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 #1802952


Rainforest
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 Rainforest Green House 8D

Sooo, I was thinkin’ of something really cool. You know how the conversation on mixing herps goes? "Can I?" "No" "Why? They’re mixed in the wild" "That’s because there’s enough space between them"

so what if I created that space?

Here’s my thought: I build a huge green house. Tall and wide. I put bunches of natural, live rainforest plants in it. Then, I create a running stream which then runs into a a still pond. I would have trees and low shrubs and water plants. Then, once it’s stable I put rainforest animals in it. Ones that be naturally living together in the wild.

That’s one thing I need help with. I’m going to list what I want to put in there and you tell me if I can. They all need to be rather docile

Chameleon(What kind?)
Anoles
Turtle(What kind?)
Red eyed tree frogs
Dumpy tree frogs
Green tree frogs
Fish(Black ghost knives or neon tetras or discus)
fire bellied toads
And now an EXTREMELY questionable one: Jungle carpet python

These are simply options. I would have tall, sturdy trees and little shrubs.

Now for the care: humidity would basically stay at 80-90 and temps 80-90
I would dump different kinds of rainforest insects in there. Do you think maybe a thousand or two would breed and produce enough food, or should I dump like, a thousand in weekly or something? as for the snake, I’m a little worried about it eating the chameleon or something. I give it rats by hand (Even if I have to climb a tree) to make sure it was full so it wouldn’t attack anything. JUST TO CLARIFY, I AM VERY UNSURE IF I WOULD EVEN WANT IT IN THERE

Now for dimensions.

This is just a very very very loose example. Very flexible
Two chameleons (Male, Female)
Four Anoles (1 Male, 3 Females)
One Turtle(MAYBE)
3 Red eyed tree frogs
4 Fire belled toads
POSSIBLY a female carpet python

This is just to get an idea, I’m not sure what I can keep in there. What dimensions would I need for that amount of animals? With the carpet python? Without the carpet python?

Any suggestions, opinions, comments, constructive criticism, even nicely telling me it’s the worst idea you ever heard, or questions is welcome.

Any bashing, screaming, non vulgar name calling, or vulgar name calling is NOT so welcome.
07/20/08  11:48am

 #1803154


Farout
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1802952


 Rainforest Green House 8D

If you put a carpet python in there, say goodbye to your chameleons, anoles and maybe even your frogs. :-)

Just be sure you research carefully what kind of environment each animal inhabits in the wild. You will definitely need multiple basking sites.
07/20/08  03:42pm

 #1803158


Ammeratsu
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   Message To: Farout   In reference to Message Id: 1803154


 Rainforest Green House 8D

That’s what I figured

And yes, I know. I’m still months away from even starting the project
07/20/08  03:45pm

 #1803401


Sra
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   Message To: Ammeratsu   In reference to Message Id: 1803158


 Rainforest Green House 8D

That is such a cool idea. If I were you, I’d go with all different kinds of four legged reptiles and amphibians. It sounds like a perfect housing situation with Chameleons though. I don’t think a snake would be very comfortable in it. The humidity is much too high for a JCP... maybe if you got everything to work out, a Brazilian Rainbow Boa would fit in there nicely, although they do like lower temperatures than what you described your little rainforest to be. But feeding and general maintenance would be a big issue with such a large area. It does sound like a great place to start a colony of Panther Chameleons, though.
07/20/08  07:43pm

 #1803502


Rainforest
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   Message To: Sra   In reference to Message Id: 1803401


 Rainforest Green House 8D

Sorry, I was at a friends house and forgot to log in. xDD

Yeah, I’m still doing some research on what to put in there and what not to. My sister really wants a turtle. xDD
07/20/08  09:09pm

 #1803998


Bogie
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1803502


 Rainforest Green House 8D

i think that is an incredible idea. who knows, if it catches on you may have started a new idea in the hobby which catches on. the thing is, you need to know 100% the care of all the animals. to be honest i would try and keep all of them for a week seperately so they all settle in. as for the JCP, you can almost kiss goodbye to half of the animals. you will have to be prepared that you are artificially setting up a little corner of nature in your yard. animals are going to eat each other regularly. a turtle will eat black ghost knives, and black ghosts will eat all your other fish. a chameleon would have a go at small tree frogs. a snake would have a go at almost everything. so you would have to be prepared to lose some.
im no expert but i would have.
2 chameleons, panther or jacksons ( suited to the environment)
2 turtles, ( soft shells would be nice, or if your feeling rich, some mata matas)
6 or more red eyed tree frogs, or whites tree frogs. ( to establish a colony, whites would be larger and hardier)
day geckos the good thing with these, is that there active time doesnt correspong with the tree frogs, so the day gecko will not have a go at the tree frogs)
if you want to keep a snake maybe some small tree snakes. they do feed on frogs, but all snakes will try and eat something in there.
if you really want a boa, maybe a dumerils or ground boa. to avoid conflict with arboreal species, a ball python etc.
to be honest i think a carpet python or rainbow especially would be awesome, but its give or take, you have chameleons and pythons, ones gonna go. chameleons arent cheap, to me it would be a snake or chameleon, a snake in my opinion would cost alot less, would be hardier, and would give you more visual pleasure. chameleons are elusive in large spaces. And having bred them, i know all to well how hard they can be to keep with anything else, even another chameleon.
maybe think about keeping a smaller snake that cant prey on a large lizard, and think about an iguana !! the possibilities are almost endless

thanks for asking this question, ha, its given me a lot of enjoyment thinking about the possibility!
hope this helped.
harry



07/21/08  01:12pm

 #1804996


Repta dude
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   Message To: Bogie   In reference to Message Id: 1803998


 Rainforest Green House 8D

i like the idea but i hope you understand how much work, time, and money that project is going to take, and its not space that ensures the survival of the aniamls its if they reproduce or not.
07/22/08  12:30pm

 #1836848


RIFT 2 REEF HERP GUY
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   Message To: Repta dude   In reference to Message Id: 1804996


 Rainforest Green House 8D

Yeah that’s a great idea I had a similar one but with chondros and finches and stuff I think u should go for it. It’s the kind of project that is too expensive to do it wrong so u might as well do it right. The only precaution I would take is that you make absolutely certain that none the insects that aren’t native to where u live get out, or anything else for that matter. If you want n ecosystem in a space like that your gonna need to make it like zoo quality or better. I’m talking like 4 ft concrete walls with a glass roof. And temp control if gets cold where u live. It’s a lot of work but with the right resources I’m sure it would be amazing.
08/20/08  12:29am

 #1838198


Carpondro17
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1802952


 Rainforest Green House 8D

What would be the dimentions of the green house???
How would you make sure all animals got feed well??
If its gonna be BIG the majority of the animals will die because they will not be able to find food..
Anoles they are survivors and eventually if you have a hundered or so they will breed and breed lol
As for the turtles and fish thoes will be easy to clean but what happens when you have to clean their 100 gal pond ( or bigger)
What about cleaning that BIG green house its going to take up A lot of your time!
It doesnt sound like a good idea to me.. Well if you have the time to manage all these animals go for it but eventually something will happen that you wont like...



08/21/08  12:19pm

 #1841024


Hog
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   Message To: Carpondro17   In reference to Message Id: 1838198


 Rainforest Green House 8D

ok you put all them in most likely ur gonna stress the chameleons to death they dont want to have other reptiles near them plus feeding time is gonna be a mess they wont get as much as faster animals just saying they will be stressed if u put them with pother animals.
08/24/08  08:33am


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