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Greenfrog View Profile |
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| 09/29/08 01:27pm |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1870690 NEED RETF HELP!
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| 09/29/08 01:31pm |
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Froggy&Gribbit View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1870690 NEED RETF HELP!
What is his tank like?? These frogs stress very easily. You need to make sure that the temps and humidity are correct. Check the caresheets one is linked on another RETF post. They also need alot of coverage. Leaves to hide amongst and not feel exposed. The frogs need to have 12hours of day and 12 hours of night. So the lights need to go out at night unless you have a moon bulb or infrared. Without 12/12 their internal clocks goes out of wack. They do not like to be handled that will stress them too. If their tank is too small that can stress them. Stress can kill. They will stop eating and die. You need to make sure there is nothing toxic in the tank. All live plants should be washed and planted in soil that has no chemicals or fertilizer etc in it (or ecoearth) Silk/plastic plants need to be dye tested and boiled and plastic branches. Other branches should be of a safe wood and baked or boiled. The hides should be made of a safe material like unpainted terra cotta pots. Water dishes should not be plastic as it breeds bacteria. Water should be treated to remove heavy metals (leaving tap water sit is not good enough) And the water should be changed daily. The suppliment you dust crickets with is a calcium suppliment to avoid Metabolic bone disease which causes deformations of the skeleton due to lack of calcium. But calcium alone is not good enough as the body needs vitamen D3 to absorb calcium so you need to make sure the suppliment contains d3 or get d3 in a seperate supplement. The crickets should be about as long as the distance between the frogs eyes. So there is just some basic stuff to double check. If we have some more info we can help more. So if you can give a run down of what is in the tank how long you have had the frog etc etc we can try to narrow things down. To reduce stress beyond eliminating the cause you can cover 3 sides of the tank with dark craft paper or garbage bags. for a few weeks and keep out of the tank as much as possible. New RETF take a while to settle and often times die from stress within weeks of bringing them home. So it is important to reduce stress. New morphs also do not eat for about a week while they absorb their tail. |
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| 09/29/08 01:51pm |
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Jboogy23 View Profile |
Message To: Froggy&Gribbit In reference to Message Id: 1870707
I have noticed the night i put crickets in they eat a ton, i assume, i never see them eat but they are fat as can be and feces is normal, but they will definetly sleep alot longer than usual for me. my best advise for you is to leave him alone. keep everything normal, dont pick him up whatever you do. if he has been in the same set up for A long time and nothing has bothered him just make sure he has clean water, clean tank and he has calcium and a multivitamin suppliment. in these cases you really have to think, what have you changed if any and when was the last time you cleaned it? Like i said before, mine have waked up during the day sometimes and some have slept through majority of the night till the next night. a great indicator of how your frog is doing is his color, during the day it should be a nice light green almost blueish, they will darken when it gets dark but brighten up during the day. if he is dark during the day then he is stressed about something. bottom line, if the colors good, hes has eaten in the past few days he should be fine. just leave him be. give him a couple nights, if he still is sleepin throught the night and awake during the day then its time to re evaluate your tank! sorry for the rambiling but i know its scary when these guys start acting wierd!  |
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| 09/29/08 06:35pm |
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Whitie View Profile |
Message To: Jboogy23 In reference to Message Id: 1870906 NEED RETF HELP!
But you do need to give more info, if you don’t want to be asked questions. A pic of the frog and the tank would help also. froggy&gribbit asked alot of questions that need to be answered. |
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| 09/29/08 08:15pm |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1870690 NEED RETF HELP!
You don’t need to wake up frogs to feed them. When they are hungry they will get up, without you staring at them, to hunt. They will go days sleeping, especially when in a new situation. These are not a beginner frog unless you have basic knowledge of care and are willing to make sure that their setup is correct long before you put the frogs into it. They stress very easily and die. Your bothering them is not going to help. As for us asking questions, there is no way for us to help you unless we know all that is going on, obviously you don’t have the answers and don’t realize that things you don’t provide make a difference in what you should do. |
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| 09/29/08 10:51pm |
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Jboogy23 View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1871151 NEED RETF HELP!
I am pretty new to this forum but it is great to read about tons of different frogs and different situations!! also great to get feedback on your tank and frog with pictures, if you are looking for just straight facts go to Amphibiancare.com!! i hope i wasnt to harsh man!! |
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| 09/30/08 12:14am |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1871151 NEED RETF HELP!
-Greenfrog |
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| 09/30/08 06:54pm |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1871817 NEED RETF HELP!
-Greenrfog |
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| 09/30/08 07:07pm |
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Jboogy23 View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1871836 NEED RETF HELP!
im glad i could help man, i hope you didnt take my second message the wrong way man, i read alot on this forum about people buying the frog then trying to figure out what to do with them. No worries, if you have him in a 10 gallon you should think about taking him out and turning the 10 gallon to a vertical to give him more room to climb. i have a 50 gallon tall and they love to stay toward the top, i will show you some pics. good luck man!! |
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| 09/30/08 09:25pm |
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Jboogy23 View Profile |
Message To: Jboogy23 In reference to Message Id: 1871974 NEED RETF HELP!
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| 09/30/08 09:44pm |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1871817 NEED RETF HELP!
Also if you wrote your post with any indication that you knew what you were doing and gave more information then we wouldn’t need to assume you know nothing. If you had been on this forum for any amount of time you will see how often new people come on and post their "Help!!! Urgent!!!" posts that ask basic, common frog knowledge questions. BTW if you are going to continue to keep him in that 10 gal it should be at least turned on end. They like to be up high and with substrate and everything the 12" gets really short. (Actually if you can score a 20Long and put it on end that would be great. |
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| 09/30/08 11:38pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1872108 NEED RETF HELP!
What happened to the other 12 frogs? Without questions there is no way of determining the health of the frog or its habitat.... With frogs health and habitat go hand in hand... LIke what doctors would ask you if you took a baby in for a visit.... In your situation it sounds like all is normal behavior but for instance; Say you had been putting in crix and all he did was sleep constantly and never eat then health issues would be in question. It really would be to your own benefit and your frogs to answer all the questions even if your answers are wrong. You can only gain correct information and noone is judging you its simply advice for the best owner you can be... D3.... Without vitamin D3 the frog would be unable to absorb calcium to its fullest... It helps in the metabolism of calcium... Builds strong bones and shells in turtles etc.... Without D3 bones would become weak. There is also a connection now with cancer in humans so its also thought in herps that it can help strengthen immunity to illnesses.... HOPPY |
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| 10/01/08 06:48am |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1872195 NEED RETF HELP!
Jboogy, I’m glad you understand. Unlike Rrrragdoll, you acted friendly and helpful, and at the same time you helped me understand more about frogs. I respect that. YOU ROCK! Froggy&gribbit, Hoppy, rather than assuming I was dumb, you just asked simple questions, I can understand that. Sorry about the short first post, but If you start of with a big post it tends to scare people away and they never read it, no offense. The other twelve frogs can be read about in my profile. For three of them, it’s a rather tragic story. A colony of ants got inside my tank and killed all my frogs. I’ve been on edge ever since. -Greenfrog |
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| 10/01/08 01:35pm |
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ConnersMom View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1872108 NEED RETF HELP!
He never said he was waking his frogs to feed them. I know for a fact that he has kept 12 frogs and he does know what he is doing. He was just worried about the over sleeping. From Conner’s Mom |
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| 10/01/08 01:50pm |
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ConnersMom View Profile |
Message To: ConnersMom In reference to Message Id: 1872370 NEED RETF HELP!
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| 10/01/08 09:12pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: ConnersMom In reference to Message Id: 1872370 NEED RETF HELP!
Conners mom:..... Actually the first paragraph of this post is stated " I woke him (the frog) up to feed him".... Whether in error or not this is what was posted for members to use as direction to help... So its understandable that experience would be in question. There really wasn’t alot to go on in the first post for any sort of diagnosis to be made or what help should be advised.... This doesn’t mean that I agree with any impolite responses or all advice given.. I’m only stating that my impression was one of ’new owner’ also.... I only write this as misunderstandings are easily made when faces of persons are unknown... It should be remembered that members post with good intentions for the most part and hopefully feelings can be left unhurt.... GREENFROG: Sorry about the ants that would be awful..... Are the other frogs ok as your profile doesn’t say and no photos show to see what your previous tanks were like? Or better still if you have pics of this new tank and frog... It would help us insure your keeping is correct.. HOPPY |
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| 10/02/08 08:27am |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1873013 NEED RETF HELP!
Now, as for the tank; he is in a ten gall, he has loads of fake plants for hiding on, a small [not to small!] water dish filled with spring water thats changed daily, lots of smooth vines and sticks, two temp/humidity gauges, a lid [DUH] with a light fixture on top. the temp gauge reads the same temps as recommend on amphibiancare.com, a large rain forest background that covers three sides of the tank, 4 plastic leaves roughly 15’’ long, and a large plastic cobra!!! Ok, sorry, that was a joke, no plastic cobra, but every thing else is entirely true! lol. Anymore questions? -Greenfrog |
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| 10/02/08 01:58pm |
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Whitie View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1873136 NEED RETF HELP!
How long are the lights on during the day? |
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| 10/02/08 06:55pm |
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Jboogy23 View Profile |
Message To: Whitie In reference to Message Id: 1873353 NEED RETF HELP!
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| 10/02/08 08:08pm |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: ConnersMom In reference to Message Id: 1872370 NEED RETF HELP!
It was the original post that needed to know "ANYTHING that can help". To also have kept 12 frogs and not known anything about calcium/D3 connection? I’m not going to apologize for assuming that you knew nothing, that is what you provided. Also it takes very little effort to do a Google search to at least get a background on the information you are seeking. I couldn’t imagine, being a student myself, and just going to a web forum and excitedly stating that I needed ANYTHING that can help me, not having looked for the answers myself. I would rather do my research and then clarify anything as needed, but that’s just me. |
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| 10/03/08 12:02am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1873136 NEED RETF HELP!
Does he seem lethargic still? Or any other concerns... It sounded to me like members had settled the issue and that his behavior is normal at least for one night or two after reviewing this post. If he is sleeping all the time then there is other issues and his health could be compromised.. HOPPY |
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| 10/03/08 10:47am |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1873802 NEED RETF HELP!
To Hoppy; I’ve had him [the frog] since febuary 24, 2008. To Whitie; the light is on at day and off at night. -Greenfrog |
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| 10/03/08 01:41pm |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1873904 NEED RETF HELP!
-Greenfrog |
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| 10/03/08 01:46pm |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1873906 NEED RETF HELP!
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| 10/06/08 05:31pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1876144 NEED RETF HELP!
Just some advice.... I wouldn’t move your frog for now..... Most frogs don’t handle change very well... In the wild they keep a certain area as their own for breeding and food etc.... So moving will cause stress. On a weakened frog this could make him terribly ill.... I would get your new tank ready and temps and humidity etc in line first. Allow another 30 days or so till your comfortable with his behavior before risking a move. Once moved you don’t want to be tearing a tank apart to clean it for sterile reasons etc... So be sure ok? Insure he is eating and acting normally and his color is good... His waste firm etc.. If you have any questions please ask.... Don’t let a dissagreement stop you from getting the proper information... Not everyone will get along or agree on things.. HOPPY |
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| 10/07/08 06:42am |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1876517 NEED RETF HELP!
bought $33.50 total on new tank stuff, and when I’m done, part of the tank will look like his old tank, and surrounding it will be more climbing space. I’m mainly doing this because the other day, he was pushing his nose against the lid, like he wanted to go higher. Actually, I was planing on leaving the old tank together, just incase. Thanks for the help! Do you still know of any problems that might happen? The herp-books don’t tell you how to move tanks, If you know what I mean! -Greenfrog |
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| 10/07/08 09:09am |
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Rrrragdoll View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1876548 NEED RETF HELP!
Only if that is met do you move your frog. It may be a bit of work at this time of year due to most of us now switching back to heating our homes which everyone knows decreases, abruptly, the humidity. If you have met those then you can move him and I would do so when he is already awake, simply scoot him into a deli cup and move him into the new tank and leave him be. Keep the tank front and sides covered for a couple weeks to give him time to acclimate. There are tank setups on the amphibiancare website with all kinds of info on setting up including placement of gauges. |
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| 10/07/08 11:45pm |
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Greenfrog View Profile |
Message To: Rrrragdoll In reference to Message Id: 1876960 NEED RETF HELP!
my home’s heat for another month or two. -Greenfrog |
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| 10/09/08 01:17pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Greenfrog In reference to Message Id: 1877728 NEED RETF HELP!
A tank for delicate species which Red eyes are considered should be run for a month before inhabitants are added to any permenant home/tank.. There are several reasons for this.... First its impossible to get temp readings on a daily basis if only 24hrs is used. The range of temps in a tank will vary upon day and lighting and house temps etc... You also mentioned your house heat isn’t on yet which in turn would also change your tank temps from needing possibly smaller bulbs etc... Another reason is lighting from windows.... you need more than 24hrs to see if light is correct and that no sunlight on different days of sun can accidently warm up your tank... If sunlight hits the tank overheating will occur.. Tanks should be either far enough away from south windows or near north windows without being right in front... Another is humidity.... All tanks have ups and down with humidity due to A/C or heat or no heat etc and tank heating... It takes days to insure your humidity stays within range over a period of time.. Reds are very touchy with humdity. More than most people think. Another reason is water containers etc..... This allows to see if access to dishes is fine for changing and that no crickets or frogs escape upon changes or that risk of frogs getting squished upon changes... Another is plants...Generally for Red eyes its reccomended to have a planted tank.... Plants need a good month to get roots to adjust and sunlight changes by flourescents etc to insure you don’t have to replant or plants die etc.... Tank arrangements take time to sort out so they can function with minimal interaction from humans. They should be able to run for 3 days without anything from us. This is to allow weekends away or emergencies. More delicate species of frogs cannot take up and downs or fluctuations of heat and humidity on going. Though a frog may seem fine they mask any signs of stress or illness until its impossible to do so.... Also many owners play around with deco so that they can insure they see the frogs they may move deco or add more vines or plants or attach shelves etc to insure the frogs will be seen once in.... This is not something you should do once frogs are added... There is also issues of feeder insects escaping which in some cases must be sorted out to find openings or block them as the case may be... Even exo terra tanks with excellent thought of materials allow crix to accidently escape through wire holes on top and some have found through the front yet these tanks are considered cricket escape proof.. There really is alot to be thought out. In your case it would be wise to insure first your frog is perfectly healthy and second that you yourself are comfortable with his behavior. In other words so you know him. The idea of knowing your frog could save his life later and ease your mind too.... Once in the big tank its much harder to observe the behavior with these shy frogs (some that is).... Its also good to figure out if you have a female or male before putting in a permenant tank. This allows easier additions of sexes later.... It also allows view of waste for confirmation of health in a smaller temp tank... Frogs do not like change so this too must be considered.... I only move frogs after a good 3 months in one location though 30 days is acceptable.... If you think what you go through moving neighborhoods perhaps or even city or state etc... This is no different for our froggie friends... So as you can see there is much that should be considered...don’t forget timers to insure they work properly.... I could go on and on..lol But I think I said enough..lol HOPPY |
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| 10/09/08 08:11pm |
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