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 #1670266


The Original Sin
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 Burm and a Water Dragon???

I went to the zoo today and i saw this and thought it was unusual they had water dragons in with the burm




i dont think your supose to do that
03/21/08  07:02pm

 #1670332


Golden coqui ace
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1670266


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

your not, IDK, people are idiots sometimes
03/21/08  07:39pm

 #1670521


Lilcutie903
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   Message To: Golden coqui ace   In reference to Message Id: 1670332


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

yeah were do these people get their education from a cracker jack box? thats really odd.
03/21/08  09:32pm

 #1670641


Golden coqui ace
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   Message To: Lilcutie903   In reference to Message Id: 1670521


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

nice choice of words, they probably did....
03/21/08  10:21pm

 #1670827


The Original Sin
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   Message To: Golden coqui ace   In reference to Message Id: 1670641


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

IDK its a zoo they try to put other species of animals together nowdays to try and make a more natural habitat...they had two babys in there and the one in the pic was sleeping on the burm for a little while,i dont get y the burm hasnt though of them as a snack yet
03/22/08  12:31am

 #1670985


Golden coqui ace
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1670827


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

If they were gonna do that they could have used something that was a little closer the burms natural habbitat, lol
03/22/08  07:06am

 #1671290


Lilcutie903
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   Message To: Golden coqui ace   In reference to Message Id: 1670985


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

not to mention if the burm decides to lay on top of the dragon and kill it too.



03/22/08  01:34pm

 #1671435


R]azz
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1670827


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

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i dont get y the burm hasnt though of them as a snack yet



Well, maybe the lizards were in there for that purpose?

Just a guess.
03/22/08  03:31pm

 #1671610


The Original Sin
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   Message To: R]azz   In reference to Message Id: 1671435


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

but they had a description of the dragons right by the burms description..if they were using them as feeders i dont think they would write the description about them to
03/22/08  06:11pm

 #1671639


Dwg1211
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1671610


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

burms eat warm-blooded prey.
03/22/08  06:39pm

 #1671831


CONSTRIKTR
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   Message To: Dwg1211   In reference to Message Id: 1671639


 Burm and a Water Dragon???


Quote:

burms eat warm-blooded prey.


not always!
03/22/08  09:27pm

 #1672240


Dwg1211
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   Message To: CONSTRIKTR   In reference to Message Id: 1671831


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

uh-huh... how’d THAT work out? excuse me... let me be more ABSOLUTELY RIGHT for you.. Burms HUNT warm-blooded prey.. hence the heat pits and the TENDENCY to hunt and night.. they have relatively poor eyesight and depend on heat and scent to detect prey.. yes, they are also opportunistic and will take other reptiles, amphibians, or even carrion.. that picture of the gator bursting out of the python doesn’t necessarily mean the snake was hunting the gator.. it could have been the other way around and the python won but couldn’t ingest it’s ’kill’ because it was still alive.. who knows.. I’ve read a lot of opinions about that photo.. my point was that I don’t think lizards are used as feeders for large burms in captive environments..



03/23/08  07:35am

 #1672582


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   Message To: Dwg1211   In reference to Message Id: 1672240


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

In the wild they just dont hunt rats rabbits they eat what they can find they can eat lizards trust me.
03/23/08  01:09pm

 #1673227


The Original Sin
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   Message To: Carpondro17   In reference to Message Id: 1672582


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

if its warm out a snake dosent care if its warm or cold blooded they sense the heat coming off them and then they may eat it if they can,cold blooded does not mean that they do not have the same amount of heat coming off them as a warm blooded mammal or bird.it means they need a warm enviroment to stay at the temperature they need.that is mainly why there are no snakes in the artic...some lizrd will only eat lizards.
03/23/08  08:38pm

 #1673760


Golden coqui ace
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1673227


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

Burms are natural feeders in the wild, they will eat almost anything if they are hungry, yes. But a zoo has plenty of rats, in this case rabbits for a snake of this size, a lizard that small is not worth that burms time in feeding, being a zoo, that snake is fed on schedule and that is why the lizard isn’t considered food. There is a possibility it escaped the enclosure and made it’s way into the burms. Not highly, but likely. Stop arguing over natural food, that was not the point, the point was that the lizard is in with the snake. Any reponsible, licensed zoo would not throw a lizard in a well fed burms enclosure for food! Just not very likely. Espcially since from hatchling it has been fed tghings like mice, rats, chicks, and chickens.....and not an animal that is normally kept as display in the zoo, it may have been an accident, i would have made the keeper aware of the situation, they may have been able to help you understand why the lizard was in there.
03/24/08  10:57am

 #1682129


Ralpha_alpha
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   Message To: Golden coqui ace   In reference to Message Id: 1673760


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

It looks freaky but the dragon doesn’t seem to mind. Mine was in with an iguana once and looked at it like yikes and took off.
03/30/08  02:35pm

 #1682882


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   Message To: Ralpha_alpha   In reference to Message Id: 1682129


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

why would you house your burm in with an iguana?
03/30/08  09:47pm

 #1683031


DragonMyr
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1670266


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

What zoo did that? I’d like to know where this was done.

The AZA has some of the stupidest ideas about how to care for its animals and deliver them proper care. They literally abuse their big cats by locking them in cages with little to no interaction with other intelligent creatures. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they didn’t realize that this was a water dragon and not an iguana. Either way, this is an inappropriate setup.
03/30/08  10:50pm

 #1683729


Lilcutie903
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   Message To: DragonMyr   In reference to Message Id: 1683031


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

i agree no matter what proper care they get when it comes to vets on site its still not appropriate to put them together. these people are supposed to have degrees in zoology they should definitely know better whats the name of the zoo?
03/31/08  04:05pm

 #1684093


The Original Sin
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   Message To: Lilcutie903   In reference to Message Id: 1683729


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

it is the birmingham zoo in alabama
03/31/08  06:47pm

 #1684462


DragonMyr
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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1684093


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

Have you tried contacting the zoo to ask for an explanation? A basking adult water dragon could make an excellent meal for a python, or so I’d expect. These pictures don’t tell the whole story, so if the cage is huge it’s likely the water dragon would be uncatchable if there is a sufficient water source and climbing materials. I’d still like an explanation though. The AZA is always on the case of exotics owners, so I sure am jumping at the chance to get on their case about proper reptile housing.
03/31/08  10:01pm

 #1684573


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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1670266


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

some snakes just get along with lizards, i no cuz i had this little house gecko for a year and it shared the same cage with my ball python and they chilled with eachoter for a year, smarty pants i would put a pic of it ridin my snake but the dam thig aint lettin me put pics on here
03/31/08  10:46pm

 #1684761


Chezequerz
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   Message To: Mcspankyoass   In reference to Message Id: 1684573


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

i keep both lizards and snakes so ill put it in a format u can understand

2 snakes same species=stress
2 snakes different species=stress+parasites
1 snake 1 lizard=stress+parasites potentially dead lizard

im not sure if she posts here but SuzanC will not get tired of telling you how ball pythons are sensitive animals to this kinda thing and she’s right.

im curious what happened after that year
04/01/08  04:10am

 #1686129


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   Message To: Chezequerz   In reference to Message Id: 1684761


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

well the gecko wouldent eat any more so i died
04/02/08  07:15am

 #1686213


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   Message To: Mcspankyoass   In reference to Message Id: 1686129


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

not eating is a sign of stress
04/02/08  09:41am

 #1688715


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   Message To: Chezequerz   In reference to Message Id: 1686213


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

I’ve seen something similar. it wasn’t recently, hopefully they’ve long since stopped, but back in the late 70s or early 80s the Detroit Zoo had yellow anacondas and green iguanas in the same room-sized enclosure. At the time I figured the lizards would get eaten. Now I suspect the snakes were probably the ones to get the most injuries, from all those heavy clawed feet. The size difference between a Burmese and a water dragon is a lot safer from the snake’s standpoint, but still, claws are sharp. Like Mom said, it’s all fun and games until somebody loses an eye. Most of us wouldn’t even put a sharp piece of wood in our snake’s cage, why would we put a whole bunch of sharp things that can move around and climb onto the snake while it’s asleep?
04/04/08  01:56am

 #1690255


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   Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1688715


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

Quote:

if its warm out a snake dosent care if its warm or cold blooded they sense the heat coming off them and then they may eat it if they can,cold blooded does not mean that they do not have the same amount of heat coming off them as a warm blooded mammal or bird.it means they need a warm enviroment to stay at the temperature they need.that is mainly why there are no snakes in the artic...some lizrd will only eat lizards.




Very well put!!
04/05/08  01:36pm

 #1691183


The Original Sin
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   Message To: Darkstarsinner   In reference to Message Id: 1690255


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

thank u very much
04/06/08  12:41am

 #1691370


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   Message To: The Original Sin   In reference to Message Id: 1691183


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

I saw ’survivorman’ drink ’water’ squeezed out of a chunk of elephant crap.... doesn’t mean that’s his friggin’ diet... how long are you going to beat this dead horse?
04/06/08  07:22am

 #1692338


Lilcutie903
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   Message To: Dwg1211   In reference to Message Id: 1691370


 Burm and a Water Dragon???

im from michigan and just went to the detroit zoo last year, they dont house different species together anymore although, i do think their croc enclosure is to small. but havent seen any different species together.
04/06/08  09:59pm
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