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 #1732182


Paintyourworld
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 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Okay so I was at a reptile expo yesterday and I did something really bad. I bought a baby sulcata. I do know better than to buy and animal that I don’t know much about , but it was so cute. I do Know they get huge, but that’s okay because I have a huge yard. I have had lizzards, but never a tortose. When I brought him home I put him in a 20 gal fishtank, and he spent most of his time inside of his shell, but since then I have moved him into a rubbermaid container that I covered the sides with dark paper and he has not been in his shell since and is walking around and exploring. I do have a few questions.
What is the best light for them With my lizzards I usually use the reptisun 10.0 is that a good light for them?
What are the best foods for them. Today I made him a salad with carrots collard greens and Kale but I read somewhere that they need hay what type of hay is best for them?
Also what is the best substrate for them. Right now he has reptile carpetbecause I don’t know what to pu it the cage and As I am with my lizzards I am scared to death of impaction, but I know that they like to dig. I tried putting some sort of particle substrate so he could dig, but as soon as I put it in there he decided it looked good to eat.
All suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated.



05/11/08  05:50pm

 #1732268


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Paintyourworld   In reference to Message Id: 1732182


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

1. need water bowl
2. you already have the 10.0 reptisun
3. Bedabeast or 50/50 pot soil play sand mix
4. diet

- 70 percent grasses and weeds....
(Orchard grass or hay:Timothy or Bermuda grass or hay:
Leafy greens : (dandelions, clover, endive, grape leaves, mulberry leaves, weeds etc.)
Cactus pads ,not alfalfa... to much protien).... High fiber low protien diet


- African Spurred tortoise cannot tolerate wet conditions. If sand is used in the substrate this area should also not have food placed directly upon it as the sand can build up in the tortoises GI tract leading to possible impaction and even death. A completely separate sand-free area in the habitat should be utilized to feed.

- Romain lettuce green leaf and red leaf lettuce may be given as a treat (accasionally)

- Things to avoid

.All fruit (although fruit is often recommended, its sugar content can lead
to parasite blooms....just not worth it) the exception is apples due to the high quantity of pectin....but still not frequently.
Iceberg lettuce
Bok Choy
All grains (including bread, pasta etc)
Dog and cat food
Meat

Pellet type foods (An often overlooked factor of pyramiding is grain based diets. These are the pellet food that some claim to be essential to health. They typically contain soy, wheat and or rice. These are high in omega 6 fatty acids which has a negative effect on health. They also have an acidifying effect which causes a leaching of bone. They are high in phytate which binds calcium and other minerals. They also have an unfavorable ca/ph ratio and a low ca/mg ratio which has a negative impact on calcium metabolism. Grains alter Vit D metabolism. Diets high in grains can have a negative impact on bone growth in spite of adequate exposure to sunshine.

- The water dish in the habitat should be large enough to allow the tortoise to soak in if it wishes, it must also be shallow enough to allow easy exit to protect from drowning. For larger tortoises photographic developing trays work well for this purpose.


- sulcata fed on cat or dog foods frequently die from renal failure or from impacted bladder stones of solidified urates. Avoid over reliance upon ’supermarket’ greens and fruits, which typically contain inadequate fiber levels, excessive pesticide residues and are too rich in sugar and should be avoided. African Spurred tortoises are a grazing species; every effort should be made to duplicate this diet in captivity. Fruit should be offered very rarely or not at all as the Spurred Tortoise’s digestive system is not equipped to handle high sugar content foods.


- Dust food in Repcal calcium d3 supplement on tortoises food 3 times a week


- Medical Issues:

While in general, individuals of this species are extremely healthy, there is a wide array of medical conditions that can arise.

First and foremost, proper husbandry is a must with the species. Moderate to severe shell pyramiding from an improper diet is seen in a large majority of juvenile sulcata. While it may not "feel" right to feed items such as grass hays and weeds, this is what thousands of years of evolution have designed the gastrointestinal tracts of these animals to do. A second dietary problem that is often seen is diarrhea. With bulky, high fiber, low "quality" feeds, solid GI health can be maintained and healthy, bulky stools formed. Easily digestible foods can lead to diarrhea, dehydration, weight loss, and even intestinal prolapse .



- He will outgrow your 20 gal remarkably fast so get ready.

- outdour grazing is required and a outdoor cage as well
(4 hours of natural sunlight is worth about 7-9 hours on your 10.o)


- OUTDOOR HOUSING - Predator proof outdoor habitats offer many advantages over indoor accommodations and should seriously be considered as an option during warm weather. In particular because of their large size and grazing habits African Spurred tortoises should be kept out of doors when the climate allows if at all possible.

- Also indoor housing needs to have a warmer side and a cooler side (cooler at 70-75 degrease and warmer at around or above 80 degrease....... also need to have dark hiding spot on cool side)


Hope this helps! Have Fun with your baby!


Ps. ( on warm side... make sure there is nothing that it can flip over on. If it does she will bake and have SEVERE burns if under basking lamp)


Good Luck!



05/11/08  07:12pm

 #1732363


Paintyourworld
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1732268


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Wow thanks that was alot of really great info! one more question though is how often to feed them and how much since I read that over feeding and under feeding can both cause pyramiding.



05/11/08  08:36pm

 #1732413


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Paintyourworld   In reference to Message Id: 1732363


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Well its protein that causes pyramiding.....but as for the feeding

Get a small 2-3 inch food bowl... fill it almost up (not over top) and what he doesnt eat you through out.


Good Luck!



05/11/08  09:06pm

 #1732780


RepticTay
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1732413


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

www.africantortoise.com



05/12/08  09:59am

 #1734466


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: RepticTay   In reference to Message Id: 1732780


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Hope he turns out good!



05/13/08  07:37pm

 #1736498


Qw23e
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1734466


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Hey guys sorry i havent been on lately but nice job and hope ur tort does well and sounds like u are doin good. Nate =D



05/15/08  05:39pm

 #1736760


Steelersman96
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  Message To: Qw23e   In reference to Message Id: 1736498


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

i got a russian tort and im so happy he is 4 in long



05/15/08  09:18pm

 #1741946


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Steelersman96   In reference to Message Id: 1736760


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

ok..... that was random..... but I hope it does good with you!



05/20/08  11:55pm

 #1742132


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1741946


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

my russian is so awsome wat should i name her?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



05/21/08  08:43am

 #1742167


Reptilefreak23
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  Message To: Steelersman96   In reference to Message Id: 1736760


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

That was random.... but I hope he does well!



05/21/08  10:02am

 #1747851


Amphibiandude
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  Message To: Reptilefreak23   In reference to Message Id: 1742167


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

she



05/27/08  08:42am

 #1748179


RepticTay
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  Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1747851


 Theres a reason I shouldnt be allowed at reptile expos

Name he or she in a seperat etopic of your own.



05/27/08  03:53pm


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