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Just got my WTF and Need Help
I just bought my 2 WTF 2 days ago. At first they were fine and really cool. I placed them in the water dish in my tank and they sprung out of it and onto my arm. I finally got them to get off of my arm, and they hung around for a while, and then went in to their sleeping cave. At first, pickles, (smaller green frog) didn’t go in the cave and just fell asleep in a little hideout. However, last night, he did go into his cave. Lights go out in my viv at 8p.m. and I was waiting for them to come out, but it never ended up happening. I saw pickles out again, but olive (larger olive colored frog, possibly female) wont leave her cave. I know they were out while I was sleeping because the water has a lot of dirt in it. Anyway, it seems that even the smallest amount of light is enough for them to think it is daylight. Now on to my questions. First, they are moderately sized, olive being much larger than pickles. I would say pickles is about 3 inches from nose to vent and olive is 4, but fatter too. I was told by the store clerk that they should eat about a dozen large crickets every other day. I dropped a dozen right into their tank while they were sleeping, and 2 days later, there is still 1 cricket left, and thats just the one I can see, I am sure there are more hiding somewhere. Is pickles too small to be eating large crickets? or should I just feed them less? or am I over reacting? haha. Assistance would be great ASAP since I should be feeding them again today. |
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| 06/20/08 09:46am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: G124v17y In reference to Message Id: 1767309 Just got my WTF and Need Help
First most frogs take a good month to settle into a new envioronment so its not unusual for them to hide right now. 2nd: NOt all frogs will venture out in front of the owners even if you have lights out early even once settled... Some can be very secretive and never seen while others become very tame... Best thing here is too keep things to a routine to encourage trust... 3rd... Size difference is ok as long as within an inch...so should be ok. The main concern is to make sure both are eating.. And that one frog cannot fit the other into their mouth.. Do you know how old they are? Or if they are young? They sound sub-adult which is around the 2 to 3 inch in whites 6 to 8 months... 4th: An assortment of cricket size like 1/2 inch and up should be offered not just large... They don’t always find all crickets .. As they are new they may not know all the hiding spots the crickets use yet so give it time... Insure there is food for the crix in the tank like fish flakes so they stay gutloaded (healthy and nutricious). 5: Your temps should be monitored by guage and humdity as well... They need 85f for day and no lower than 75f temps nights.. Humidity should be 50-60%. Timers are best and day and night lights.... There is many things members can tell you. you could try posting a pic on here so members can correct any issues that might be of concern.. Right now they need to settle in so try to leave them alone for at least the first week without constantly peeking into their tank (hard to resist I know). You can look but don’t lift up caves or anything like that or move deco... Just observe from a distance if you can.... After awhile they will know you mean food... HOPPY |
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| 06/20/08 10:29am |
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MacinMan View Profile |
Message To: G124v17y In reference to Message Id: 1767309 Just got my WTF and Need Help
remember, Whites (like most frogs) are nocturnal, this means they are active at night. As stated above, new frogs do take a while to settle in (a month), though some may settle sooner. Also as stated don’t poke around in the tank unless you have to, this will reduce stress. Something that has worked well for me. with frogs in general is, they seem to stress less if you respect their habits. For example: here are some of the things I’ve done and it also seems to help with new frogs as well. 1. buy or make a nice tank background for the tank, that covers the back and two sides, this will leave the front open for viewing and help the frogs feel more secure. 2. I would recommend feeding at night, and only putting crickets in the tank during feeding time. Also recently, I have found a tank misting or fogging right after lights out also increases night activity greatly!. Here is why I have chosen the feeding scheme I have: First off, it matches their natural clock in the wild. second, it reduces the amount of dead crickets and mess from food in the tank. 3rd: it shows you how many crickets are eaten, if you only put crickets in the tank for feeding and reduces the risk even more of crickets taking a bite out of the frog(s). I usually turn the lights off wait about 15 minutes put 5 to 10 crickets in a baggy and pour them in after the frogs are awake, I ALWAYS see the crickets being eaten, this way. According to a book called "Tree Frogs" I have the author states that a common reason for remaining crickets after a few hours, is over feeding. so i have adjusted my care based on the guidelines given in this book. As far as the misting/fogging before feeding, this is optional However, in the wild frogs love when it rains and become very active (especially during breeding ) As a rule, regular misting is required to keep the humidity constant in the tank. However, I have found doing it before feeding at night, gets a Nice response from the frogs, both in activity and in eating desires. Here is a link to a post I have on some safe guidelines on using an exo terra fogger with your frogs. Fogger guidelines |
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| 06/20/08 11:11am |
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G124v17y View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1767358 Just got my WTF and Need Help
Thanks, Sam P.S. My temp stays about 72-75 on the side where water is during the day, but where they sleep (the cave) I have an under-tank heater so they stay about 84. The cave stays the same temp all the time, and when they wake up and come out at night the rest of the tank is about 72-75. Humidity stays above 50% at all times with my fogger set up right now. |
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| 06/20/08 11:28am |
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G124v17y View Profile |
Message To: G124v17y In reference to Message Id: 1767399 Just got my WTF and Need Help
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| 06/20/08 11:30am |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: G124v17y In reference to Message Id: 1767401 Just got my WTF and Need Help
Anyways at least the store told you the correct amount to feed, too many either don’t tell or say much less. I would agree with not using Large unless they are "small" larges. Real Large crickets have a hard shell and that can be an issue. So just check to see if they have that hard shell. I usually feed my red eyes by waiting for the lights to go out (on timer) and then misting heavily, then wait ten minutes and dump in the crickets. (Make sure you dust every other feeding to once a week.) They tend to pick up on the schedule. What substrate are you using? Sometimes the crickets hide in things like bark (not recommended) or fluffed up EcoEarth. I pack mine down. The privacy issue is a good idea. I just tape up paper bags, then after a couple weeks you can take the front one down. |
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| 06/20/08 01:13pm |
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Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1767519 Just got my WTF and Need Help
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