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 #1832899


Jboogy23
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 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

i have a custom 100 gallon vert viv that i am going to set up and i wanted to get your guys take on putting these frogs together. thanks for your time.



08/16/08  02:15pm

 #1832914


Kandace
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   Message To: Jboogy23   In reference to Message Id: 1832899


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

well i have had people tell me its not a good idea to put different frogs together, but id if tank size has anything to do with it or not... but just wait and see what every1 els tells you b4 you do so alrighty!!

good luck with the frogs..

- kandace
08/16/08  02:34pm

 #1832945


Froggy&Gribbit
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   Message To: Jboogy23   In reference to Message Id: 1832899


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

bad idea recreating a natural environment is near impossible. You are going to cause undue stress on the animals and you will loose most of your collection. There is a good post about it I’ll bump it for you.
08/16/08  03:07pm

 #1833026


Rainforest
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   Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1832945


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

I, personally, have had a good amount of success. People always say, "Yeah, I’ve read so much and I know everything about why not to do it" but what’s a better teacher then experience?

In that large of a tank, IMO, it’ll be just fine. I have animals mating in my mixed tank. They’re eating well and active and look perfectly happy.

Now here comes the part where you yell at me and tell me I don’t know if they’re stressed, but I think I do know. If they were stressed, they would be hiding a lot, not eating very much, and would eventually die. I’m proud to say nothing has died in a very long time.

Now here comes the part where you yell at me and bash me or whatever. I know the tree frog forum is nice and all, but this is obviously frowned upon. I won’t blame anyone for yelling at me, but I believe being open minded and trying new things gives good experience, you learn a lot from it, and has a bunch of benefits. Being close minded really isn’t too much fun. I’m not going to follow some exact care sheet if I think I have a better way of doing things.

My opinion, guys. I think I’m allowed to have this one just like everyone else is allowed to have the opinion that it’s a bad idea.

Just my two cents
08/16/08  04:50pm

 #1833042


Jboogy23
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1833026


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

thanks man!! I appriciate the honesty, i have mixed wtf and green tf andf they did fine, i had to shut down my collection due to limited space but i have the room and i want to get back into it but all i have read on this forum is do not mix species which i agee to a certain extent. i agree you do not mix tree frogs with bull frogs, salamanders with toads, etc. but i have had sucess with mixing tree frog species before and had no problems. i also give them plenty of space to roam free. i am new to this forum and i am open to everybody opinion. At this point right now i am getting the viv ready for some new residence. i like to many to just put in one kind of treefrog. red eyes are by far my fav but i would like to put a veriety, what do you think?



08/16/08  05:05pm

 #1833077


Rainforest
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   Message To: Jboogy23   In reference to Message Id: 1833042


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

I’ve tried many things.

I’ve found that small toads, tree frogs, and small terrestrial salamanders live together in perfect harmony. Honestly, I’m tried an anole with a couple things, but it’s kind of hard, so I’d say no on those.

Anyways, that’s my take. mixing species of tree frogs, IMO, is perfectly fine as long as they’re close to the same size and not highly toxic.
08/16/08  06:00pm

 #1833091


Rainforest
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1833077


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

And they also need to have similar temperature and humidity requirements.
08/16/08  06:07pm

 #1833522


Rrrragdoll
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1833091


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

You should really at least read through the mixing thread that was bumped up.

I would say no. 100 gal is not that big in the big perspective of things and these animals would never live in this close range of each other. Not to mention parasites etc.

Red eyes are really hard enough to keep alive without trying to purposely stress them with other animals running around. They stress very easily and many die within the first month, that is even with perfect conditions.

Also recall the 10+10 rule. 10 gal first frog + 10 each additional (20gal+10 for whites and other large frogs) That is a minimum. So even with smaller frogs, the minimum rule would put you at 10 frogs and that is with the minimum space which is something I’d never do. I have 2 in a 29 and wouldn’t put more in there.

You could just get red eyes and get normals and albinos for variety. But honestly with red eyes you rarely see them. I think you’re far better off creating a beautiful and colorful tank by use of plants and then occasionally see a frog.
08/17/08  01:03am

 #1833787


Amphibiandude
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   Message To: Rrrragdoll   In reference to Message Id: 1833522


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

no dont mix pecies unless you get the tank perfect wich is almost imposible sooo its a bad idea
08/17/08  11:43am

 #1833801


Rainforest
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   Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1833787


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

I find it interesting that people say it’s a bad idea just because they read about it.

Again, there’s no better teacher then experience.

if you haven’t tried it, why say it’s a definite no? How do you know it’s a problem if your mind isn’t open enough to try it?

Yeah, everyone can have an opinion, but this is mine.
08/17/08  12:00pm

 #1833868


Jboogy23
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1833801


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

i agree with you rainforest! i am new to this forum and that all i read about is NEVER MIX!!! crazy, since i have done it before and everything was fine, i have grey tf with wtf, i even had a tomatoe roamin the bottom and they were all in sweet bliss!! anyways i appriciate everyones input on this matter. i am no novice when it comes to tree frogs. I am working on my set up as we type and getting ready to cycle it for 2 weeks before it gets any new tf. what i have noticed the most on this forum is that everyone gets the frog first before they set the tank up. when they should be getting the tank first then set it up and learn how to control the temp and humidity before putting the frogs on that rollercoaster.

Anyways thanks again for all your feed back. i will keep you all informed on how it goes, i will get pics up of the set up when its up and running.

Jboogy out!!
08/17/08  01:12pm

 #1834010


Froggy&Gribbit
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1833801


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

Rainforest yes there is something to be said about experience but it is not the be all and end all since what little experience you have had in the grand scheme of things is really irrelevant to scientific data.
Now I could tell that drinking a coffee sweetened with arsenic is not a good idea and in fact could very well kill you. But I have have never done this. I do know from research and scientific evidence (that does include people doing such things) that this is dangerous........... My guess is that you wouldn’t be silly enough to use yourself as the subject of your own learning to see if in fact the arsenic doesn’t kill you.................
Now this example is not as far fetched and different from what you are suggesting people do........ And you have NO scientific eveidence that would stand up in any study to back up your claims....... Many more, much more experienced people watching in controlled studies will clearly state that the practice of mixing species of animal that live in different parts of the world, in different ecosystems, in different locations (sometimes just being the top or bottom of a tree) is irresponsible and dangerous. And NEVER to the animals benefit.
But the trial does not risk yourself so it seems ok to use "experience as your teacher" even thought it is against advice of experts.



08/17/08  03:32pm

 #1834030


Rainforest
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   Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1834010


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

And that’s your opinion. I’m allowed to have an opinion as long as I’m not killing or hurting anything. My animals are /mating/. I think they’re okay. The animals I have mixed occupy different parts of the tank and don’t come into contact with each other anyways. They don’t even cross into each others’ area.

I agree that I have no scientific study on mixing them, and yeah, I’m not as experienced as many others. I’m careful when I mix and haven’t lost a single animal yet, nor have they gotten sick.

They’re all eating and seem pretty happy.
08/17/08  03:57pm

 #1834044


Froggy&Gribbit
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834030


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

"The animals I have mixed occupy different parts of the tank and don’t come in contact with each other anyways. They don’t even cross into each others’ area."

that ought to tell you something right there..............
So how small of an area are the animals confined to because of territorial or threat issues?????

Frogs do not "mate" ......... once in water the male will grasp the female in an amplexus grip so that he can spray the eggs with sperm after she lays them.

They will grasp each other in an agressive move and threatening way while on dry land

You keep talking about open minds, I think yours is very closed. You can’t even see objectively enough to see that in fact you are hurting the animals.
08/17/08  04:15pm

 #1834065


Rainforest
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   Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1834044


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

I understand they aren’t mating, I just don’t like writing out amplexus every time.

And no, there are no territorial issues. They rarely do cross each other’s paths because they like to occupy different parts of the tank.

I am not hurting them. They are showing no signs of stress at all. They’re all perfectly happy, colorful, and eating well.

I’ve worked very hard to make this tank work.

Now that I’m just going to get bashed, I’m leaving. I’m not on this forum to argue and fight with people, I’m here for my animals. I’m here to express my opinion and hear other peoples’ opinions.

Rainforest, Signing out
08/17/08  04:49pm

 #1834273


Froggy&Gribbit
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834065


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

oh you have got to be joking??!!!!!!
Mister "I have a right to my opinion" hey??????????
But nobody else has a right to theirs?????
If soneone disagrees they are bashing you!!!
Amazing!!!!!

I think if your argument was strong enough you would not need to defend yourself and pretend that anyone is bashing you because it is clear that this is NOT the case.........

With your way of thinking don’t I have a right to my opinion too?????????
Or is that only if my opinion is the same as yours?? Seems so!!!!
I am not signing off.......... I will continue to come and share ideas and opinions !!!
And solid founded care advice
08/17/08  08:20pm

 #1834280


Jboogy23
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834065


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

I’m right there with you rainforrest! I i just signed up to this forum 2 days ago and i am very disappointed! everybody is so close minded out this. bottom line is if you have the know how then do it!! when i asked this question i was expecting feedback on the best way to do it, not get bashed for even thinking about it!! i guess what all these people are saying is that no where in the world different species of tree frogs have ever crossed another ones path and if they did they would die right there on the spot!! garbage!! you guys are a bunch of jokers!!



08/17/08  08:24pm

 #1834289


Rainforest
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   Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1834273


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

LOL. I said everyone has a right to their opinion, and I will stick to it. You are bashing me.

You’re criticizing me and telling me I’m hurting my animals and I just don’t appreciate it.

I just don’t want to argue because it’s stupid. Arguing doesn’t get anyone anywhere, so I figured I’d get out now.

In my opinion you’re bashing me, so I’m not just going to sit here and argue with you.

You have every right to your opinion as I have to mine, but there’s no need to be rude. In my mind being rude + criticism = bashing

I’m being polite with my opinion. It’s just my opinion, not a fact, so I thought I’d share it. =)
08/17/08  08:30pm

 #1834307


Jboogy23
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834289


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

thanks man!! i appriciate you taking the time to share!!
08/17/08  08:44pm

 #1834387


Amphibiandude
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   Message To: Jboogy23   In reference to Message Id: 1834307


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

tried it did not work out
08/17/08  09:58pm

 #1834392


Rainforest
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   Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1834387


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

Well, hey, it’s workin’ for me. I’ve worked pretty hard to get this tank suitable and seeing as everyone’s healthy, I’d say it’s working.
08/17/08  10:02pm

 #1834411


Jboogy23
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834392


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

thats all that matters man!! keep it up. i will let you know how mine goes!! im gonna put every frog in the world in there!! :) pics soon to come.
08/17/08  10:22pm

 #1834521


Froggy&Gribbit
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834289


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

well I am so very glad that this thread is pretty clear to see through for most who read it........
The information you yourself gave shows to anyone who knows much about amphibian husbandry that it is not "working for your frogs" even if you think it is "working for you".

And that is the key that I think most people (but unfortunately not all) will figure out.



08/17/08  11:58pm

 #1834531


Rainforest
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   Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 1834521


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

LOL. That was such a lame statement. You’re so technical. It is working for my frogs because they’re all healthy and happy.

And did you just call me stupid? ROFLMAO That’s extremely childish.
08/18/08  12:15am

 #1834549


Rrrragdoll
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   Message To: Rainforest   In reference to Message Id: 1834531


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

Rainforest can you describe and more importantly show us with pictures what your tank looks like and what is in it? Also how long have each of the inhabitants been in it? Tank size, temps/humidity etc.

You said "nothing has died in a very long time", how long is that and what died?

I think it is also interesting that you state that things don’t cross paths etc, how is that when they all need access to water unless every species you have has their own pond?

You have been doing this for so long and it works so you should share your findings so we all can learn.




08/18/08  12:56am

 #1834550


Rrrragdoll
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   Message To: Rrrragdoll   In reference to Message Id: 1834549


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

Rainforest, can you post your results in a new thread please.

Sorry to the OP for this getting off your info, again I wouldn’t risk your red eyes, I have them.
08/18/08  12:58am

 #1834830


Amphibiandude
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   Message To: Rrrragdoll   In reference to Message Id: 1834550


 Mix red eyes with tigerleg tf and clown tr?

post pics of the tank if you can



08/18/08  12:04pm


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