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 #1675606


Trentiusmaximus
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 Got heat?

So i am going to built a cage for my future chondro. It will be 35 inches tall 24 inches wide and 24 inches deep. How do I heat the darn thing? Heat Tape, Ceramic builb, halogen floodlight, incadescent, heat cord or what? Which is the best configuration for heating and perches inside the tank for a Green Tree Python? I keep trying to look up what the best is but i want a straight answer from those here who have experience. Should i change the dimension at all? I dont want to go above a 24 inch width because my sheet of acrylic wont fit the front.

Please try to answer all of my questions to the best of your ability.

THanks!
03/25/08  07:49pm

 #1675820


Carpondro17
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1675606


 Got heat?

How big of a chondro are you getting?
I suggest heat pannels they go on top of the cage and work pretty well. You could also use heat tape but I suggest a heat panel.
03/25/08  09:32pm

 #1676128


M.viridis
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1675606


 Got heat?

Good luck with your 36" tall cage heating it properly with any one heat source. That is the reason why it is not recommended to go so tall.

www.finegtps.com www.moreliaviridis.com that is where you will find the experienced help you are seeking, you’re asking us to write a complete care sheet for you here. Why repeat all the hard work doing so when it doesn’t look like you’re doing any research on your own?

www.signalherp.com has a great care book for only 10$ which is refundable on any purchase made with Rico.

Heat panels in adult cages, heat tape for neonate and juvie tubs. My 60+ cbb chondros say that works for them.



03/25/08  11:50pm

 #1676170


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   Message To: M.viridis   In reference to Message Id: 1676128


 Got heat?

You go sister lol!
03/26/08  12:19am

 #1676445


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: Carpondro17   In reference to Message Id: 1676170


 Got heat?

The fact is, i havent stopped reseatching. Everyone says bigger is always better, so i decided to go taller. Its not built yet so ill just shorten it. No big deal. My basic question is will ceramics and incadescent lights work? There are so many brands out the saying that their product is the best. I guess I really just want to know which is the best brand to use. Or just a brand that works.
03/26/08  11:04am

 #1676544


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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1676445


 Got heat?

Well you dont have to build your cage. You seem sooo stressed over this why dont you just buy a cage their not soo expensive depending what brand you use. I have a couple of websites you can look at here
www.pvccages.com
www.dragons4you.com
www.glasscages.com
and soo on their some cages that work and some that dont.
Go to www.finegtps.com and look at how to build the cages Greg Maxwell has you could prolly do it!
Also his book is great you should buy it I did and it helps me alot!
03/26/08  12:59pm

 #1677077


M.viridis
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   Message To: Carpondro17   In reference to Message Id: 1676544


 Got heat?

Quote:

Everyone says bigger is always better,



I’d be real interested in knowing one experienced chondro keeper that has said bigger is better!! It just isn’t so with these guys..... you say you want what’s best, but in all your research I’m betting that almost all of it will point to the fact that heat panels are the wisest choice for chondros. Yet, you still want to use something that will make it more difficult for you to keep them, ie ceramic or heat emitting bulbs so you’re waiting for someone to tell you to use them.

I really don’t mean to bust your balls on this, but it sure doesn’t seem like you’re listening to the advice you are getting and just waiting to hear more what you want to hear.

My ONLY purpose for even bothering to come to this forum is to try to help newbies with this species. My purpose is to try to help demystify these animals and hope that people WILL have a good experience with their first chondros. I want to encourage people to have a good time with these and to make the leap. Basically, chondros ARE easy to keep IF people are willing to spend the money up front and do a proper set up. I think it’s even more important for first timers to go all out, it IS possible to use glass aquariums with screen tops, it IS possible to use heat bulbs, it IS possible to have a taller than wide cage...... but all of these things WILL make long term care of chondros much more difficult over the long run. All I’m saying is do it right, once you have a good set up these snakes are no more difficult to keep than many others.

FWIW, I have seen Greg Maxwell’s set up in person and his wooden cages. They were over 10 years old the first time I saw them and they’re still in use, they still look great (but, he is a master wood crafter too and has superior building skills)..... if you build wood right, it can work very well but it’s a lot of work and probably no cheaper than nice plastic/pvc cages.
03/26/08  08:21pm

 #1677319


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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1675606


 Got heat?

hey whats up, some people are asses on here,

but have you heard of a place called proproducts? the site is proproducts.com they use heat panels thats what i am going to try, they are suppose to work really well, you just call them tell em what animal you are trying to heat, cage size demensions and everything and they tell you exactly which size one will work to heat it properly, they have over 200 different sizes, when i called the guy he was very helpful. try them, see what you think.. i am.

good luck. i geuss some people rather argue then be helpful.
03/26/08  10:55pm

 #1677342


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1677319


 Got heat?

I know that im a stubborn a$$. I totally realize that and im taking your criticism the best I can. Its just that i get all the building materials and bulbs that i want for free. So i really want to build a cage for an expense of none other than my time before I buy a production cage at whatever the cost. I dont want a sterilite tub because i want to see the snake. Im basically trying to get an answer that I want to hear, even against my own advice. But i want to know, will bulbs work? I dont want to spend over $50 on a heat panel if I can use other means of heating that I can get for free. Is that understandable? I know for a fact that not every chondro keeper uses a heat panel. So im narrowed to two basic questions now. Will bulbs work? Will Heat tape work? Those are yes or no questions. I really thank you all for your time
03/26/08  11:21pm

 #1677412


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1677342


 Got heat?

well tell u what i dont know a lot about these snakes but im sure as long as you can keep it at the right temp and humidlty level,and any other needs it needs it dosent matter what you use to heat it. you were just asking what to use, you didient menchion that it had to be bulbs. i was just giving you advice on a good product in my opioinon i just want to give my reptile the safest, nicest, and most healthest environment possible no matter what the cost. but im sure you could.

(and i wasent calling you the hamster brain). later.
03/27/08  12:33am

 #1677423


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1677412


 Got heat?

And no one can blame you. It was my fault that i didnt get my whole situation across. Its more of a budget thing. I breed my own mice and rats so i got food. And my good friend who owns a pet store gets me free bedding. So I really only have enough to buy the snake. Every aspect of the snake will be taken care of. But i have more of a budget problem than anything else. Im just rich in resources.
03/27/08  12:52am

 #1677867


M.viridis
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1677423


 Got heat?

Ambiguous’s answer is spot on! So long as the temps and humidity are correct the snake will be fine.

I would just recommend that you just set it up and get the cage running for a couple weeks before purchasing a snake to put in there. Monitor your temps, work to get nice gradiant from side to side, not up/down and get the humidity dialed in. Each set up is unique and different areas of the country need to focus on humidity more than others.



03/27/08  03:00pm

 #1678336


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: M.viridis   In reference to Message Id: 1677867


 Got heat?

Totally. Ill do experaments first the let you guys know when i get one.
03/27/08  07:54pm

 #1678839


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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1678336


 Got heat?

ok, another thing, you said your friend works at a shop so you get free bedding, discounts and stuff like that, so since your saving money already on other parts why dont you just get a heat panel???

it will be much better, dont worry about the money on this one, also the place i recomended has a 10 year warranty, and average life span of one panel is 35 years+! so actually your saving money! instead of wasting it on stupid heat bulbs! come on, start thinking about the long run!



03/28/08  02:58am

 #1679254


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1678839


 Got heat?

Id really like to, i swear. But he doesnt stock heat panels. Same with all the other pet stores remotely close to me here in california. Ill look for heat panels first though online.
03/28/08  01:24pm

 #1679260


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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1679254


 Got heat?

What type should I get as far as wattage and brand?
03/28/08  01:28pm

 #1679264


Trentiusmaximus
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1679254


 Got heat?

What panel should I get as far as size, wattage and brand? I found a 50 watt heat panel online from The Bean Farm for $60. WIll this suffice?
03/28/08  01:29pm

 #1679426


Carpondro17
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1677423


 Got heat?

Hold up hold up one thing! You say your on a budget what happens if the snake get sick and you have to take it to the vet several times? What are you going to do then? No being mean or anything but you have to think about stuff like this. My opinion is for you to wait a while and get things right then buy the snake and have some extra money just in case.
03/28/08  03:51pm

 #1679496


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Trentiusmaximus   In reference to Message Id: 1679260


 Got heat?

yea i got one from bean farm it fine, but since you want to find the perfect one for your cage that has the right watts, size and everything try going here Link

call them and they will tell you everything you need to know to get the right one.

good luck!
03/28/08  04:48pm


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