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 #2024989


MUCKY
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 Fires are platinum??

ive been speaking to bob clark and i was thinking about gettin some fires as they het for leucistic but since speaking to him i havent seen any other websites with fires on them, but platinums look very similar to the snake he said was a fire, do you think he has named a platinum a fire as people seem to have different names for morphs.
i know that plattys are het for ivorys but can they also produce leucistics?
cheers
06/18/09  10:53pm

 #2025145


JimmyDavid
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   Message To: MUCKY   In reference to Message Id: 2024989


 Fires are platinum??

Yes , platinums are just another name for fires. They are the same snake.

They aren’t het for ivory. Het means heritage from ancestors, what they can do is produce a super form (ivory). As for them being connected to leucistics, i don’t know. I believe they aren’t, because leucistic genes are another deal (like albinistic genes).
06/19/09  09:41am

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Guitar Boy 3
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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 2025145


 Fires are platinum??

Ya as far as I know, platinums don’t have much to do with lucys at all they just produce ivories.



06/19/09  10:41am

 #2025327


MUCKY
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   Message To: Guitar Boy 3   In reference to Message Id: 2025163


 Fires are platinum??

ah cheers guys, well bob must have mis typed lol, but he actally did say he created lucys with fires and in the clutch he got lucys, fires, ivorys and super ivorys

oh and sorry to change the topic guys but omg there is actually so many different morphs of retics getting created these days lol i was watching youtube and phrehestoric pets have made quite a few morphs, like they made some weird morph that was white from the bottom half of the girth and a tiger sort of look near the top half of the girth, it was amazing! i know they make new morphs by breeding different dominant and co-dominant genes but i find it so a little bit confusing but i also understand its weird lol.
how can tell what your going to get in a clutch?
this is some examples to see if im right lol please tell if im wrong :)

purple retic X tiger = some would be purple het tiger, some would be tiger het purple, and some would be purple tigers ........ right?

lol i used to study this like everyday but ive forgot how to do it

if i learnt how to it would much more easier and exciting everytime the retics breed b’coz atleast then i know what would be coming lol

cheers!! :)
06/19/09  03:01pm

 #2025413


JimmyDavid
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   Message To: MUCKY   In reference to Message Id: 2025327


 Fires are platinum??

I think you would also get some straight normals, anyway (poss. het for either tiger or lavender).. it starts getting tricky after crossing too many types, because they will not add up ALL genes, some are lost, others kept, and "het" becomes only a possibility. Many snakes advertised as hets, are probably wrong, these days.

Anyway, Bob couldn’t get a lucy from a clutch of fires (or ivories) unless the gene was already there to start with. Spontaneous creation of albino or leucistic genes are very rare. But i’m not really aware of the history behind his clutch, so i wont say anything.
06/19/09  04:50pm

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MUCKY
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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 2025413


 Fires are platinum??

thanks jimmy
so how did he make the lucys then, by accident?
and that also means the only way to get lucys is actually buy them from bob since he has the only ones lol



06/19/09  06:31pm

 #2025471


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   Message To: MUCKY   In reference to Message Id: 2025455


 Fires are platinum??

Actually a purple albino x tiger would make (normals het albino, tigers het albino) Albino is a recessive gene and tiger is a co dom so you cant get het tigers. Bob got lucys from breeding an ultra ivory x ultra ivory which to me makes no sense because an ivory is the super form of a platinum and the ultra is a super of the ivory which actaully wouldnt be possible and then that would make the lucy the super form of the ultra which deff doesnt make sense. I really don’t know what to say about the lucy retics. I was talking to Andy at NERD last week trying to figure it out. Deff more to be looking into there.
06/19/09  07:30pm

 #2034613


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   Message To: LAZYGUY123   In reference to Message Id: 2025471


 Fires are platinum??

Well I kno platty to platty is 50% plattys 25% normals 25%ivorys
Platty to ivory will make 50% platty 50%ivory and ultras mixed in ultras ull get more ivorys tho
Ivory to ivory you’ll get 50%ivorys 25% lucy 25%ultras
This info was givin to me by prehistoric pets only way ull get lucys is from ivory to ivory,ultra to ultra or ultra to ivory the platty morph is a snake worth buyin there’s so many surprizes with this morph
07/05/09  09:59pm

 #2034653


JimmyDavid
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   Message To: Afrockguy   In reference to Message Id: 2034613


 Fires are platinum??

I would use the term "lucy", in that 25% stock, with extreme caution. Perhpas it’s best to say "there’s a 25% offspring that looks leucistic". That avoids being laughed at by people with scientific education. You see, fact is you cannot achieve a TRUE leucistic animal from breeding this and that. Leucistic cells only originate from direct leucistic ancestors or mutation. Now, what those 25% produce, at best, is a snake with white skin and black eyes. Just that. NOT an animal that suffers from total pigmentation incapacity. 2+2=4... 3+1=4... same result, different math to get there.
It reminds me, years back, when the first supertigers were produced, people called them stripped retics. A mistake these days corrected, since those stripes are not a part of their genes at all. So, i would prefer to call those 25% "super ivories" that happen to look leucistic. Unless a genetic test proves them to have the natural disorder, wich i don’t think has been done. Someone correct me if i’m wrong...
07/05/09  11:12pm


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