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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Ok get it right!!!!
A coastal carpet does not get 14ft I have never heard of one that big and I prolly wont ever see on that big! Unless you show me actuall pics and real info stop saying they get that big the bigest one I have seen was a 10 or 11 footer ok.! Dont allways belive what you read on care sheets! Just because you read it doesnt mean its true! Jungle carpets they dont grow 7-8ft!!!! They grow 4 1/2-6 tops I have know a guy with a 6ft carpet but it was old and it died! Again unless I see pics of that 8ft 7ft jungle stop saying it can get that big its misleading people and then they dont want that animal because they were misinformed. Carpets are very nice snakes ( when tamed it doesnt take that long) and I would recomend them to alot of people. Now remember not every snake is the same just because their a certain species doesnt mean their going to act like every other snake that is in the same species. Every snake has a mind of its own! Blood pythons they have a bad rep for being mean/agressive/bad they arent that bad im pretty sure they got that rep from inexperienced keepers. Again dont belive everything you hear you may have a totally differnt experience yourself. Chondros aka green tree pythons. They arent bad snakes their more display then actually handleing snakes. As hatchlings/juviniles shouldent be played with much just cleaning and an ocational handleing (I dont recomend handleing a hatchling at all) ( juviniles maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks depending on how old) These arent that bad if you know what your doing and they make good pets I would recomend these to the a little more experienced. Ok please think twice before posting because alot of people may read these things and get the wrong idea. As for people who allways ask what should I get, should I get this , Before posting these post do a little reasearch your self it doesnt hurt to look up the animal for 10 min and then ask if this is a good animal to have pics stuff like that. Remember before you buy any animal do reasearch on that animal before you buy it no matter how tempting it is! I hate to read how big does a burm,retic get after they bought it and have no idea about it. SO plz give out the right info, do reasearch yourself before giving advise to other herpers out their. (meaning dont read only one care sheet and think you know it all read several ones and then post) Hope you dident take this in the wrong way just trying to get the right info out their! Thanks -Carpondro17- |
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| 03/20/08 11:02am |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668499 Ok get it right!!!!
Im keeping this tread alive! |
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| 03/20/08 02:59pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668499 Ok get it right!!!!
in a post not to long ago by a nice fellow named i think Jackasp he had a HUGE coastal like 12 feet about he said, it was huge, so come on your telling me that a 14 foot coastal is impossible, thats only 2 more feet. it can happen. and jungles can get any where from 4.5 to 8 feet they probably wont get to 8 but its a possiblity, i dont know why you never heard of them getting that big.. its not misleading its giving all the info about size and more. its leting you know that its happened. |
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| 03/20/08 04:04pm |
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Charlystarly View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668499 Ok get it right!!!!
And btw just because someone doesn’t read loads of care sheets before they post doesn’t mean you have to say that, they might just want to no what other people’s temperments are like. i NEVER said the went to 8ft. Here’s some pics of large JCP that are around 6-7 ft: Link Link Their not exactly 7ft but their about 6.5 at least. snake never stop growing and they live for 20yrs(normally) and grow about 5mm a year when their ’fully grown’. Therefore if they live longer than 20yrs then it’s obvious that their going to go higher than the normal measuring amounts. and i never said that coastals get to 14ft. I never said that carpets are horrible either. your just angry cos i said that jungles are smaller than coastals and said to someone to get a jungle not a coastal. Can’t stand that someone is going against what you said??? |
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| 03/20/08 04:39pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Charlystarly In reference to Message Id: 1668837 Ok get it right!!!!
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| 03/20/08 05:39pm |
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Charlystarly View Profile |
Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1668917
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| 03/20/08 05:46pm |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Charlystarly In reference to Message Id: 1668837 Ok get it right!!!!
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| 03/20/08 05:55pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668948 Ok get it right!!!!
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| 03/20/08 06:14pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668948 Ok get it right!!!!
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| 03/20/08 06:16pm |
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Chezequerz View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668948 Ok get it right!!!!
most humans are on average 5-6.5 feet but there are still people that are 7 and even 8 feet tall theres no logical arguement why they cannot reach 10 feet however it should be noted these snakes are by no means common but it is possible. I think you should look them up a bit more before stating how big they are garantueed to get |
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| 03/20/08 06:27pm |
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Trentiusmaximus View Profile |
Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1668978 Ok get it right!!!!
So to sum things up, Those who want to ask question, go ahead, but it is polite if you at least made an effort to do some research. An example "I have made an effort to find the size of carpet pythons and i cannot find a reliable source. How large can they get?" If you convey that you have made an effort to do research then we will be more than happy to help you. However saying that JCP’s can reach 7 feet on average is not a fair statement. Same with "Which snake should i get?" This question is incredibly ineffective. Everyone has different opinions. From the guy who is content with his baby corn snake to the lady with designer eyelash viper morphs. A more effective question would be: "I have done some research and i am having trouble choosing whether or not i should get ___________ or _____________ . Do any of you have any advice on these species?" Narrow your choices, make an effort to do research, and we will be happy to help. This forum is meant to generate a community where we can all help each other. There is never an excuse to be hostile to someone who is trying to help. Remember that people who seem like instigators are offering their opinions. You might ask if you are experienced enough to care for a certain animal. One person might say yes, one might say no. You should never rely on any body’s opinion as fact even though they are telling you what you want to hear. To participate in these forums, a descent amount maturity is needed. No one intended for us to be enemies. Charly, you seem hostile because you think that this thread was directed at you. But you may not have noticed that Charpondro was addressing a frequent problem occurring in this forum. Read posts from the past and count the ones that apply. You will find that it gets very annoying. Remember that we are here to help you, but to allow for the best experience with your herpotological experience, it is essential that you do not rely on this forum as your primary source. It is indeed a great source, and fast if you have a problem or question. But it should not serve as the basis for your education about a species of animal that you are considering acquiring. Cheers Trent |
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| 03/20/08 06:52pm |
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Trentiusmaximus View Profile |
Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1668976 Ok get it right!!!!
Quote: look i easily found exact proof a ten footer jungle. come on..
2 things, personally, that looks more like a coastal to me, and second.... How did you find that image? RESEARCH! lol Oh and Charly, im sorry for providing false info on the size of Jungle Carpet Pythons. I never did that research because i didnt care how large they got. I bought one and i was prepared to care for it no matter how big she would be. But I did the research just for this purpose and Carpodro is correct on the sizes. |
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| 03/20/08 06:57pm |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1669022 Ok get it right!!!!
Im not going to argue and waste my time trying to teach you people a thing or two if you want to learn good if you dont then dont bother. All I want is for people to read this when they first get on the forum so they dont ask 1000000000 questions with out doing a bit or reasearch and then geting the wrong ideas . Their thats what I have to say. |
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| 03/20/08 07:04pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1669048 Ok get it right!!!!
well any ways good points i geuss lol, and yup when i was talking about a jungle being 8 feet or more or a coastal being 14 feet i made sure to state that those were either extremly rare occurences or record breakers. and any time people ask size questions i always let them know a snake of that size porportion is possible but defintly not likely. but if your responsible you should be prepared either way, because if they didnt know they should no all the possibilities weither they are likely or not likely. and an eight fot jungle is not as rare as your making out to be, i have seen plenty... thats really not that big for a snake to get that size. |
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| 03/20/08 11:56pm |
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Charlystarly View Profile |
Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1669033
Not to mention that some idiots power feed their snakes which is not good for their health and can make them bigger. And people should do research before they post and if they read this message they’ll more that likely do research and find out if it’s true or not!! i done 3 hours research last night and found alot of caresheets that said that they range from 4-7ft. And did i mention that you’d be just as bad as me if i was giving out false information, even though i’m not. You can’t say much about doing research before you get a snake you don’t seem to of! You just bought it no matter how large it gets and that’s not research your accusing me of giving out false information and you’ve just addmitted it yourself. LMAO. |
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| 03/21/08 05:41am |
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Charlystarly View Profile |
Message To: Charlystarly In reference to Message Id: 1669574
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| 03/21/08 07:21am |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Charlystarly In reference to Message Id: 1669574 Ok get it right!!!!
Ok now im aiming right at you!!!!!! I prolly hvae like 10XXX the experience you do, I spend plenty more hours then 3 hours looking up animals that I have and that I dont want just to learn about them! Im just gonna stop here because your like a 12 year old kid thinking he knows everything and talking all this smak . Scince you think everything is at you why dont you look at alllllll the post in the last 2 pages and see what im talking about same questions people want us to makes their decisions and some people spen like 5 min on reasearch and give take a look why dont ya! |
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| 03/21/08 10:21am |
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BEARDED View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668499 Ok get it right!!!!
and heres another one thats 8’
So get you facts straight before post a topic like this. My female JCP is about 8 months old and 43’’ long. I have no doubt that she is going to be atleast 7-8’ long |
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| 03/21/08 11:01am |
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Chezequerz View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1669696 Ok get it right!!!!
she didnt go out to prove you wrong im buying her a jungle and she researched them for that evidently you care if you wanna post a topic on it yes these are records but they fall into the possibility margin ide rather say a snakes record length to a new keeper as opposed to the typical one and have them landed with a huge snake they cant deal with. the longest retic was 33 feet long this points to a possibility not a usuality your point is like saying play russian roulette because ure more likely to live than die yes this is her first reptile but ive had close to 13 years on my record whats yours so does she between us weve probably read every board on the forum particularly care sheets actually charlystarly is 13 close guess though charlystarly is also a girl not a guy the guy whos post is above me proves her fact that they CAN get above what u think they do i mean one snake would be a coincidence THAT GUY HAS AT LEAST 2 AT A SIZE YOU SAID IS NOT POSSIBLE and this is one keeper here i think u should do a little homework coz this thread is a failure theres no credible proof that ure correct and theres a fair bit including a photo with size comparison to a human that proves charlystarly is in fact correct |
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| 03/21/08 11:38am |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: BEARDED In reference to Message Id: 1669738 Ok get it right!!!!
As for your jcp what you feeding that? Is that a pure jcp do you have any record of parents? (im not saying its not just asking) |
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| 03/21/08 12:35pm |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1669766 Ok get it right!!!!
Ok so for now on when people say a size on a snake they should say (example) Jungle carpets AVERAGE 4 1/2-6ft and 7 and 8ft speciments are rare or have been recorded.? |
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| 03/21/08 12:43pm |
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Trentiusmaximus View Profile |
Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1669766 Ok get it right!!!!
We never said that carpets couldn’t reach 8 feet. I never said that a carpet couldn’t reach 100 feet. Carpondro and I just don’t want to discourage future snake keepers with potential size of animals. Please notice: What is the average size for JCP’s? I can assure you its not 10 feet. Its not even 7 feet. Most JCP stay 6.5 feet or less. That is a fact and irrefutable. I am not saying that there is not such thing as a Jungle Carpet Python that is larger than that. But the chances of a specimen getting that size are very slim. With so many individuals out there however, the chances of obtaining an animal that grows to that length are greater than none. In plain text Charly, i know were pissing you off, but we believe you are making a mistake. Remember how I talked about opinions? Maybe everyone should reread my earlier post. Seriously though, its perfectly acceptable to take the advice of experienced keepers. If you really care about your pets, you should take in all the information you can. Even if its not what you want to hear. We are trying to help. But the only way we can provide information and help is through replies on this forum. It is your choice entirely if you want to listen to us. But there is really no reason to backfire on those who care. "de familae unum" A family of one Trent |
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| 03/21/08 01:14pm |
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Chezequerz View Profile |
Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1669860 Ok get it right!!!!
Quote: Jungles get 4 1/2 -6ft not 6-7 1/2.
this is a qoute from Carpondro17 on the thread in this section titled "what type of python should i get". He directly denounces snakes of this species reaching 7.5 when theres someone with a specimin over 10 feet. Yeah its understandable but its better that they are discouraged by a possible fact than end up with one that gets bigger than they expected look at the snake up there its not something people will wanna end up with if they aren’t informed of all the possibilities. I am aware of the average size but average sizes are no good if the snake gets larger it is better to mention that these sizes are obtainable but not likely. My point presicely these lengths are possible and although should not be expected should be a fact that the keeper is aware of. She isnt really making a mistake when theres proof of these snakes exsistance she may be over generalising them but she is certaintly not wrong. Alot of snake information tends to contradict itself she has no risk of harming a snake with an assumption that it may reach a larger size than usual. Particularly when i moderate the food size and tank size i believe in promoting snake keeping i hate the idealist attitude a few posters on here have (this is not meant to sound as if its targeting you as it is not) really has little help the risks of the hobby dying are not from over estimation but in fact come from people jumping on the newbies. Think of it as school who ever listened to the teacher that yelled loads. The water dragon board has it perfectly they are friendly and give appropriate corresponding advice which may explain why that board is a success more than most others. Whereas boards like the boa board where most (but certaintly not all) tend to be elitists is a pretty barren forum. ill use a sun tzu qoute i believe it applies slightly here Quote: a good leader leads by example not by force
anyway stay safe sorry if i seem hostile mate Dan |
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| 03/21/08 01:38pm |
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Ambiguous666 View Profile |
Message To: Chezequerz In reference to Message Id: 1669882 Ok get it right!!!!
Quote: Yeah its understandable but its better that they are discouraged by a possible fact than end up with one that gets bigger than they expected look at the snake up there its not something people will wanna end up with if they aren’t informed of all the possibilities. I am aware of the average size but average sizes are no good if the snake gets larger it is better to mention that these sizes are obtainable but not likely. My point presicely these lengths are possible and although should not be expected should be a fact that the keeper is aware of.
and this i absolutly agree on, that is exactly what i said as well in a earlier message on here as well =]] |
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| 03/21/08 02:45pm |
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BEARDED View Profile |
Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1669953 Ok get it right!!!!
But 7’-8’ Carpets aren’t that uncommon I’ve seen lots of 7’ males on king snake, and the males are supposed to be smaller than females. So if there are males that can get 7’ than a female should be able to get that big easily. I’ve also seen pics of some IJ’s that have gotten 6’ and this really big one that was like 8’ long and those ones are the smallest carpets of them all. I know 7’-8’ carpets aren’t the norm, but if someone is expecting a snake to top out at 6’ and then it hits 8’ and then they can’t handle it and have to get rid of it isn’t good for them or the snake. I would rather tell them the max length they can get so they can prepare if the snake does get that big. I would be pretty upset if someone told me that my snake would get 4-6’ and then it gets bigger than that and I can’t keep it any more because of state or city laws or my parents thought it was to big. I would be pretty pissed at the person that told me that. And sorry if any one thought those Carpets were mine. I wish They were tho  |
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| 03/21/08 04:01pm |
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Sully View Profile |
Message To: BEARDED In reference to Message Id: 1670037 Ok get it right!!!!
Quote: Im just gonna stop here because your like a 12 year old kid thinking he knows everything and talking all this smak .
Scince you think everything is at you why dont you look at alllllll the post in the last 2 pages and see what im talking about same questions people want us to makes their decisions and some people spen like 5 min on reasearch and give take a look why dont ya! and you are what, 15? dont act like you have all the experience in the world, when you dont. It’s simple, jungles CAN get 7-8 feet, coastal’s CAN get 13-14, tics CAN get to 30 feet, if you are going to get any species of snake you need to be able to care for it- no matter what its size. i.e. if you are getting a coastal you should be prepared for a 12+ foot snake- because it can happen, don’t just hope it wont get that big. now if anyone said coastals get that big with any regularity, then they should be corrected, but dont throw a pissy fit if someone states that ’’x’’ species can get to ’’x’’ size when it HAS HAPPENED in the past. im guessing you havent seen the 7’ ball either? |
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| 03/21/08 04:17pm |
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Punkrockchick View Profile |
Message To: Carpondro17 In reference to Message Id: 1668499 Ok get it right!!!!
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| 03/21/08 04:36pm |
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Trentiusmaximus View Profile |
Message To: Punkrockchick In reference to Message Id: 1670081 Ok get it right!!!!
Peace lol Trent |
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| 03/21/08 05:22pm |
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Carpondro17 View Profile |
Message To: Trentiusmaximus In reference to Message Id: 1669860 Ok get it right!!!!
So I tryed you people say what you want do what you want I really couldent care. I admit I tryed to post this not to start any trouble but I guess some got cought up. All I wanted was for people to make sure they gave out the right info and think twice before saying something bad they dont know about another species. Soo all I can say is I tryed end of story. |
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| 03/21/08 05:56pm |
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Ok get it right!!!!
