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#1590622
MacinMan
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Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks! 
hey guys, I’m just curious as to what TOO MUCH is, when i’ve read about White’s tree frogs who have gotten sick, and start to soak, so I don’t think wrongly of my own. The reason I ask is simply this. My White’s don’t seem to care for the water dish i bought them for some reason, instead they enjoy the bottom basin of the Medium sized exo-terra waterfall I have, One in particular loves to get in there and peek out for quite a bit at night, mind you the water isn’t deep in the bottom it runs in, so he may stay in there simply for the feeling of running water on his skin, and he only does it at night, durring the day he sleeps normally, and even not all night does he do this. and if i turn a flash light on him. (just to check health) he gets out and hides, which is a good sign, I seriously doubt there is anything wrong, I’ve been one who has had good success with frogs, both wild caught, and now store bought, I just wanted to double check against, reports i’ve read here as soaking frogs is a sigh of something. (or could be.) anyway thanks guys!
Clint
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01/23/08 12:16am
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#1590638
MacinMan
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1590622
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Also, is it common for young White’s to round up at different ages? for example both my frogs are looking in Good health, and I really don’t have too many concerns currently, other then the ones here i’ve asked about health. I’m just curious though, while smaller, due to being young frogs, one has the traditional round dumpy face really starting to develop, the one who loves to sit and play in the water at times, is also fat but seems to have a more pointed face right now, e.g. his face hasn’t fattened up yet like his rest of the body is starting too, also I understand that males can be smaller then females, and this smaller one does the most protesting and pulsating of the body when touched or handled, so do females fatten faster then males? they both eat well and are active. they could also be different ages as well. Please Comment thanks!
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01/23/08 12:32am
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#1590744
Whitie
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1590638
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
It sounds to me, your frogs are very normal.
You stated they were young, but not how old they are. I would not be concerned about them.
Can you show us a pic of them?
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01/23/08 07:28am
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#1590758
MacinMan
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Message To: Whitie In reference to Message Id: 1590744
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Hi Whitie, or anyone who gets here first, here are a couple of Pictures of one of my young white’s sunning himself in the 10 gal tank I had before i got the 29 gal, please excuse the lighting it’s a combination of the camera flash and the heat lamp, didn’t want too much light so they’d be disturbed.
I will get better pictures, however i will take them out of the tank and have them pose on something when they’re naturally awake to get better pics, i’m not good with tank shots currently.
Back view.
side view
Thanks so much!
Clint
P.S. I have no idea how hold these guys are, i’m estimating only a couple months or so, they croak every now and then, but it’s quiet, but enough to show they’re male, but nothing consitant yet. if that helps, also keep in mind these pictures may make the frogs look bigger then they are, i’ve noticed that about frogs and photography.
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01/23/08 08:03am
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#1590815
Ahoppinmom
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1590758
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
They look/sound healthy to me, but i’m new at wtf ownership:). I purchased 3 wtf’s from a store that did not know that they were sick w/ redleg. (I found out a couple of days after purchase when they died). anyway, when they started to show signs of illness, they soaked ALL day, didn’t try to hide, eat, nothing...just stayed in the water. Yours looks pretty good.
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01/23/08 09:40am
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#1590961
Hoppy
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Message To: Ahoppinmom In reference to Message Id: 1590815
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Soaking time length is never an issue if the frog doesn’t bloat up like a balloon.. Most will swell some which is normal as they absorb the water. Another concern is if they sit in water all day in bright light. You may catch your frog in the water for awhile in the am or even an afternoon dip but it shouldn’t be an all day thing. Night is different with them staying in very long periods..
Many ill frogs like with red leg or other ailment try desperately to rid themselves of toxins so will soak for long lengths. Each is different though as some just stay on glass and do nothing... Instinct rules them mostly to each ailment and their way of trying to rid it...
Your frogs staying in the waterfall is because this water is fresher as its churned so more oxygenated. Still pond water gets oxygen from rain or run off or even small streams underneath the water level. If no other water is offered they would pick the dish... So this is of no concern. It also tells you that you have plenty of water if you need to be away for a day or two....
The best way with Whites to tell if normal is food. Food is the key so they should show a good appetite once settled in from the initial transport shock etc...
Insure your temps are 85f. Your temp guage should be 1/2 way up the glass on the side or back of tank on the warm side. (Heat lighting should be on one side. There should be a warm and cool side to your tank. Insure water is on cool side. Flourescent lights are fine centered as they don’t heat).
This is just a thought because if soaking during the day it can mean too much heat on the substrate. Generally the substrate temp should be 70 to 75 range so they can move up if warmth needed....
HOPPY
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01/23/08 01:09pm
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#1591389
Rrrragdoll
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Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1590961
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Also make sure you are treating the water, if it is not dechlorinated it can have the opposite effect (drying out).
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01/23/08 06:42pm
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#1612035
MacinMan
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Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1591389
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Hi, I haven’t posted to this for a while, but after re reading my posts and answers here I just wanted to revisit the water issue, after removing the waterfall for safety reasons. My Frogs still seem to love the water a lot at night, every time, i’m up for the bathroom, or whatever and check on them, at least 1 is in a dish of water. the only thing I can think of is when I spray, because I have screen the humidity from the spray doesn’t stay long, but the dishes retain water ok, I do treat the water now with drops. I was going to look for bigger leaf plants then the vines. to maybe give them something more to sit on then just wood or dirt. I did notice a stool smell, but only the stools in the water had a noticeable smell so i thought maybe it smelled more since it was wet. but at the same time it wasn’t overly strong. One thing I noticed is and maybe that’s another reason the frogs sit in the water, the crickets like to be around the water it seems, so I wonder if the frogs have learned "if i stay in the dish, i can get food easy" anyway I just wanted to post again and see if i need to take any action here, as you know i got a thermometer, and it’s a constant temp range, never below 75. i spray twice a day change the water every other day to once a week, depending on badly they mess in it for those who live in Australia, how much do these frogs dip in the water, in the wild? anyway, i’m sleepy and my thoughts aren’t clear anymore so I hope someone can make sense of this.
Clint
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02/06/08 03:30am
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#1612371
Hoppy
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1612035
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Just a note Clint...
Change your water daily or every other day at most.... Though it may look clean, water with no aeration goes stagnant in a heated envioronment causing bacteria to grow... This can make your frogs ill....
Whites spend a great deal of time in the water at night...wild and pet.....
HOPPY
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02/06/08 01:15pm
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#1612493
MacinMan
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Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1612371
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Hoppy, ahead of you there :) they poop in the water too much to let it sit any longer then that. so my water is usually changed every day to once every other day to once a week at most. I also bought some additions to the tank today. big leaf fake plants a 5.0 bulb which isn’t as bright so maybe won’t make them scatter as much when i turn it on to observe them above the moon bulb. so, i have the 2.0 full spectrum as a back up now also i accidently spilled some of the calcium feed in the tank for the crickets but it mixed in with the bedding is it safe to assume that if the frogs came in contact directly it wouldn’t hurt them? since they get it anyway through the crickets? it’s very fine so nothing should get stuck. and it’s soft not like sand, where it could mess up the frog’s insides. so as always let me know if you have comments and the froggies seem happy after the cage change, I know people have different opinions, but I really think my frogs like me like to get out of the house at times. it really seems to perk them up and they turn a nice shade of green and all around brighten up. So I think they’ve adapted quite well to my life . I know smaller frogs may stress easy, but the two white’s i have now don’t seem to care. they just act themselves.
Clint.
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02/06/08 03:08pm
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#1613669
Hoppy
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1612493
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
The calcium powder is fine and shouldn’t cause any ill effects. Not to worry there...
Clint you still stated with the water "every day to once every second day to once a week at most"
Its the "Once a week at most" which is of concern.... Don’t leave it this long ok? I travel often for a few days so for example: I change water Friday night and again Sunday upon my return.. Max. a long weekend they would get changed Monday... Any longer and an alternate way would have to be looked at..
Every owner likes to think their frogs are happy and settled. We all want this, but keep in mind that frogs will not show dislike only illness which they will harbour internally until they cannot hide it any further.. I am by all means not saying yours are ill Clint. Just saying that handling newly acquired frogs should be to a minimal....Even later it should be done only as a feeding ritual..
Some frogs that act extremely tame are ill frogs. Countless times frogs will follow an owner around a tank mistaken for tame only to find out that there is an issue in their envioronment... So be cautious..
HOPPY
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02/07/08 08:27am
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#1613684
MacinMan
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Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1613669
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
That’s why I wanted to check with a vet first before following online advice, as you can’t see and handle the frogs, to make sure, but the trouble is I still haven’t come in contact with a herp vet that’s close, or even know a price range, just for a frog’s office visit. But I’ll definitely post, when I’ve found one, and what he or she says.
Thanks, for the advice, and yes the water for the most part is done every other day, they dirty it to quick to let it go any longer, when I had the fountain in there, I never changed it, just refilled it as it was always moving anyway I’ll keep you posted with progress as always. Thanks
Clint
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02/07/08 09:01am
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#1613693
MacinMan
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1613684
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
I’m mainly talking about whether my frogs are sick or not, not basic care instructions. as far as my water goes, the changing lately has averaged between every other day to every two days. keep in mind I also spray the water dishes when i spray the tank, to produce movement, so the water doesn’t stagnate as easy, I’ve done this even before the concern was expressed.
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02/07/08 09:24am
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#1613803
Hoppy
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1613693
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Sick whites generally don’t eat....
Its actually better to leave well alone if they seem fine. A vet cannot tell anymore on a frog if its harbouring illness. If the frog is under weight (bones showing/skinny) etc then its different. For the most part the travel to the vet could make them sick... Frogs do not travel well nor like changes in envioronment etc so in turn causes stress. Stress can bring about illness by allowing an overload of natural parasites. On top of that chills, changes in temp etc can also bring alternate issues.....Not worth upsetting the frogs if they seem happy....
As for the vet cost....its usually a herp vet and here its $50 a vet check then meds etc on top. Most that have taken a frog here to a vet that needed meds paid 100 and upwards.. (Canada)..
HOPPY
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02/07/08 12:02pm
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#1613815
MacinMan
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Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1613803
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
Good deal hoppy, those are my thoughts exactly about frog care even with the little i do move them they eat fine and they are growing fast. and fat. In fact, i may have miss sexed them, the fatter they get the looser the skin becomes on the throat and the darker it’s getting so based on what has been said here I may in deed have two very healthy boyx but time will make it sure the odd thing is, it’s not a orange dark like yours, it’s more of a grey dark to off white, and it depends on the light. hoppy, is there a chance of you having a picture of a female and male side by side, that I can use to compare as these frogs grow older? I’ve tried google images and havent been so lucky thanks.
Clint
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02/07/08 12:19pm
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#1613828
MacinMan
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1613815
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
also, is there anyway to put a frog on a scale to see how much it should weigh and how much it does weigh? I know other animals can be weighed, just wondered if a frog can use a special small scale, or is there no real need for it and weight is only dtermined by appearence? as far as a picture of adult frogs to compare I have one I downloaded a while ago of two frogs that are probably a couple the one in the back has a big baggy throat, the color mine are turning the one in front has no baggy throat, or it could be how the frog is sitting, as well that it’s not showing, but the yes and face look girlie,, so i asused by that its a male and female I could post it here when I get home for people to see, if thats the case, i’ll just use this pic to compare as my frogs grow.
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02/07/08 12:35pm
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#1614012
Tyler G
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Message To: MacinMan In reference to Message Id: 1613828
Please Define Sitting in the water too much for a white’s tree frog Thanks!
i actually have the same question... my full grown whites is sitting in his water bowl 24/7, what does this mean?????
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02/07/08 03:17pm
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