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 #1672795


Jeniren
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 Corn or Rat Snake?

hey, a while ago i went ino a shop selling mostly corns however there was one *baby* and it looked excatly like a anatheristic corn and it said so on the label so obviously i carried on looking around but i came back and noticed it was thicker and the head didnt have a pattern on it, just pure grey/black and it was wider the jaws were more rounded also. Im just confused because this isnt like any of the normal cornsnakes that i look at and it looks extremly similar to other black snakes that ive seen around ?



03/23/08  03:45pm

 #1672796


Jeniren
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   Message To: Jeniren   In reference to Message Id: 1672795


 Corn or Rat Snake?

sorry i ment *black ratsnakes*
03/23/08  03:45pm

 #1673111


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Jeniren   In reference to Message Id: 1672796


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Did it look like this black rat snake?


Same snake a few months older



03/23/08  07:28pm

 #1675657


Reptilefreak23
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1673111


 Corn or Rat Snake?

dont corn and ratsnakes require the same care?
Since corns are a type of rat

AND NICE SNAKE Wisema2297!

PS i have both and I care for them the same... depending on the size ofcorse though

Thanks yall!
03/25/08  08:14pm

 #1675813


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1675657


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Yes they are both rat snakes and require very similar care. Only differences worth noting are two things:

Black rats breed much better in brumated. Corns do not have to be brumated.

Black rats are much more active and diurnal as opposed to the crepuscular corn. Because of this I would give the BR a larger enclosure with some vertical climbing opportunity.



03/25/08  09:30pm

 #1677291


Reptilefreak23
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1675813


 Corn or Rat Snake?

I do, but thankyou !!
03/26/08  10:37pm

 #1692749


Jeniren
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   Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1677291


 Corn or Rat Snake?

yeah!

it looked like the older version

thankyou:]



04/07/08  08:00am

 #1711816


Ichigo
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   Message To: Jeniren   In reference to Message Id: 1692749


 Corn or Rat Snake?

rat snake and corns are related though......right?thats what i heard.
04/21/08  09:09pm

 #1712347


Jeniren
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   Message To: Ichigo   In reference to Message Id: 1711816


 Corn or Rat Snake?

yeah they stream from the same bloodlines .. from what ive read :P



04/22/08  12:54pm

 #1712995


Reptilefreak23
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   Message To: Jeniren   In reference to Message Id: 1712347


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Corns are a preticular KIND of ray snake. They were came to be known as there own species by farmers finding them in their corn fields and calling them ’red rat snake’.

Thats not scientific but thats how people noticed their difference
04/22/08  10:21pm

 #1727999


Billbert
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   Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1712995


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Wisema2297 That is not a black rat we have them all over here in IN and none of them look like that google black rat snake Images.



05/07/08  11:44am

 #1728312


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Billbert   In reference to Message Id: 1727999


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Billbert YOU had better do YOUR research. I have been keeping these for over 15 years. That is a black rat snake. Maybe YOU should google black rat snake hatchlings.....BTW she is getting blacker with every shed......thats how it works with black rat snakes......they do not come out of the egg black .......they hatch out with pattern to help break up their outline so as to hide from predetors until they get older.
In some states black rats keep their juvenile pattern all the way into adulthood. Here in VA they tend to turn very black. She is not even 2 yrs old yet and will get even blacker than the pic below.

Please reply.




05/07/08  04:43pm

 #1728323


Billbert
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1728312


 Corn or Rat Snake?

OK you are right the ones i have seen here are older than the pic you showed me is defiantly a black rat thank you for the info and i guess i will do more research before i get one thank you i did not know that:)
05/07/08  04:53pm

 #1765063


Smiling cobra
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   Message To: Billbert   In reference to Message Id: 1728323


 Corn or Rat Snake?

hey guess i have a baby black rat snake. i believe. i live in michigan and i found it in my yard yesterday. its black with a grey pattern all over it. its about 10 in to a foot long. my biggest question is wat to feed it. would crickets work?
06/18/08  02:19pm

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Wisema2297
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   Message To: Smiling cobra   In reference to Message Id: 1765063


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Sorry, No Message.
06/22/08  01:11am

 #1769246


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Smiling cobra   In reference to Message Id: 1765063


 Corn or Rat Snake?

no crickets....pinky mice frozen or live will work.
06/22/08  01:12am

 #1772596


Drag737
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1673111


 Corn or Rat Snake?

that snake in the pic. you showed looks more like a black albino corn snake than a rat snake but that is just my opinion.
06/24/08  10:06pm

 #1774495


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Drag737   In reference to Message Id: 1772596


 Corn or Rat Snake?

It’s the same snake in every pic (all 4).............as hatchlings black rat snakes superfically resemble anery corn snakes. Remember there are a lot of snakes that look different as hatchlings than they do as adults. Her picture is A LOT different now. She is an almost solid black black rat snake.

If you were to place a black rat hatchling next to an anery corn (black albino corn) you would be able to see a lot of differences.
06/26/08  03:22pm

 #1779414


Angelsmother
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1673111


 Corn or Rat Snake?

The snake pictured looks like my emory rat snake, otherwise called a great plains rat snake. check out pictures elsewhere and compaire, cindi
07/01/08  07:17am

 #1779669


Reptilefreak23
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   Message To: Angelsmother   In reference to Message Id: 1779414


 Corn or Rat Snake?

im getting an emory this week
07/01/08  02:13pm

 #1779801


Reptilefreak23
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   Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1779669


 Corn or Rat Snake?

and catch them in the wild periodicly, they do not look like that, simalar, but different.
They do not have that bold black pigment. But a more reduced grey look
07/01/08  04:08pm

 #1780181


Wisema2297
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   Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1779801


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Angelsmother - you need to google black rat snake hatchlings and compare. The snake pictured’s gravid mother was wild caught here in Virginia.............way out of emori range, not to mention she is jet black. Yes I am very aware of what GPR’s look like. I have 6 of them as well. If you place hatchling GPR’s next to hatchling BR’s then you can see the difference.
07/01/08  11:24pm

 #1780410


Angelsmother
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1780181


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Thanks for the info I will have to check that out. Cindi
07/02/08  10:06am

 #1780430


Angelsmother
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1780181


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Wiseman. I was also refering the the first set of pictures. Not your black rat snake. I can see the resemblence with my snake and the baby black. Thanks again.
07/02/08  10:23am

 #1781994


R_A_TSNAKE
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   Message To: Angelsmother   In reference to Message Id: 1780430


 Corn or Rat Snake?

juvy black’s also closely resemble juvy WFS’.

only wat to tell is to count ventral scutes.

or so ive read.
07/03/08  06:06pm

 #1785796


Wisema2297
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   Message To: R_A_TSNAKE   In reference to Message Id: 1781994


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Angelsmother - the first two pics are pics of the same black rat snake in the later pic. They were taken a year apart to show color change.
07/07/08  02:48pm

 #1786030


Angelsmother
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   Message To: Wisema2297   In reference to Message Id: 1785796


 Corn or Rat Snake?

Thank you wiseman. I appreciate the information. I am amazed at the change in color change. I am a very novice snake person as you can see. I am following along to learn all I can. Thanks again. Cindi
07/07/08  06:09pm


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