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#1678872
Melman
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 WANTED: Need all info on breeding
I bought 2 Burms from a pet store that I shop at frequently for my rats and other reptiles. They were on 2 separate occasions, but upon purchasing the 2nd one they told me that he was with the other one originally, but was switched to see if that is where his attitude was coming from. I also learned that he was aggressive (supposively), and had gone to a home for 3 days where he was thrown across the room. FYI: He may have a minor breathing issue, but seems to be getting better. Any way, they have been housing together since he arrived in a 75 gallon tank. They both are approximately 8 months or so. I have no clue on the breeding of them. Any and all information would be great!!!! THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
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03/28/08 05:29am
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#1678976
Futurebullybreeder
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1678872
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
I bred burms, but they were five years old, the best way to do it is to leave them is seperate enclosures, thats right, you need to find one of the a new tank. If they are together all of their life they are less likely to breed, they will more egar to breed if meeting for the first time. You will need to do a little research yourself and find the breeding season, temps, exc. It’s been about ten years since I’ve bred a burm, planning on starting red tails soon.
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03/28/08 09:15am
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#1679263
Alf
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Message To: Futurebullybreeder In reference to Message Id: 1678976
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
8 mos. is way early, you’ll want to wait the female is between 18-24 mos. of age and at least 30lbs. They should be in seperate enclosures as well, and only introduced during breeding season. There is good breeding info all around the net. but keep in mind that burmese pythons lay large clutches, and you will need a sufficient space for a good size incubator, thermostat, some type of hatchling rack equipped with heat and thermostat as well and a supply of feeders for them to get started. Hope this helps, best of luck with your breeding.
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03/28/08 01:29pm
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#1680277
Melman
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Message To: Alf In reference to Message Id: 1679263
 WANTED: Need all info on breeding
All your responses have been helpful. My thing is that I really DONT want them 2 breed, was just looking for advise incase it happened. I like the idea that they should be separated in order to breed, but they may still anyway. thanks for your help to all!! If she does get prego, what should I do? Take the male out? Take the eggs out? How can I tell if she is?
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03/29/08 08:24am
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#1680339
Alf
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1680277
 WANTED: Need all info on breeding
Tried to give you a piece of decent advice, but it seems to have gone in through one and out the other. I really don’t think an 8 month old burm will breed for you in the first place, if she did it’s a good chance she would get egg bound. That would be very negligent and irresponsible on your part, and by the way it sounds you have no plans on seperating the at this point which leads me to think that either you don’t have the space or the funds to do so? In either case, how would you go forward in preparing for a clutch of eggs? These are things that you should have thought about before jumping in and getting a pair of burmese pythons, IMO people like you are the reason that there is a federal ban proposal going on right now for all pythons and boas. If your not ready to care properly, and have a total disregard for the health and husbandry of your animals why don’t you reduce your collection?
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03/29/08 10:06am
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#1681751
Melman
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Message To: Alf In reference to Message Id: 1680339
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
Alf your attitude is unappreciated!!! Didn’t your mother ever teach you that if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say it at all!!!!! I have plenty of money to separate them, but don’t see the need. If they were to breed I could deal with getting an incubator and other necessary supplies. You have no right to judge me, when you have no clue about me or my household. I was looking for positive advice not someone who is going to blame me on federal bans. grow up!
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03/30/08 05:16am
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#1681816
Bebos-burms
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1681751
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
The bottom line is that if you do not want themt o breed... as you stated.... then house them seperatly. I think what got you the response from Alf is the way you posted as if ’oh well’ if they breed they breed. When the responsible thing to do IF YOU DONT WANT THEM TO BREED is seperate them. You may not realize how your post sounds to others.
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03/30/08 09:45am
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#1681829
Grunt
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1681751
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
OK. I normally dont get into pissing matches but , If you read closely to what alf was saying you should take the burms apart because if they do breed at such a young age your female will probably end up DEAD. most burms cant breed that early but death normally comes to those that do from being egg bound. anyone here will tell you he has great experience and knowledge about burm health and husbandry . SO get off your high horse and take his advice. Alf nor myself are novice at this hobby and anyone here will say the same that has experience. He was not trying to be a jerk he was just telling you the importance of the situation you asked about.
Shawn (AKA GRUNT)
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03/30/08 09:54am
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#1681877
Chezequerz
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1681751
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
his attitude is justified.
the need? the need is that 2 snakes housed together have been known to eat each other
the need is that when 2 snakes are kept together and lay with each other there actually stressed
the need is that stress will kill a snake faster than starvation
they cant breed without ure female dying. So the only supple you would need is a snooker cue case to use as a coffin
he gave possitive advice but it didnt get acknowledged. if you have ure snakes housed together he doesnt need to know about ure household u have already endangered both of your snake. you could have a perfect zoo style enclousure taking an entire room of your house but it doesnt make a blind bit of difference if your snakes are stressed. By the fact you said u house them together shows you havent looked into this species nearly enough so he can judge you. If by possitive advice you mean u want people to advocate what your doing you will not find many of those here and those that do dont deserve there snakes.
i get my first burmese this may, and you already have 2 that ure practically throwing away it makes me sick to be frank with you. All my snakes are housed individually and you should do so too.
saying you dont see the point of splitting them up is like saying u dont see the need for a heater.
also there are loads of incorrect people posting here from what i can see bebo, alf and grunt are some of the keepers who can steer you in the right direction with your new pets, what they say may be inconvenient but you gotta remember these guys have years of experience and know more than any on this forum
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03/30/08 11:14am
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#1681909
Grunt
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Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1681877
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
Quote: also there are loads of incorrect people posting here from what i can see bebo, alf and grunt are some of the keepers who can steer you in the right direction with your new pets, what they say may be inconvenient but you gotta remember these guys have years of experience and know more than any on this forum
on behalf of alf , bebo and myself I thank you, it is nice to get this kind of recognition by others here . Remember everyone starts somewhere and all we can do is give advice and try and help.
Shawn
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03/30/08 11:54am
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#1682606
Alf
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Message To: Grunt In reference to Message Id: 1681909
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
Sorry if my attitude is unappreciated, but to be honest that’s your problem not mine. As for my mom, she taught me to speak the truth and speak my mind. So this is what you clearly stated in your posts, you don’t want them to breed but if they do than you are willing to pull the male??? That makes no sense whatsoever, and it clearly seems that you put this post here for attention and you just wanted a reaction and for someone to agree with what you were doing is right. Glad too see that some of the other "old timers" lol had voiced their opinion on the subject.
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03/30/08 07:45pm
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#1683134
Chezequerz
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Message To: Grunt In reference to Message Id: 1681909
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
its cool, the posts you wrote have steered me in the right direction ive now got a decent set up and a burmese coming in may
a novice or future keeper should show respect to and follow the advice of a veteran who isnt stand offish particularly on a board like this were the wrong moves directly affect the temper and well being of a snake that may get to 15 feet with 300 teeth and a record for keeper constriction, besides most veteran posters here are breeders and nobody knows more about providing the best for a snake than breeders.
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03/31/08 12:36am
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#1683168
Lizardking/hfx/n.s
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Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1683134
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
ive read this all in all and myself am a novice with burms i keep other large constrictors and varying lizards and i find this post unbearable where do you get off neglecting advice from expeirenced keepers and stressing 2 wonderfull animals you should take their advice and stop trying to undermine their expeirence in my personal opinion if i was you id take my snakes back wherever you got them and let someone who will properly care for them give them a suitable home and i could care less if i get a nasty response from you as youve proven your worth
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03/31/08 01:40am
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#1683222
Chezequerz
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Message To: Lizardking/hfx/n.s In reference to Message Id: 1683168
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
dude ide buy u a drink (but uhh i cant buy any for a year) i myself keep a red tail boa and a ball python and a few water dragons and a frilled dragon also theres a few species ive kept before. but me and u arent anything compared to grunt alf and bebo they are the go to guys, its a shame this guy has these snakes together they should be seperated indeffinately or one if not both should be sold for the reptiles own safety. i question whether he knows what size his snakes will reach thats gonna have to be a pretty huge tank to keep them in the same tank
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03/31/08 03:48am
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#1683384
Melman
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Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1683222
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
WOW I didn’t mean to start this big deal. I’m sorry that I am new to this and was just simply looking for some information. I didn’t appreciate being told I was the cause of a ban etc. You all are experienced and that’s cool, but the way you all put it should be looked at. Sorry for being new and looking for some good advise. I went out to the vet and had them checked. They are both males and are separated in their own 75 gallon tanks (which came before the vet check). They are both happy and settled. Thanks for the advice, but I wasn’t looking for some much negativity. Constructive criticism is one thing, being out right rude is another.
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03/31/08 11:05am
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#1683440
Alf
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1683384
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
Just take a look at the post from the beginning, didn’t your mother ever teach you act like and idiot get treated like an idiot.
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03/31/08 12:25pm
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#1683575
Flicker3123
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Message To: Alf In reference to Message Id: 1683440
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
haha cute last statement hahaha, I have been following this post you ASKED for advise it was GIVEN, and you said oh well, soo look at it from the point of view that others are reading. I am not americian but I do feel that snakes in general get a bad rap from people who miss inform, dont take advice and those are the people that I believe ALF way blaming in a whole for the proposed ban! I dont blame him for stating anything he said if anything I totally agree with him. I 100% dont believe he was rude what he said was pretty much COMMON SENSE. I am glad you took them to the vet and you have them seperated just keep in mind that when you ask for advise you may not always like the answer. But if you listen to the top people on this forum they are thinking of the snake(s) well being not yours!! andyou snake(s) will lead a long healthy life with the info provides and you as a keeper following.
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03/31/08 02:36pm
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#1683670
Alf
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Message To: Flicker3123 In reference to Message Id: 1683575
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
My last post was just playin’ around, please don’t take it to heart Melman. I feel that I attempted to give you advice that I would want that’s all. I’ve only been in the hobby a few years and find myself learning new stuff all the time, and there are a few people that I truly look up to in the hobby and when someone gives me good advice I hold onto it. I have a notebook that I keep records in and when I find resourceful stuff on the internet, I stick it into my favorites, I also keep my breeding records on a microsoft excel spreadsheet as well as my calendar. Hopefully this thread didn’t discourage or deter you from posting again, sometimes I can come off a bit rash but with the way these animals have developed such a bad rep. because of irresponsible keepers (not saying you), irresponsible in general twists me a bit. Especially as of late knowing that the hobby that a lot of us got into, enjoy very much everyday, could be soon restricting us from what we enjoy most.
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03/31/08 03:28pm
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#1683680
Chezequerz
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Message To: Melman In reference to Message Id: 1683384
WANTED: Need all info on breeding
he did say it politely first but u didnt listen. you shouldnt be sorry for being new but you really should have listened to the post noone reccomends anything on repticzone without a reason and evidence. good that u seperate them heres a question though how big do u think they will grow
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03/31/08 03:35pm
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