between 88-91. If you know your hovabator can maintain correct temps, might as well use that. :)

As to the air flow, I would open once a week to check for mold, dimpling, let fresh air in.



05/15/08  07:24pm

 #1736636


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  Message To: Littleindiangirl   In reference to Message Id: 1736612


  Need to know about my blood.

Ya the temps are right around there is will go up and down 1 degree and that’s it, What dose it mean if they show a little dumpling? I’ll turn it down a little.



05/15/08  07:43pm

 #1736653


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736636


  Need to know about my blood.

Also the substright I got for the eggs said vermiculite pearlite, I looks like it is working grea though.



05/15/08  07:51pm

 #1736732


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  Message To: Crisco   In reference to Message Id: 1736653


  Need to know about my blood.

i got my therm. from big apple,its like 35 bucks,,actually seems to work pretty damn good,,think i will use that same one for my rack when i finish buiulding it



05/15/08  08:54pm
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