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Nico90 View Profile |
Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Ok thanks alot, Nico
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| 10/05/08 07:42pm |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1875622 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
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| 10/05/08 07:44pm |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1875625 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
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| 10/06/08 03:13am |
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Froggy&Gribbit View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1875622 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
If this is the case that could very well be the problem. These guys are treefrogs not aquatic frogs. They like to get in water to soak and breed obviously but it is never deep water, usually seasonal ponds. They are likely too stressed to breed. There is also no cover for them from what I could see. No leafy areas or branches for them to climb on or hide in. This would also increase their stress levels and make them less likely to breed. I have never bred them but it is said to be quite difficult. Which to me seems strange as where I grew up SE QLD it seems they bred every where!!!! Not only do you have to provide a rainy season but also a winter season. Where the frogs go dormant like in the wild. Some will actually hibernate others almost and then you provide, spring, your rainy season. Which is when they breed. Just some ideas. To tell male form female:- the males croak the females do not. The females only croak to give much quieter replies to the males. When ready to breed the males will get nuptial pads on their front feet, darker pads that are for gripping the female. |
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| 10/06/08 11:22am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Froggy&Gribbit In reference to Message Id: 1875931 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Do you think if I added two more males they would breed because i could easily get two more because my friend has got two males? thanks alot for the reply |
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| 10/07/08 03:01am |
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Riley james View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1876496 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
You didnt mention whether or not you cycled your frogs??????? If you havent done this the chances are your female has not produced eggs therefor would not be interested in amplexus. To cyle them you need to reduce daylight hours, food and temp in their tank (trying to replicate a winter season) depending on what part of Aus your in as to how much you have to interfer in the cycling process. I am in Victoria so for me I have to totally replicate the northern winter as it is so different to the southern Victorian winter eg, its our wet season where queenslands wet is a totally different time. Having said that I tried to cycle my guys this winter and all seemed to being going well, until (LOL)(PMSL) it sort of turned out all my frogs are MALE (and I was sure I had a female) but at least I know I can cycle my males and get them into breeding condition pity they all ready for some action and no where to take it LOL. So what can I say umm it kind of put a spanner in the works. Cheers Janet  |
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| 10/07/08 06:34am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Riley james In reference to Message Id: 1876515 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Seasons is definately one problem I could also see from your post.... Many breeders hibernate their frogs for breeding purposes. I will warn you ahead of time that it risks the frogs. They should have a good amount of fat stores... There is always a risk of losing them though so be aware of this... Another reason is those that breed seem to have success with many frogs.... not just a small group. At least this is what I have noticed. In the wild many breed at the same time of year so it would be like a frenzy....They need a rainy season to get them all going... It would help seeing your whole set up... A water system is a must like filtration but still water. Temps of water could be too high.... Spring water is generally quite cool so I would double check average water temps in a pond (being in their native country).... I would think more around 72f to 75f... They require a huge amount of water area like a kids pool to get them to breed... As they lay 1500 to 3000 eggs thats a lot of tads. The parents will only breed if their envioronment allows the growth of their young.... HOPPY |
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| 10/07/08 06:58am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1876521 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
P.S. I would take a picture of the whole set up Hoppy, but its night time and their croaking like crazy and I dont wanna disturb them. Cya |
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| 10/08/08 05:36am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1877022 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
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| 10/08/08 05:50am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1877022 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Thanks for the link.... Basically its what I and others have said.... seasons... more frogs...etc.... The breeder is Aus who didn’t cycle his frogs may of meant he did it naturally to the temps of the area etc.. Frogs wild instincts have to come into play.... I would think he means you don’t have to do so intentionally but rather follow your own seasons which cool on their own and frogs left in an outside system like a shed set up or sun room or barn will fall into cycling themselves..... Though a rain season in spring would have to be allowed either by top vent or faked... Other frogs should never be introduced without a quarantine period.... the introduction should also of been done in neutral territory. The risk you have taken is illness by other parasites and bacteria entering your chamber and infecting all your colony... Any new frogs should always be quarantined for health reasons first and foremost then the breeding rights second.... 30 days no less and by this it means eating and waste and actions correct as some don’t eat etc for several days upon moving so its taken once eating commences.. The dominant male would have breeding rights. Putting a new male in the chamber is a definate risk to your hiarchy and peacefulness of your tankmates and that many males to one female is unfair and would cause high stress.. You must remember that in captivity they have no place to run so a stressed female would likely die in the process if bullied by too many males or by no introduction.. Its the females that choose mating partner... Females pick mates by their sound but each males establish a spot ideal for food and breeding. This you have broken by adding the other males.. In most breeding colonies a pair will be seen constantly together or near each other and when season is correct will breed. It has been known now in Australia that a new breed of frog has been found as the females decided not to breed with other lineage but only ones from thier own lineage meaning it changed the course of generations to come.... This was unheard of until a couple of years ago upon finding this new species of frog.. ........................................................Article for your info: ScienceDaily (Oct. 28, 2005) — Picky female frogs in a tiny rainforest outpost of Australia have driven the evolution of a new species in 8,000 years or less, according to scientists from the University of Queensland, the University of California, Berkeley, and the Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service .............................................................. My suggestion to you for now would be to quarantine them. I would also forgo any breeding ideals until further set up needs are done.... All must be in order first before you risk the process.... Also just so you know.... The female usually goes dormant near her ideal mate so as soon as the rains hit they are together... So cycling your males is a must for her to choose as season gets cooler whom she will reside beside.... Cycling usually starts in Dec for some breeder of whites with waking in Feb... It takes around 3 weeks to get cycling down to no food etc.... It really would be well worth looking into a really good book on the subject... HOPPY |
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| 10/08/08 08:52am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1877048 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
thanks alot, Cya |
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| 10/09/08 03:52am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1877570 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Insure if you do try to fatten up the females... Many breeders use feeder pinky mice for females to insure fat stores. I would get frozen then dethaw if you do to reduce parasite loads... Some feed before cycling them and some right after.... Males its not as risky but I would do all... I can only imagine how upset I would be to lose any in a small group... Just so you know too... I don’t know any breeder that hasn’t lost one or some of his breeding stock..reasons unknown.. whether fat stores or just too cold etc.. This is one area for you its in your advantage if you can use your area temps etc.... So fat stores would be your main concern..... Oh age/experience is another..... Success seems to be after age 2 for all frogs in groups... If possible an experienced female from a breeder would be worth buying (one that has been cycled before and sucessful in producing). Some captive bred frogs take heed from an older female..... You could try an older dominant male. Many species of amphibians and animals as well follow older generations or learn from.... food for thought.. Keep us all posted on your progress and of course we all love to see pics of the frogs.... Good luck... Glad the information is helpful..anytime. HOPPY |
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| 10/09/08 06:28am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1877600 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
thanks again you’ve been very helpful, Cya |
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| 10/10/08 04:06am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Nico90 In reference to Message Id: 1878081 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Males are the dominant but over other males... Who can croak the loudest and has the best spot..lol The female usually picks this male but not always to breed with... As I put in that article they can see things we as humans can’t. Like that case with genes instead those females picked those from their lines for better lineage... If a few females are present you may see a more aggressive female but in Whites its not as common... Yes would love to see pics!.. HOPPY |
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| 10/10/08 09:47am |
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Nico90 View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1878164 Trying to breed my whites (Im new here and im from australia)
Will deffinately post pics then so keep a look out, Thanks again, Cya |
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| 10/10/08 09:22pm |
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