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#2040600 Joey johnson View Profile	Anyone want a baby blue tongue? I have 3 left I am trying to re-home. they are captive bred and were born on May 27th, already approaching 12" TL. if anyone is interested please e-mail me and i will send pics thanks
07/16/09  07:28pm
#2040616 DGN Reptiles View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040600  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? What locality are they?
07/16/09  08:12pm
#2040881 Joey johnson View Profile	Message To: DGN Reptiles   In reference to Message Id: 2040616  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? the mother is a northern and father an irian Jaya.
07/17/09  02:07pm
#2041538 HerpsinIN View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040881  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? Great more hybrids! Atleast you tell people what they are. Hopefully they wont be bred again.
07/19/09  08:56am
#2041666 Joey johnson View Profile	Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2041538  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? WOW! breeding hybrids is horrible! I should be jailed for such an act against nature. These arguments against breeding I feel are a bit ridiculous. Why is it such a crime with bluetongues? not to mention the Irian Jaya is undiscribed and are probably a "natural hybrid". In my personal opinion these "Unnatural" hybrids are some of the best looking BTS’s I have seen. Please if you have a reasonable reason why hybrids are bad please explain it. If you quote anything from or bring up an argument from bluetongueskink.net against hybrids don’t bother. I think that site is by far the best BTS site around but I completely disagree with the hybrid argument. I have not decided if i want to them breed again. This is the second time I have bred them and can not guarantee it is the last. I am sure i have offended some people(maybe alot). I just don’t get why it is so bad
07/19/09  02:53pm
#2041682 HerpsinIN View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2041666  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? Quote: botton line, if the Northern Bluetongue skink is put on the endangered species list it would be a bad idea. if there were one northern and one irian jaya left, you tell me would it be a good idea to breed? That quote is from your post in another topic. I felt that it should be discussed here than to take that post and turn it off topic. In your first sentence you mention that it would be bad to breed a northern to a different species if it was on the endangered species list. How is that any different that what the current situation is today? Australia has closed their border to any importing and exporting of animals. We can no longer get any more northerns from Australia. Basically you are helping make the Northern bloodline extinct in the US, which from what you said above, you think is a bad idea. So why are you breeding them? I have no idea what your point is about the IJ being undescribed? What does that have to do with anything we are talking about? It all boils down to me enjoying the different species of BTS. I do not want to have a "blue tongue skink". I want a Kei Island BTS, or a Northern. These hybrids maybe nice looking now, however, once all the bloodlines are tainted, they are all going to look VERY similar to each other. I enjoy the differences between the northerns and the indos, etc.
07/19/09  03:27pm
#2041692 Joey johnson View Profile	Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2041682  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? ok, i get enjoying the species for what they are, northern being a norther ect.. I know the border is closed to new imports but what is the currnet population of breeding northerns and other pures? While there is not a huge market for these animals to be sold anyway. The breeders you mentioned alone have a good stock of pure animals. HAs there been any study or do you have any numbers on how few the breeding stock is in the U.S.. it seems to me every year there are more pure northerns than can be sold. The Irian Jaya being undescribed by science refers to it being considered by science as undescribed. Basically they don’t know what to classify it as yet. i have read that it is thought to be a natural hybrid between northerns and another sub species. I have also read that if you breed anything with an Irian Jaya it will always look like an irian Jaya. My babies look more like an orange northern, which suggests that the northern/irian jaya hybrid theory holds true, and irian jayas are just some offspring of northerns anyway. Honestly I probably will not breed these two again, but i am thinking of breeding for size which may included hybrids. i am keeping one back from these babies because he is huge, almost 7 1/2 inches at birth. 13" in less than 2 months. he is also bigger/bulkier than the others. I am hoping he keeps growing and gets huge, then i would like to find another really big female to breed. I would like to see what a few generations of breeding for size will produce.
07/19/09  03:45pm
#2041714 HerpsinIN View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2041692  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? I know about the IJ being undescribed. That was not what I was asking. You say that you have read when you breed IJ to another species, the offspring appear IJ. Then in the next sentence you state that yours appeared more Northern. How does that suggest that the northern/ij hybrid theory holds true? you have one generation that you did the breeding!!! Plus you contradict yourself since your offspring did not appear IJ like you said they should? Why would you breed for size? Usually, the larger the animal is the short its life span is. Think about Great danes and mastiffs. They have an average life span of what..6-8 years? Then look at the yorkie 12-14years? Look at the extremely tall humans that are born. They usually dont live near as long as average height people do. I cant say that your "huge" blueys your are wanting to try to breed are not going to live as long as an average sized bluey, but why take the risk? If you want something larger, get a monitor.
07/19/09  04:12pm
#2041821 Joey johnson View Profile	Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 2041714  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? The Irian Jaya undescibed thing. i did a bad job of what i was trying to say i think. I "read" that breeding IJ with anything will produce an animal that "always looks"IJ. this is hard to put into words.... what I am getting at is that my IJ Probably has Northern genes to produce northern looking babies if the IJ always passes the dominant gene. this may be due to hybrids in his past, i don’t know! once again this was not well written but you might get the idea i am trying to get across. The large size issue LABS live a long time, I know three right now that are 14-17 years old. I thought that was impossible with large dogs until i witnessed it. The 17 year old was put to sleep about 2 weeks ago. You probably should not use dogs as a comparison in a conversation about hybrids and breeding the bluetongues. the large lizard issue and getting a big one. I know there are big lizards that get that way without breeding but I would just like to see if it is possible to consistantly produce BTS that get 24" plus. would it be a bad thing thing if i was going for a specific color trait and then really diminished the genes through incest. this is just a personal interest of mine. Would it be bad if i were trying to breed for a small size? since they should live longer? I could try and produce northern pures that stay under 15 inches. they would be pure, freaks but pure. I don’t understand why that is a bad thing to do, is it horrible what has been done with geckos and snakes and bearded dragons and some tegus and monitors. people breed for specific traits in all these animals. the whole reason we have dogs is because of cross breeding and hybrids.
07/19/09  07:37pm
#2042370 HerpsinIN View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2041821  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? Quote: The large size issue LABS live a long time, I know three right now that are 14-17 years old. I thought that was impossible with large dogs until i witnessed it. The 17 year old was put to sleep about 2 weeks ago. You probably should not use dogs as a comparison in a conversation about hybrids and breeding the bluetongues. Those are not the AVERAGE ages for a lab. I think using dogs as an example in this case makes perfect sense. Its one species where size usually is a factor is the life span of the species. Same with my human example. The whole reason we have the different BREEDS of dogs (not species, they are all one species) is due to selective breeding.
07/20/09  06:58pm
#2086526 Skink boy 2734 View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040600  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? where r u located call 6144063363
10/20/09  06:28pm
#2086562 Rokdog View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040600  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? I"m interested in one of your bbt’s. I live in
10/20/09  07:29pm
#2102771 Skink boy 2734 View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040600  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? hey please reply back just wanting to add 2 my bts collection
12/08/09  08:22pm
#2264931 Brit8908 View Profile	Message To: Joey johnson   In reference to Message Id: 2040600  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? Do u still have any babies left? How much for it and shipping, I live in Louisiana?
05/01/12  12:20pm
#2265127 Anotherman View Profile	Message To: Brit8908   In reference to Message Id: 2264931  Anyone want a baby blue tongue? This thread is three years old. Please don’t revive old threads.
05/02/12  10:28pm

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